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JohnB 21 Sep 15 4.32pm
Quote jcreedy at 21 Sep 2015 11.52am Quote matt_himself at 21 Sep 2015 5.08am Quote serial thriller at 20 Sep 2015 11.11pm Quote matt_himself at 20 Sep 2015 5.40pm Quote nickgusset at 20 Sep 2015 5.08pm Quote OldFella at 20 Sep 2015 12.59pm Quote matt_himself at 20 Sep 2015 6.01am More on the ComRes poll: [Link] Tory lead is 12%. Interesting to see UKIP holding firm at 13%, despite all the vilification in the press. The part I find fascinating is the approval ratings of politicians and whether the public actually know who they are. To NG and his fellow La La landers. You should read the above link. You are talking to yourselves! Has only been a week. A week full of unsubstantiated half truths, out of context quotes and downright lies in the press. It wont take long before the lead narrows It's normal for new party leaders to get a bounce in the polls after the first 7 days of their tenure. Just sayin'. But then it's pretty foolish to start judging Corbyn based on conventional political standards, as has been shown time and time again in the past 4 months. Here's a man who was given the biggest mandate in British political history to lead his party, having been almost universally written off as a no hoper. He's potentially going to lead the Labour party to 1 million members by 2020 in an age where the Tories are struggling to get in to 6 figures, and we have a self-professed communist as shadow chancellor. The past 10 weeks have thrown up more surprises in British politics, arguably, than had occurred in the previous 10 years. God knows what's going to happen in the next 4 1/2 years leading up to the election. I am beginning to think that you are actually insane. If I were you, I would temper your expectations somewhat. Our current Prime Minister has previously had his p** inside a dead pig (reportedly). If he can make it to the top of the tree, anybody can. To be fair, who hasn't f*ed a pig?

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More on the ComRes poll:

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Tory lead is 12%. Interesting to see UKIP holding firm at 13%, despite all the vilification in the press.

The part I find fascinating is the approval ratings of politicians and whether the public actually know who they are.

To NG and his fellow La La landers. You should read the above link. You are talking to yourselves!

Has only been a week. A week full of unsubstantiated half truths, out of context quotes and downright lies in the press.
It wont take long before the lead narrows

It's normal for new party leaders to get a bounce in the polls after the first 7 days of their tenure.

Just sayin'.

But then it's pretty foolish to start judging Corbyn based on conventional political standards, as has been shown time and time again in the past 4 months.

Here's a man who was given the biggest mandate in British political history to lead his party, having been almost universally written off as a no hoper. He's potentially going to lead the Labour party to 1 million members by 2020 in an age where the Tories are struggling to get in to 6 figures, and we have a self-professed communist as shadow chancellor. The past 10 weeks have thrown up more surprises in British politics, arguably, than had occurred in the previous 10 years. God knows what's going to happen in the next 4 1/2 years leading up to the election.

I am beginning to think that you are actually insane.

If I were you, I would temper your expectations somewhat.

Our current Prime Minister has previously had his p**** inside a dead pig (reportedly). If he can make it to the top of the tree, anybody can.

To be fair, who hasn't f***ed a pig?

