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jamiemartin721 Reading 09 May 16 3.07pm
Originally posted by Willo According to them, the end of the world is nigh and there will an immediate cessation of trade with the EU if we leave !!!! In the name of balance, it won't also be the case that the UK will be overrun with tides of migrants and refugees whilst under the political yolk of the EU jack boot either, if it remains. Hyperbole, on any side, cheapens the whole thing to a charade. I'm starting to think neither side actually has a valid argument, and that maybe they just have an agenda. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 09 May 16 3.07pm

Originally posted by Willo

According to them, the end of the world is nigh and there will an immediate cessation of trade with the EU if we leave !!!!

In the name of balance, it won't also be the case that the UK will be overrun with tides of migrants and refugees whilst under the political yolk of the EU jack boot either, if it remains.

Hyperbole, on any side, cheapens the whole thing to a charade. I'm starting to think neither side actually has a valid argument, and that maybe they just have an agenda.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 09 May 16 3.08pm
Originally posted by BelfastEagle If we leave it's possible to plunge Europe into WW3 , the four horsemen will appear and it will be end of days. The reality is dull, stay or leave, it won't actually make very much difference at all. Life will go on, things will stay the same, and profits will be maintained. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 09 May 16 3.08pm

Originally posted by BelfastEagle

If we leave it's possible to plunge Europe into WW3 , the four horsemen will appear and it will be end of days.

The reality is dull, stay or leave, it won't actually make very much difference at all. Life will go on, things will stay the same, and profits will be maintained.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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corkery Cork City 09 May 16 10.10pm
All joking aside there was Iraq and Afghanistan whilst the UK was in the EU. We'll never die

corkery

Cork City 09 May 16 10.10pm

All joking aside there was Iraq and Afghanistan whilst the UK was in the EU.

We'll never die

Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 09 May 16 10.52pm
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Jimenez

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johnfirewall 09 May 16 10.54pm
It's more about peace within the EU but the Germans have learnt their lesson.

johnfirewall

09 May 16 10.54pm

It's more about peace within the EU but the Germans have learnt their lesson.

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 09 May 16 11.08pm
Originally posted by JohnyBoy Or perhaps danny, davemonkey, willo and cucking are softening towards the remain campaign? Absolutely not, old fruit. Furthermore, I'm all for reclaiming the Empire, too. To quote the great Winston: We are with Europe, but not of it. We are linked but not combined. We are interested and associated but not absorbed. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 09 May 16 11.08pm

Originally posted by JohnyBoy

Or perhaps danny, davemonkey, willo and cucking are softening towards the remain campaign?

Absolutely not, old fruit. Furthermore, I'm all for reclaiming the Empire, too.

To quote the great Winston:

We are with Europe, but not of it. We are linked but not combined. We are interested and associated but not absorbed.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

jamiemartin721 Reading 10 May 16 10.06am
Originally posted by Jimenez Norway . Which is what we will become. The European Trade Association, which means pretty much belonging to the EU in all but name. In fact, the UK would be worse off if it went down this route. It would retain Free movement, EU trade obligations and be subject to much of the EU legislation, without the veto and will less capacity to influence the out come of EU decisions. It'd reduce our financial contribution, but then also reduce our capacity to EU grants and subsidies as well. Realistically, the UK either needs to remain in, or completely out, so it can negotiate its relationship with the EU as an independent (the idea of the UK being completely separate from Europe isn't realistic - We have ties that predate the EU and our proximity means having to deal with the EU and EU influence, as an outsider. The situation of Norway arguably delivers a lot more feeling of national sovereignty, but not the reality. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 10 May 16 10.06am

Originally posted by Jimenez

Norway

Which is what we will become. The European Trade Association, which means pretty much belonging to the EU in all but name.

In fact, the UK would be worse off if it went down this route. It would retain Free movement, EU trade obligations and be subject to much of the EU legislation, without the veto and will less capacity to influence the out come of EU decisions. It'd reduce our financial contribution, but then also reduce our capacity to EU grants and subsidies as well.

Realistically, the UK either needs to remain in, or completely out, so it can negotiate its relationship with the EU as an independent (the idea of the UK being completely separate from Europe isn't realistic - We have ties that predate the EU and our proximity means having to deal with the EU and EU influence, as an outsider.

