Those are totally valid criticisms of him because they are incarnate.

I'm not critical of that. I'm critical of the level of it.....the sheer hatred for Trump is tea party like. I mean that, 'we go high, when they go low'....I mean, it's laughable now to think of that.

I like how Bernie Sanders deals with Trump...like an adult.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Typical unprofessional cringe from Trump.

I don't know about how she handled it or who she is.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2017 7.51pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Now that's just amusing....unprofessional....but amusing.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Don't worry, I'll hand you the mirror.

Trump's behavior is rightly criticised on many, many fronts. My words are appropriate to his actions and position.

Edited by wordup (13 Dec 2017 8.56pm)

I emphasized private sector job growth, because it has little to do with public sector - i.e. government - borrowing/spending. So your response to point #1 is nonsense. Strike one.

(As an aside, the Trump and Republicans are working on a tax bill that will increase the deficit by 1.5 TRILLION dollars in 10 years. So, fiscal responsibility...right?)

Obama's job growth came about after inheriting an economy that was shedding a half-a-million jobs a month. A MONTH! Saying that his performance on jobs is just the afterglow of a boom is complete and utter nonsense. The only boom Obama inherited was the sound of the economy imploding. Strike two.

Low interest rates help the middle class, because it keeps down the cost of mortgages and credit card debt etc. They also help private business borrow funds for capital investments which create jobs. Strike three. [Link]

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

This idea that Trump keeps blurting out any old s*** and those who oppose people acting this way - and it doesn't fall along left, right lines.. it falls along decency lines - should just rise above it all or not respond is laughable really. People are right to highlight what a ludicrous moment we're in and there is a reason that Trump's approval ratings even in places like Alabama are going in one direction only. Troll in chief.

I worry about the impact this stuff has on children. No doubt that will get laughed at by the same people who gasp in horror the moment anything 'progressive' comes on screen - aka a man wearing an earring, or a mixed race couple. But it is a concern.

And it's easy for people to brush off stuff Trump comes out with, but there are clear examples that essentially may well end up in obstruction of justice territory. Roy Moore losing may be a turning point. Trump threw his weight behind someone who appears to be even more morally bankrupt than he is, but even in a ruby red state like Alabama, people have their limits. That is a healthy sign.

Edited by wordup (13 Dec 2017 9.37pm)

Exactly, and it just leads to essentially poor people attacking other kinds of poor people in both directions. Real change is seen as a lost cause I fear. Bernie Sanders likely was an opportunity to at least get the right kind of person in the job, but the DNC put pay to that. Anything that upsets the status quo cannot be allowed under any circumstances. Some thought Trump was that man, seemingly forgetting that he literally sits on a golden throne and doesn't give two s***s about poor people. His tweets are his gift to the masses, his medicine for the malady. His actions though are that of a crass, self interested and rich individual helping himself and his mega rich pals. Same ol' same ol'.

Edited by wordup (13 Dec 2017 10.11pm)

I am totally aware of how the middle class fuels the economy, which is why the proposed tax bill is such a travesty. It will kill demand, which will kill jobs and kill the economy. The deficit - and therefore the debt - will balloon, and we'll be left trying to salvage something from the wreckage of an economy that is stagnant.

When the US built its previously humongous middle class - that fuelled a booming economy - the top rate of tax was 85%. It wasn't a coincidence.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

Please explain how calling someone 'Pocahontas' is racist. It will reveal the workings of your....'formally conservative' but now progressive mind.

I haven't refused to answer a question. How on earth am I'm expected to know about every situation where Trump gets involved in silly name calling?

I cited Sanders as an opponent who doesn't buy into the 'hate' opposition to Trump. I have no doubt that there are others.

What I am referring to and criticising are those that use language that far exceeds normal discourse on Trump.

Those who complain about Trump but are a bit of Trump themselves. or often in excess....Hypocrisy.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2017 11.49pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)