Stuk Top half 21 Sep 15 4.55pm
Quote Sedlescombe at 19 Sep 2015 8.25am Quote Stuk at 18 Sep 2015 5.35pm Quote Sedlescombe at 18 Sep 2015 5.18pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 5.09pm Quote Sedlescombe at 18 Sep 2015 4.58pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 11.35am Quote Kermit8 at 18 Sep 2015 11.30am Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 11.19am Quote serial thriller at 18 Sep 2015 11.15am Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 11.07am Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 10.54am Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 8.08am Cameron is a decent man?! Was he decent when Israel was bombing the s* out of Gaza's children, and he refused to condem it? Is he decent for slicing up the NHS? Is he decent for taking benefits away from the desperate people that need them? I see no compassion or human decency in him whatsoever. Laugh at me all you like, but I can see Corbyn riding this ridiculous wave of filth in the press and becoming the next Prime Minister, despite what all the supposed experts say. Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 8.09am) Why would he condemn a retaliatory strike by Israel?... all the Palestinians had to do was stop firing rockets at Israel to avoid their children dying... they weren't specifically not targeting children in Israel were they? You talk like the fight between the Palestinians and Israel was/is an equal, two-sided affair. Israel has the military capabilities of the West behind it and is chocking the people of Gaza into submission. It's prolonged ethnic cleansing. Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 11.08am) And children continue to die in Gaza at the moment due to the blockade Israel is placing Palestine under, preventing vital medical and humanitarian aid reaching those in need. Bombing is merely the most visible way in which the Israelis are persecuting their neighbours. The blockade is there to prevent the Palestinians getting their hands on more rockets or worse.. more powerful weapons. All they have to do is sign up to a peaceful settlement and the blockade will be lifted. That doesn't explain away similar actions by the Israeli Government towards the Palestinian people in The West Bank though. Nor the hundreds of other state crimes committed before Hamas even existed. Collectively punishing a people for the deeds of a minority is always done by sh1theads. Oh I get it.... the Palestinians are entirely blameless for this whole affair, like the Scousers at Hillsborough. Sorry? In what way are the "scousers" guilty You had to be there.......... We've done that topic to death. I am not reopening Hillsborough I am sure it was done to death, I want you to tell me why the "scousers are guilty"** And we don't have "had to be there" because we know two things 1. The stadium didn't have a safety certificate and 2. The policeman in charge on the day said he wasn't up to the job and hadn't been briefed. It was him that opened the gates at the lepping lane end So again why are you having a pop at the families of the bereaved who are entirely innocent. I am guessing you are not following the inquiry Err, you wrote that. No hoof wrote that making a tenuous link to Palestinians being "Guilty", read the thred. I am calling him out on it. That could have been Palace in the Semi Final No he didn't. You need to read the thread. He insinuated that they aren't entirely blameless. Optimistic as ever

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Cameron is a decent man?! Was he decent when Israel was bombing the s*** out of Gaza's children, and he refused to condem it? Is he decent for slicing up the NHS? Is he decent for taking benefits away from the desperate people that need them? I see no compassion or human decency in him whatsoever.

Laugh at me all you like, but I can see Corbyn riding this ridiculous wave of filth in the press and becoming the next Prime Minister, despite what all the supposed experts say.

Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 8.09am)

Why would he condemn a retaliatory strike by Israel?... all the Palestinians had to do was stop firing rockets at Israel to avoid their children dying... they weren't specifically not targeting children in Israel were they?

You talk like the fight between the Palestinians and Israel was/is an equal, two-sided affair. Israel has the military capabilities of the West behind it and is chocking the people of Gaza into submission. It's prolonged ethnic cleansing.

Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 11.08am)

And children continue to die in Gaza at the moment due to the blockade Israel is placing Palestine under, preventing vital medical and humanitarian aid reaching those in need. Bombing is merely the most visible way in which the Israelis are persecuting their neighbours.

The blockade is there to prevent the Palestinians getting their hands on more rockets or worse.. more powerful weapons.

All they have to do is sign up to a peaceful settlement and the blockade will be lifted.

That doesn't explain away similar actions by the Israeli Government towards the Palestinian people in The West Bank though. Nor the hundreds of other state crimes committed before Hamas even existed. Collectively punishing a people for the deeds of a minority is always done by sh1theads.

Oh I get it.... the Palestinians are entirely blameless for this whole affair, like the Scousers at Hillsborough.

Sorry? In what way are the "scousers" guilty

You had to be there..........

We've done that topic to death.

I am not reopening Hillsborough I am sure it was done to death, I want you to tell me why the "scousers are guilty"

And we don't have "had to be there" because we know two things

1. The stadium didn't have a safety certificate and
2. The policeman in charge on the day said he wasn't up to the job and hadn't been briefed. It was him that opened the gates at the lepping lane end

So again why are you having a pop at the families of the bereaved who are entirely innocent.

I am guessing you are not following the inquiry

Err, you wrote that.

No hoof wrote that making a tenuous link to Palestinians being "Guilty", read the thred. I am calling him out on it. That could have been Palace in the Semi Final

No he didn't. You need to read the thread.

He insinuated that they aren't entirely blameless.