The situation of Norway arguably delivers a lot more feeling of national sovereignty, but not the reality.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 10 May 16 10.09am
Originally posted by Cucking Funt Absolutely not, old fruit. Furthermore, I'm all for reclaiming the Empire, too. To quote the great Winston: We are with Europe, but not of it. We are linked but not combined. We are interested and associated but not absorbed. Which for me, describes what the EU should be about, the idea of drawing nations closer and forging links (such as shared technology projects etc) and providing resolution for problems and issues that cannot be resolved nationally. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 10 May 16 10.09am

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Absolutely not, old fruit. Furthermore, I'm all for reclaiming the Empire, too.

To quote the great Winston:

We are with Europe, but not of it. We are linked but not combined. We are interested and associated but not absorbed.

Which for me, describes what the EU should be about, the idea of drawing nations closer and forging links (such as shared technology projects etc) and providing resolution for problems and issues that cannot be resolved nationally.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

Hoof Hearted 10 May 16 10.21am
Originally posted by JohnyBoy Ah it was such a splendid sunday afternoon enjoying the sunshine with Hoof. We know we are just footsoldiers for our respective causes so things could remain cordial for one day only. I explained to him that doing an economics degree wasnt entirely useless and indeed i learned some valuable life skills, like pool sharking, lighting farts and being able to drink a pint of bitter in 2.5 seconds. Hoof nodded in approval. I also commented that i didnt receive one bet for my compelling offer of 50 lap dances if any of his regiment could say that 99% of their DAY TO DAY legal stuff is not covered by uk law, but not even a single punt even from the more vocal members of the regiment including cucking, davemonkey, willo and Dannyh. "Them blo$dy english! Just cant rely on em" He hoofed. "You cant say THAT, i protested, thats bigoted" to which he replied "dont be a t*** johnyboy" er ok then but does this mean that there is a possibility you will become a Brighton supporter? Or perhaps danny, davemonkey, willo and cucking are softening towards the remain campaign? Hoof remained eerily silent. We knew however that the sunny sunday could not last and that we had to return to our trenches the next day when talk of war would no doubt reemerge because some of us truly believe that the eu, with trade inderdependency, diplomacy and a shared economically prosperous future has led to the longest period of european peacetime - 80 YEARS! the longest of the last millenia (i accept i will be corrected on this one). As i left i understood that Hoof would be trying to get me in a half nelson, or beating seven bells of cyber stuffing out of me the next, "its all for King and country, you understand Johnyboy" hoof called out. "Yeh i understand hoof" i shrugged resigned to the knowledge that even with the impending threat of war announced by HIS prime-minister this morning, the real threat of Brexit still exists Hahaha... very amusing Johnny.... I like it mate. I've portrayed an image on here that you have captured exactly.... bravo sir! X

Hoof Hearted 10 May 16 10.21am

Originally posted by JohnyBoy

Ah it was such a splendid sunday afternoon enjoying the sunshine with Hoof. We know we are just footsoldiers for our respective causes so things could remain cordial for one day only. I explained to him that doing an economics degree wasnt entirely useless and indeed i learned some valuable life skills, like pool sharking, lighting farts and being able to drink a pint of bitter in 2.5 seconds. Hoof nodded in approval. I also commented that i didnt receive one bet for my compelling offer of 50 lap dances if any of his regiment could say that 99% of their DAY TO DAY legal stuff is not covered by uk law, but not even a single punt even from the more vocal members of the regiment including cucking, davemonkey, willo and Dannyh. "Them blo$dy english! Just cant rely on em" He hoofed. "You cant say THAT, i protested, thats bigoted" to which he replied "dont be a t*** johnyboy" er ok then but does this mean that there is a possibility you will become a Brighton supporter? Or perhaps danny, davemonkey, willo and cucking are softening towards the remain campaign? Hoof remained eerily silent.
We knew however that the sunny sunday could not last and that we had to return to our trenches the next day when talk of war would no doubt reemerge because some of us truly believe that the eu, with trade inderdependency, diplomacy and a shared economically prosperous future has led to the longest period of european peacetime - 80 YEARS! the longest of the last millenia (i accept i will be corrected on this one). As i left i understood that Hoof would be trying to get me in a half nelson, or beating seven bells of cyber stuffing out of me the next, "its all for King and country, you understand Johnyboy" hoof called out. "Yeh i understand hoof" i shrugged resigned to the knowledge that even with the impending threat of war announced by HIS prime-minister this morning, the real threat of Brexit still exists

Hahaha... very amusing Johnny.... I like it mate.

I've portrayed an image on here that you have captured exactly.... bravo sir!

