Bias against Trump
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 Stirlingsays  27 Oct 17 8.52pm |
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Originally posted by crystal balls
But it’s clearly not a ‘half truth’ or anything like it! The ‘story’ that Breits***e put out was that H Clinton ‘sold’ 20% of the US uranium stocks to Russia. That is how Breits***e reported it on their website, which was repeated by numerous other right wing sites. I'm not saying Trump's objective. Where did you get your information on the deal then?
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| crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 27 Oct 17 9.12pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'm not saying Trump's objective. Where did you get your information on the deal then? It's got nothing to do with Trump's objective; he's just a reality game show host who's accidentally got to be President and is running with it. He never believed he'd win! This is about Robert Mercer and his stooge from Brietbart, Steve Bannon. All this is available information. Mercer owns the most successful hedge fund of all time, he has more money than just about anyone, and wants to turn the US into a cleptocracy like Russia. He wants power without responsibility or the interference of an electorate, just like Putin. Look up Carl Icahn, another of Trump's "special advisers" or Stephen Miller; these guys have all been brought into the fold and have been found wanting, for whatever reason, and booted out. Trump hasn't been treated with bias, he hasn't yet been treated for what he is. A fool.
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| legaleagle 27 Oct 17 9.29pm |
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A dangerous fool, mind you...
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 27 Oct 17 9.38pm |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
A dangerous fool, mind you... How so?
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| crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 27 Oct 17 9.41pm |
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Originally posted by legaleagle
A dangerous fool, mind you... Yes, but the military will never let him hear the button, thankfully! The only damage he can realistically achieve is to make America impose trade barriers. That'll f*** their economy. And ours, if we leave the EU and Trump is still in nominal charge of the US then good luck with securing a favourable trade deal Dr Fox; we're f*xed.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 27 Oct 17 9.43pm |
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Originally posted by crystal balls
Yes, but the military will never let him hear the button, thankfully! The only damage he can realistically achieve is to make America impose trade barriers. That'll f*** their economy. And ours, if we leave the EU and Trump is still in nominal charge of the US then good luck with securing a favourable trade deal Dr Fox; we're f*xed. And you'll savour every moment!
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| crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 27 Oct 17 10.38pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
And you'll savour every moment! On the contrary; I’m hoping to retire within the next six or seven years; if the economy in the UK suffers over that period so do I, big time. My personal circumstances wish that we do have a strong and stable economy; my fear is that we won’t, and the signs are not good!
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| .TUX. 27 Oct 17 10.43pm |
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Originally posted by crystal balls
Yes, but the military will never let him hear the button, thankfully! The only damage he can realistically achieve is to make America impose trade barriers. That'll f*** their economy. And ours, if we leave the EU and Trump is still in nominal charge of the US then good luck with securing a favourable trade deal Dr Fox; we're f*xed. Their economy is already f***ed. And as for Trump. or any POTUS for that matter, it's not their decision alone so sleep easy.
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| Stirlingsays 28 Oct 17 1.57am |
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Originally posted by crystal balls
It's got nothing to do with Trump's objective; he's just a reality game show host who's accidentally got to be President and is running with it. He never believed he'd win! This is about Robert Mercer and his stooge from Brietbart, Steve Bannon. All this is available information. Mercer owns the most successful hedge fund of all time, he has more money than just about anyone, and wants to turn the US into a cleptocracy like Russia. He wants power without responsibility or the interference of an electorate, just like Putin. Look up Carl Icahn, another of Trump's "special advisers" or Stephen Miller; these guys have all been brought into the fold and have been found wanting, for whatever reason, and booted out. Trump hasn't been treated with bias, he hasn't yet been treated for what he is. A fool. You complain about a Breitbart story, complaining about its bias....It's very plain you don't like Trump and his governance...got that. I'm sure I could complain and agree with certain things too. You present a different narrative for these events....again fair enough......I ask where did you get this from? You don't tell me. You just tell me to 'look up' stuff on people you don't like. I'm more interested in finding out the objective interpretations of this stuff rather than having to read all the usual 'I hate Trump' stuff. Where did you get the narrative you put forward over this Clinton/Russia story? Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Oct 2017 3.02am)
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 28 Oct 17 4.11pm |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
One story is about a campaign that hired a political research firm who hired an independent contractor to research their opponent. The other is about the President's son, son-in-law and campaign chairman taking a meeting with Russian spies because they were promised dirt on their opponent that came from a foreign government which was part of that foreign government's aid to the President. All of which was spelled out in the initial email to Trump Jr. Ignoring the broader aspects of the astonishing potential for Russian influence/interference/blackmail, the bottom line is that one is S.O.P. for all candidates while the other is specifically a crime under US election laws. If nothing else, that's why one is newsworthy and the other not. Edited by Ray in Houston (27 Oct 2017 8.14pm) You have this totally wrong! Don Junior met a Russian civilian for dirt on Hillary, got nothing and paid nothing. Gleefully reported by every news outlet. Meanwhile, Hillary has blamed her defeat in the election on Russia interference in dozens of interviews since Trump won. Widely reported by every news outlet. Now it emerges that Hillary and the DNC paid millions of dollars to a foreign government in Russia for dirt on Trump and got a dossier. Huge difference here. Treason anyone? This story has been buried by the media. All the while the media, over almost a year, have been pushing Hillary's narrative that Trump won the election because he colluded with the Russians. No evidence has been found for this, yet the anti-Trump media is happy to go along with the DNC and Hillary's story. After trying to put Trump in bed with the Russians, the finger now points at her. Rather ironic.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 30 Oct 17 11.42am |
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Originally posted by crystal balls
On the contrary; I’m hoping to retire within the next six or seven years; if the economy in the UK suffers over that period so do I, big time. My personal circumstances wish that we do have a strong and stable economy; my fear is that we won’t, and the signs are not good! Unfortunately, its very likely too, it would be expected that Brexit will in a best case scenario cause short terms economic damage to the UK (as market investors will hedge their bets when it comes to change to cover their risks). Plus it with about half a million migrants living in the UK, mostly in rented accommodation - if they leave - that could cripple the UK housing market (and a lot of investments are tied up in property).
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 30 Oct 17 11.48am |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Well I wouldn't write that off, given that there have been grand juries convened and the FBI are investigating quite a few people. Its a bit more serious than 'buying a dossier' because its clearly established that a) there are links between Trump's election campaign party / confidants are Russian agents b) That Russian hackers were complicit in cyber attacks and social media targeting in favour of Trump c) that members of Trumps election team and supporters have lied about connections with Russia. But if the Clintons have committed similar breaches, then they should also be held accountable. That they are alleged to have bought a dossier deserves investigation - And the FBI were investigating Hilary at the time of the election and were happy to announce that they were may have cost her the election. Of course Trump might be clear, he might not have been involved, but it does seem clearly that there were very questionable connections between Russian 'Diplomats' (aka Spies) and Trumps inner circle.
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