Optimistic as ever

susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 21 Sep 15 5.36pm
Quote jcreedy at 21 Sep 2015 4.22pm Quote susmik at 21 Sep 2015 4.15pm Quote jcreedy at 21 Sep 2015 4.11pm Quote susmik at 21 Sep 2015 4.02pm Quote jcreedy at 21 Sep 2015 3.38pm More 'fit to work' joy today. [Link] That report is pushed by a RUSSIAN company (RT) and I would think the guy topped himself because of other issues and not just only losing the money. It is rather sad but its a sign of the times I am afraid. In all areas of life certain people/things do slide out of the net with bad results. I would think it is for this sort of thing and reason that the government has changed the agency that does the medical checks to stop this sort of thing happening. I remember when back a few years and the Labour government was doing checks on the sick lame and the weary that people I know were sent back to work who should not have been so they got their doctors to insure they were rechecked and the results were different. I fail to see what the source has to do with the story. It was the first I read the story on, but you'll find it via various other sources if you prefer UK ones. That story and others like it have been flying about for months now. The reason I mentioned the Russian news network was just for that reason. I then went on to explain my thoughts on the matter. So wind your neck in please its not worth getting in a state for. [Link] This is different though. This man killed himself "as a direct result of being declared 'fit to work'", according to a coroner. It's not a few people slipping through the net due to innocent mistakes. It's been thousands in the last couple of years. One death would be bad enough. Edited by jcreedy (21 Sep 2015 4.23pm) She seems a really nice sort of lady does she not in all her rulings....Ms Hassell’s legal battles are believed to have cost the inner north London councils around £250,000. “She is failing to provide a good service to the public [Link] Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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More 'fit to work' joy today.
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That report is pushed by a RUSSIAN company (RT) and I would think the guy topped himself because of other issues and not just only losing the money. It is rather sad but its a sign of the times I am afraid. In all areas of life certain people/things do slide out of the net with bad results. I would think it is for this sort of thing and reason that the government has changed the agency that does the medical checks to stop this sort of thing happening. I remember when back a few years and the Labour government was doing checks on the sick lame and the weary that people I know were sent back to work who should not have been so they got their doctors to insure they were rechecked and the results were different.

I fail to see what the source has to do with the story. It was the first I read the story on, but you'll find it via various other sources if you prefer UK ones.

That story and others like it have been flying about for months now. The reason I mentioned the Russian news network was just for that reason. I then went on to explain my thoughts on the matter. So wind your neck in please its not worth getting in a state for.

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This is different though. This man killed himself "as a direct result of being declared 'fit to work'", according to a coroner.

It's not a few people slipping through the net due to innocent mistakes. It's been thousands in the last couple of years. One death would be bad enough.

Edited by jcreedy (21 Sep 2015 4.23pm)

She seems a really nice sort of lady does she not in all her rulings....Ms Hassell’s legal battles are believed to have cost the inner north London councils around £250,000.

“She is failing to provide a good service to the public

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Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 21 Sep 15 11.05pm
As Corbyn has made renationalisation of the railways a priority, I thought I'd share this prescient clip from an old spitting image. [Link]

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Shizzlehurst 21 Sep 15 11.05pm

As Corbyn has made renationalisation of the railways a priority, I thought I'd share this prescient clip from an old spitting image.

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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 22 Sep 15 10.12am
Quote jcreedy at 21 Sep 2015 3.38pm More 'fit to work' joy today. [Link] Pathetic socialist journalism at i's worst. " A man with severe depression is at risk of suicide if he spills his coffee in the morning. I have been on the receiving end of living with someone who had severe depression and to blame any one trigger shows a complete lack of any understanding of the decease. And how the Government are to blame is a f*ing reach even by JC (same initials as Jeremy Corbyn ..just saying) standards. The department of Work and Pensions made the decision not Cameron so it is a departmental issue and an individual error was clearly made sweet FA to do with politics or Corbyn. How that’s pig f*ers fault is beyond me, like I said lazy socialist bollicks. Edited by dannyh (22 Sep 2015 10.12am) "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

dannyh

wherever I lay my hat....... 22 Sep 15 10.12am

Quote jcreedy at 21 Sep 2015 3.38pm

More 'fit to work' joy today.
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Pathetic socialist journalism at i's worst. " A man with severe depression is at risk of suicide if he spills his coffee in the morning.

