This page is no longer updated, and is the old forum. For new topics visit the New HOL forum.
The Wan Bissaka thread (LOCKED)
Visit the current forum | Forum Rules
 NEILLO  Shoreham-by-Sea 24 Jun 19 8.25am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by dreamwaverider
Sadly,,we are only finding a diamond about once every five years. If you look at some of the statistics around Academies, then that is not unusual. Extreme example, but Huddersfield Town scrapped their Academy a couple of years ago because only one player in the previous eighteen years had graduated into the first team. Palace are rightly seeking to improve in order to get Category 1 status. There is a pool of talent around South London and we should be their Academy of choice.
Old, Ungifted and White |
|
| ChrisGC Wantage 24 Jun 19 8.56am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by NEILLO
If you look at some of the statistics around Academies, then that is not unusual. Extreme example, but Huddersfield Town scrapped their Academy a couple of years ago because only one player in the previous eighteen years had graduated into the first team. Palace are rightly seeking to improve in order to get Category 1 status. There is a pool of talent around South London and we should be their Academy of choice. Correct. I read we've got the largest catchment area (in terms of population) in Europe. Should be turning up more players, surely?
|
|
| NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 24 Jun 19 9.07am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by ChrisGC
Correct. I read we've got the largest catchment area (in terms of population) in Europe. Should be turning up more players, surely? Getting players into the first team is a huge challenge. You look at some of the players that were thought to look promising at youth level but couldn't cut it in the first team or out on loan - Kai Kai being an example. Rave reviews at development level but my mate that coached him at Brentford didn't rate him at all. It's a real churning process but we have seen the value of what can happen when one makes it through as AWB and Wilf have.
Old, Ungifted and White |
|
| JohnB 24 Jun 19 9.16am |
|
|---|---|
|
Whilst Chelsea tend to just go about ruining youngsters careers, this shows the power of a good academy/recruiting young players early. [Tweet Link] charset="utf-8"></script>
|
|
| Rudi Hedman Caterham 24 Jun 19 9.23am |
|
|---|---|
|
De Bruyne and Salah. Ha ha ha. Even Lukaku.
COYP |
|
| JohnB 24 Jun 19 9.44am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
De Bruyne and Salah. Ha ha ha. Even Lukaku. I personally wouldn't have included them, but De Bruyne still signed for £6.7m and then went for £18m and played a handful of games. A huge mistake on their part but you can't deny the amount of money they make from just getting young players in, loaning them out then selling them on for profit.
|
|
| ChrisGC Wantage 24 Jun 19 9.47am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by NEILLO
Getting players into the first team is a huge challenge. You look at some of the players that were thought to look promising at youth level but couldn't cut it in the first team or out on loan - Kai Kai being an example. Rave reviews at development level but my mate that coached him at Brentford didn't rate him at all. It's a real churning process but we have seen the value of what can happen when one makes it through as AWB and Wilf have. Yeah, odd one. They all can't be wrong either. In the case of Kaikai and a couple of others they played under multiple managers at Palace and on loan and weren't rated.
|
|
| Painter Croydon 24 Jun 19 11.32am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by JohnB
Whilst Chelsea tend to just go about ruining youngsters careers, this shows the power of a good academy/recruiting young players early. [Tweet Link] charset="utf-8"></script>
How many of those lads were from the local area? It sort of kills the arguments about having a big catchment area. The Abramovich millions plundering European Academies seems more likely, I can’t see us going down that path. The notion that we should be producing more local lads in the Academy is fanciful, the chance of producing a top quality player is low. We have a better record at producing players than most with AWB and Zaha, but they don’t come along every year.
|
|
| Spiderman Horsham 24 Jun 19 12.45pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Apparently we are insisting on £55 million up front and the Zaha sell-on clause cancelled. If this is agreed hope that doesn't mean Zaha will go as well.
|
|
jeeagles  24 Jun 19 1.07pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Painter
How many of those lads were from the local area? It sort of kills the arguments about having a big catchment area. The Abramovich millions plundering European Academies seems more likely, I can’t see us going down that path. The notion that we should be producing more local lads in the Academy is fanciful, the chance of producing a top quality player is low. We have a better record at producing players than most with AWB and Zaha, but they don’t come along every year. Chances are the rules will change in a few years to stop teams from doing this. The football authorities are already closing down on clubs for this.
|
|
| gambler Kent 24 Jun 19 2.37pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Spiderman
Apparently we are insisting on £55 million up front and the Zaha sell-on clause cancelled. If this is agreed hope that doesn't mean Zaha will go as well. Yes hopefully it's just a very good opportunity to get that clause binned, and doesn't affect Zaha's immediate future.
|
|
| bashy2 London 24 Jun 19 10.53pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by becky
Love this in the Mail...... United offered us £42.5 million + £15 million add-on if he plays for them in the Champions League final. Palace rejected the offer, as they don't think Man U are good enough to get there that's why there have the hump with us most probably that's why it's taken nearly a month to sort the deal out very laughable
|
|
| Southampton_Eagle At the after party 25 Jun 19 7.19am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Gribbo
£15m when we get relegated would be a better ‘add on’. Likely to happen before the Mancs get anywhere near another Champions League. Fingers crossed for 17th place and no new stand for another season I fancy. Time for us to move on and make space for a club with a bit more ambition. Ambition What part of the player wants the transfer and Palace need the money do people not understand? Every club loses players they want to keep, including the top clubs so why should Palace be different?
|
|
 becky over the moon 25 Jun 19 7.46am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Southampton_Eagle
Ambition What part of the player wants the transfer and Palace need the money do people not understand? Every club loses players they want to keep, including the top clubs so why should Palace be different? What part of we are now an established Premiership club with one of the finest home-grown players we have ever had, so why should we roll over and let a 'big' club have him for peanuts just because they want him, do you not understand? Just 'cos he wants it is quite irrelevant really as he has a contract that says differently......
A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers |
|
| dreamwaverider London 25 Jun 19 8.02am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by becky
What part of we are now an established Premiership club with one of the finest home-grown players we have ever had, so why should we roll over and let a 'big' club have him for peanuts just because they want him, do you not understand? Just 'cos he wants it is quite irrelevant really as he has a contract that says differently...... Modern football that keeps the big clubs getting even bigger.
|
|
taylors lovechild  25 Jun 19 8.05am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Southampton_Eagle
Ambition What part of the player wants the transfer and Palace need the money do people not understand? Every club loses players they want to keep, including the top clubs so why should Palace be different? I agree that every club loses players and that really every player has his price, but there have not actually been any direct quotes from either club or the player to say what is really going on. The last quotes from AWB were that he'd be with us next season. The club has said nothing about its finances or its plans. I do think he'll go simply because the figures being suggested are insane, but at the moment there are a lot of sources stating speculation as fact.
|
|
ARGILE OLD GEEZER  PORTIMAO 25 Jun 19 8.07am |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by ChrisGC
Correct. I read we've got the largest catchment area (in terms of population) in Europe. Should be turning up more players, surely? Not when they have a choice of Chelsea, Spurs,Arsenal West ham etc or category 2 Palace
|
|
All images and text on this site are copyright © 1999-2025 The Holmesdale Online, unless otherwise stated.
Web Design by Guntrisoft Ltd.