Hoof Hearted 10 May 16 10.27am
Typical Cameron bluster/lies......... [Link] IDS reveals Cameron's weak strategy in "reforming" the EU as he promised the nation he would, never got off the ground cos he's too scared of Frau Merkel. As usual when he's caught with his pants down, he immediately refutes the allegation. I'm betting on him confirming it's all true by at least the weekend. Oh and this news not resulting in a rise in the polls for Corbyn.

Hoof Hearted 10 May 16 10.27am

Typical Cameron bluster/lies.........

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IDS reveals Cameron's weak strategy in "reforming" the EU as he promised the nation he would, never got off the ground cos he's too scared of Frau Merkel.

As usual when he's caught with his pants down, he immediately refutes the allegation.

I'm betting on him confirming it's all true by at least the weekend.

Oh and this news not resulting in a rise in the polls for Corbyn.

Kermit8 Hevon 10 May 16 11.06am
Latest YouGov poll has 42% - remain, 40% - leave, 13% don't know and 5% who didn't understand the question. A lot closer than I thought it would be as it stands. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 10 May 16 11.06am

Latest YouGov poll has 42% - remain, 40% - leave, 13% don't know and 5% who didn't understand the question.

A lot closer than I thought it would be as it stands.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Hoof Hearted 10 May 16 11.13am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Latest YouGov poll has 42% - remain, 40% - leave, 13% don't know and 5% who didn't understand the question. A lot closer than I thought it would be as it stands. It'll get closer the nearer we get to D Day too. Cameron's strategy of scaremongering is losing traction now and today's revelation by IDS is probably just the tip of the iceberg... there will be more to come.

Hoof Hearted 10 May 16 11.13am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Latest YouGov poll has 42% - remain, 40% - leave, 13% don't know and 5% who didn't understand the question.

A lot closer than I thought it would be as it stands.

It'll get closer the nearer we get to D Day too.

Cameron's strategy of scaremongering is losing traction now and today's revelation by IDS is probably just the tip of the iceberg... there will be more to come.

DanH SW2 10 May 16 11.21am
The remain campaign from the government is starting to look as bad as Goldsmith's.

DanH

SW2 10 May 16 11.21am

The remain campaign from the government is starting to look as bad as Goldsmith's.

Kermit8 Hevon 10 May 16 11.21am
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted It'll get closer the nearer we get to D Day too. Cameron's strategy of scaremongering is losing traction now and today's revelation by IDS is probably just the tip of the iceberg... there will be more to come. I don't think he has been scaremongering but just highlighting the very possible downfalls of leaving which, in turn, has been been seized upon by the 'Vote Leave' lot as putting the willies up us. They have to take that stance as not to would be admitting he may have a point and that can't happen. He has to put the info out there and ex-Nato heads, a majority of business leaders and independent economists and other world leaders would not also be saying basically the same thing if there wasn't something in it. Cameron - double first at Oxford, Prime Minister, is not a stupid man. Far from it. He is looking at the likely immediate effects of a Brexit and sees plenty of negatives as well as the longer term view that we are stronger in. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 10 May 16 11.21am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

It'll get closer the nearer we get to D Day too.

Cameron's strategy of scaremongering is losing traction now and today's revelation by IDS is probably just the tip of the iceberg... there will be more to come.

I don't think he has been scaremongering but just highlighting the very possible downfalls of leaving which, in turn, has been been seized upon by the 'Vote Leave' lot as putting the willies up us. They have to take that stance as not to would be admitting he may have a point and that can't happen.

He has to put the info out there and ex-Nato heads, a majority of business leaders and independent economists and other world leaders would not also be saying basically the same thing if there wasn't something in it.

Cameron - double first at Oxford, Prime Minister, is not a stupid man. Far from it. He is looking at the likely immediate effects of a Brexit and sees plenty of negatives as well as the longer term view that we are stronger in.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

johnfirewall 10 May 16 11.41am
Originally posted by Kermit8 Latest YouGov poll has 42% - remain, 40% - leave, 13% don't know and 5% who didn't understand the question. A lot closer than I thought it would be as it stands. I wonder how many of the 42% are actually basing that on the economic uncertainty and how many are just defending rights of workers and migrants? Of course of the leave camp, a lot are anti-migration but these people see the numbers of EU workers in their professions.

johnfirewall

10 May 16 11.41am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Latest YouGov poll has 42% - remain, 40% - leave, 13% don't know and 5% who didn't understand the question.

A lot closer than I thought it would be as it stands.