I have been on the receiving end of living with someone who had severe depression and to blame any one trigger shows a complete lack of any understanding of the decease.

And how the Government are to blame is a f***ing reach even by JC (same initials as Jeremy Corbyn ..just saying) standards.

The department of Work and Pensions made the decision not Cameron so it is a departmental issue and an individual error was clearly made sweet FA to do with politics or Corbyn.

How that’s pig f***ers fault is beyond me, like I said lazy socialist bollicks.

Edited by dannyh (22 Sep 2015 10.12am)

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

Hoof Hearted 22 Sep 15 10.22am
Quote dannyh at 22 Sep 2015 10.12am Quote jcreedy at 21 Sep 2015 3.38pm More 'fit to work' joy today. [Link] Pathetic socialist journalism at i's worst. " A man with severe depression is at risk of suicide if he spills his coffee in the morning. I have been on the receiving end of living with someone who had severe depression and to blame any one trigger shows a complete lack of any understanding of the decease. And how the Government are to blame is a f*ing reach even by JC (same initials as Jeremy Corbyn ..just saying) standards. The department of Work and Pensions made the decision not Cameron so it is a departmental issue and an individual error was clearly made sweet FA to do with politics or Corbyn. How that’s pig f*ers fault is beyond me, like I said lazy socialist bollicks. Edited by dannyh (22 Sep 2015 10.12am) Also danny, it's worth reading susmik's input on this particular Coroner's own political motives when making her judgement on this case. Coroners have more "licence" than Judges in applying the law and arriving at outcomes of death and some Coroners have sparked controversy in the past as they are largely unchecked in my experience.

Hoof Hearted 22 Sep 15 10.22am

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More 'fit to work' joy today.
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Pathetic socialist journalism at i's worst. " A man with severe depression is at risk of suicide if he spills his coffee in the morning.

I have been on the receiving end of living with someone who had severe depression and to blame any one trigger shows a complete lack of any understanding of the decease.

And how the Government are to blame is a f***ing reach even by JC (same initials as Jeremy Corbyn ..just saying) standards.

The department of Work and Pensions made the decision not Cameron so it is a departmental issue and an individual error was clearly made sweet FA to do with politics or Corbyn.

How that’s pig f***ers fault is beyond me, like I said lazy socialist bollicks.

Edited by dannyh (22 Sep 2015 10.12am)

Also danny, it's worth reading susmik's input on this particular Coroner's own political motives when making her judgement on this case.

Coroners have more "licence" than Judges in applying the law and arriving at outcomes of death and some Coroners have sparked controversy in the past as they are largely unchecked in my experience.

Mapletree Croydon 22 Sep 15 10.31am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 21 Sep 2015 9.51am Quote OldFella at 21 Sep 2015 9.44am Quote davenotamonkey at 21 Sep 2015 12.37am Quote serial thriller at 20 Sep 2015 11.11pm But then it's pretty foolish to start judging Corbyn based on conventional political standards, as has been shown time and time again in the past 4 months. Here's a man who was given the biggest mandate in British political history to lead his party, having been almost universally written off as a no hoper. He's potentially going to lead the Labour party to 1 million members by 2020 in an age where the Tories are struggling to get in to 6 figures, and we have a self-professed communist as shadow chancellor. The past 10 weeks have thrown up more surprises in British politics, arguably, than had occurred in the previous 10 years. God knows what's going to happen in the next 4 1/2 years leading up to the election. It's so sweet you actually believe that. Labour membership? Sure, why not. I can vote for an IRA-loving communist and stop Labour from getting into power for as long as this guy leads? Awesome! How much? £3?! I'll take 3! 83.3% of the £3 voters voted for.... Corbyn, the rest of the party went along for the ride to stick their collective fingers up at the Blir and Burnham's of the party, likely egged on and socialmedialobotomised (as let's be frank, Tw@tter et al. are rammed full of this lot) by a combination of useful idiots (Owen Jones) and genuine false-flag operations. And it's worked perfectly*. Enjoy. Post of the month - spot on. Agreed...... Top class comeback dave! All these posts do is show your age. Try asking someone under 30 what they think. Loads of the people that backed Corbyn are da yoof. Somewhat bizarre really given he comes from a by-gone era. Not many of you old duffers actually got their act together to join up just to put in a spoiling vote. But of course, you wouldn't know that if you only read the Daily Mail/Telegraph/Metro/Evening Standard.

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But then it's pretty foolish to start judging Corbyn based on conventional political standards, as has been shown time and time again in the past 4 months.

It's so sweet you actually believe that. Labour membership? Sure, why not. I can vote for an IRA-loving communist and stop Labour from getting into power for as long as this guy leads? Awesome! How much? £3?! I'll take 3!

83.3% of the £3 voters voted for.... Corbyn, the rest of the party went along for the ride to stick their collective fingers up at the Bl*ir and Burnham's of the party, likely egged on and socialmedialobotomised (as let's be frank, Tw@tter et al. are rammed full of this lot) by a combination of useful idiots (Owen Jones) and genuine false-flag operations. And it's worked perfectly.

Enjoy.

Post of the month - spot on.

Agreed...... Top class comeback dave!

All these posts do is show your age.

Try asking someone under 30 what they think. Loads of the people that backed Corbyn are da yoof. Somewhat bizarre really given he comes from a by-gone era. Not many of you old duffers actually got their act together to join up just to put in a spoiling vote. But of course, you wouldn't know that if you only read the Daily Mail/Telegraph/Metro/Evening Standard.

dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 22 Sep 15 10.33am
Quote Mapletree at 22 Sep 2015 10.31am Quote Hoof Hearted at 21 Sep 2015 9.51am Quote OldFella at 21 Sep 2015 9.44am Quote davenotamonkey at 21 Sep 2015 12.37am Quote serial thriller at 20 Sep 2015 11.11pm But then it's pretty foolish to start judging Corbyn based on conventional political standards, as has been shown time and time again in the past 4 months. Here's a man who was given the biggest mandate in British political history to lead his party, having been almost universally written off as a no hoper. He's potentially going to lead the Labour party to 1 million members by 2020 in an age where the Tories are struggling to get in to 6 figures, and we have a self-professed communist as shadow chancellor. The past 10 weeks have thrown up more surprises in British politics, arguably, than had occurred in the previous 10 years. God knows what's going to happen in the next 4 1/2 years leading up to the election. It's so sweet you actually believe that. Labour membership? Sure, why not. I can vote for an IRA-loving communist and stop Labour from getting into power for as long as this guy leads? Awesome! How much? £3?! I'll take 3! 83.3% of the £3 voters voted for.... Corbyn, the rest of the party went along for the ride to stick their collective fingers up at the Blir and Burnham's of the party, likely egged on and socialmedialobotomised (as let's be frank, Tw@tter et al. are rammed full of this lot) by a combination of useful idiots (Owen Jones) and genuine false-flag operations. And it's worked perfectly. Enjoy. Post of the month - spot on. Agreed...... Top class comeback dave! All these posts do is show your age.* Try asking someone under 30 what they think. Loads of the people that backed Corbyn are da yoof. Somewhat bizarre really given he comes from a by-gone era. Not many of you old duffers actually got their act together to join up just to put in a spoiling vote. But of course, you wouldn't know that if you only read the Daily Mail/Telegraph/Metro/Evening Standard. Oh the irony. "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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But then it's pretty foolish to start judging Corbyn based on conventional political standards, as has been shown time and time again in the past 4 months.

Enjoy.

Post of the month - spot on.

Agreed...... Top class comeback dave!

All these posts do is show your age.

Oh the irony.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

npn Crowborough 22 Sep 15 10.34am
Quote nickgusset at 21 Sep 2015 11.05pm As Corbyn has made renationalisation of the railways a priority, I thought I'd share this prescient clip from an old spitting image. [Link] Renationalisation of the railways is one close to my heart as a commuter for at least 3 hours a day. I'd be happy with anything which made the service better and/or cheaper. I have yet to see any evidence that renationalisation would do that - what exactly is Corbyn proposing? More central investment? Or does he just object to private companies making a profit from it? Not necessarily disagreeing, just haven't yet seen a "nationalising the railways will improve things because we will..." argument laying out the proposed causes and effects.