I wonder how many of the 42% are actually basing that on the economic uncertainty and how many are just defending rights of workers and migrants?

Of course of the leave camp, a lot are anti-migration but these people see the numbers of EU workers in their professions.

Hoof Hearted 10 May 16 11.47am
Originally posted by Kermit8 I don't think he has been scaremongering but just highlighting the very possible downfalls of leaving which, in turn, has been been seized upon by the 'Vote Leave' lot as putting the willies up us. They have to take that stance as not to would be admitting he may have a point and that can't happen. He has to put the info out there and ex-Nato heads, a majority of business leaders and independent economists and other world leaders would not also be saying basically the same thing if there wasn't something in it. Cameron - double first at Oxford, Prime Minister, is not a stupid man. Far from it. He is looking at the likely immediate effects of a Brexit and sees plenty of negatives as well as the longer term view that we are stronger in. The name's Hunt Kermy.. not C U Next Tuesday. Cameron is playing a game. When the EU demanded a further £1.8M a couple of years ago he was as Eurosceptic as it was possible to be... probably on a par with Corbyn. Now the two are lining up fully behind the Remain campaign because it suits their political agenda, not because they believe in it. You bigging up Cameron is just the same thing Kermy. Outside of this referendum debate you wouldn't have a good word to say about him or Osborne would you? As somebody else said on here recently - it's the "muppets" that will decide it and right now the message that immigration is choking our country to death is resonating with those who are most affected by it. Talk of the economy being stronger doesn't cut it.

Hoof Hearted 10 May 16 11.47am

Originally posted by Kermit8

The name's Hunt Kermy.. not C U Next Tuesday.

Cameron is playing a game.

When the EU demanded a further £1.8M a couple of years ago he was as Eurosceptic as it was possible to be... probably on a par with Corbyn.

Now the two are lining up fully behind the Remain campaign because it suits their political agenda, not because they believe in it.

You bigging up Cameron is just the same thing Kermy. Outside of this referendum debate you wouldn't have a good word to say about him or Osborne would you?

As somebody else said on here recently - it's the "muppets" that will decide it and right now the message that immigration is choking our country to death is resonating with those who are most affected by it.

Talk of the economy being stronger doesn't cut it.

Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 10 May 16 11.54am
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted It'll get closer the nearer we get to D Day too. Cameron's strategy of scaremongering is losing traction now and today's revelation by IDS is probably just the tip of the iceberg... there will be more to come. As Kermit says, I don't think it is scaremongering, the tone of the debates was inevitable Bright new world v scary new world. Personally, as I've said before the campaigns for both this and the local elections have been absolutely woeful. Next referendum should be run by Simon Cowell the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 10 May 16 11.54am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

It'll get closer the nearer we get to D Day too.

Cameron's strategy of scaremongering is losing traction now and today's revelation by IDS is probably just the tip of the iceberg... there will be more to come.

As Kermit says, I don't think it is scaremongering, the tone of the debates was inevitable Bright new world v scary new world.

Personally, as I've said before the campaigns for both this and the local elections have been absolutely woeful. Next referendum should be run by Simon Cowell

the dignified don't even enter in the game

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 10 May 16 12.00pm
Originally posted by DanH The remain campaign from the government is starting to look as bad as Goldsmith's. Hopefully with much the same result. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 10 May 16 12.00pm

Originally posted by DanH

The remain campaign from the government is starting to look as bad as Goldsmith's.

Hopefully with much the same result.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Hoof Hearted 10 May 16 12.14pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt Hopefully with much the same result. It was looking good for remain till they started campaigning in earnest... The £9M spend on a glossy booklet delivered to every household wasn't the best of starts, then inviting Obama over to preach to us! I think Blair, Brown, Major and Corbyn endorsing the remain camp was the final nail for a lot of voters.

Hoof Hearted 10 May 16 12.14pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Hopefully with much the same result.

It was looking good for remain till they started campaigning in earnest...

The £9M spend on a glossy booklet delivered to every household wasn't the best of starts, then inviting Obama over to preach to us!

I think Blair, Brown, Major and Corbyn endorsing the remain camp was the final nail for a lot of voters.

Kermit8 Hevon 10 May 16 12.22pm
After the last election and UKIP vote I reckoned 35%-37% for 'Out' come the referendum. Changing that to 45%. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 10 May 16 12.22pm

After the last election and UKIP vote I reckoned 35%-37% for 'Out' come the referendum. Changing that to 45%.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

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