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Quote nickgusset at 21 Sep 2015 11.05pm

As Corbyn has made renationalisation of the railways a priority, I thought I'd share this prescient clip from an old spitting image.

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Renationalisation of the railways is one close to my heart as a commuter for at least 3 hours a day. I'd be happy with anything which made the service better and/or cheaper. I have yet to see any evidence that renationalisation would do that - what exactly is Corbyn proposing? More central investment? Or does he just object to private companies making a profit from it?

Not necessarily disagreeing, just haven't yet seen a "nationalising the railways will improve things because we will..." argument laying out the proposed causes and effects.

Kermit8 Hevon 22 Sep 15 10.43am
Quote npn at 22 Sep 2015 10.34am Quote nickgusset at 21 Sep 2015 11.05pm As Corbyn has made renationalisation of the railways a priority, I thought I'd share this prescient clip from an old spitting image. [Link] Renationalisation of the railways is one close to my heart as a commuter for at least 3 hours a day. I'd be happy with anything which made the service better and/or cheaper. I have yet to see any evidence that renationalisation would do that - what exactly is Corbyn proposing? More central investment? Or does he just object to private companies making a profit from it? Not necessarily disagreeing, just haven't yet seen a "nationalising the railways will improve things because we will..." argument laying out the proposed causes and effects. £400 return to Manchester from Devon and not even first class - I saw that fare online recently - is a pretty good case for the prosecution. Trains were a bit crap before nationalisation and a a bit crap after. The difference is one had reasonable prices and was not driven by profit and the other is mostly about the filthy lucre and not so much a public service. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 22 Sep 15 10.43am

Quote npn at 22 Sep 2015 10.34am

Quote nickgusset at 21 Sep 2015 11.05pm

As Corbyn has made renationalisation of the railways a priority, I thought I'd share this prescient clip from an old spitting image.

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Not necessarily disagreeing, just haven't yet seen a "nationalising the railways will improve things because we will..." argument laying out the proposed causes and effects.

£400 return to Manchester from Devon and not even first class - I saw that fare online recently - is a pretty good case for the prosecution.

Trains were a bit crap before nationalisation and a a bit crap after. The difference is one had reasonable prices and was not driven by profit and the other is mostly about the filthy lucre and not so much a public service.

Big chest and massive boobs

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jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Sep 15 10.57am
Quote dannyh at 22 Sep 2015 10.12am Quote jcreedy at 21 Sep 2015 3.38pm More 'fit to work' joy today. [Link] Pathetic socialist journalism at i's worst. " A man with severe depression is at risk of suicide if he spills his coffee in the morning. I have been on the receiving end of living with someone who had severe depression and to blame any one trigger shows a complete lack of any understanding of the decease. And how the Government are to blame is a f*ing reach even by JC (same initials as Jeremy Corbyn ..just saying) standards. The department of Work and Pensions made the decision not Cameron so it is a departmental issue and an individual error was clearly made sweet FA to do with politics or Corbyn. How that’s pig f*ers fault is beyond me, like I said lazy socialist bollicks. Edited by dannyh (22 Sep 2015 10.12am) Depends - If the coroners verdict is that it played a significant role, then its a factor. But I tend to agree with you, having suffered with clinical depression my whole adult life, that its not a factor of one thing, or even one huge thing, but a collection of the smaller things in life. But a coroners inquest is to establish the facts of the case. And the decision of a government body should never override the decision of a qualified medical professional, when dealing with someone's individual case. of course, this is a problem initiated by Labour, with the ATOS Fit for Work program, in which incentives were based on 'positive results', the actual number of successful appeals under this scheme pretty much suggests its a total failure. But it has long suited governments to look like they're doing something, rather than say actually doing something (such as actual spending on mental health provision in the UK). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

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More 'fit to work' joy today.
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Pathetic socialist journalism at i's worst. " A man with severe depression is at risk of suicide if he spills his coffee in the morning.

I have been on the receiving end of living with someone who had severe depression and to blame any one trigger shows a complete lack of any understanding of the decease.

And how the Government are to blame is a f***ing reach even by JC (same initials as Jeremy Corbyn ..just saying) standards.

The department of Work and Pensions made the decision not Cameron so it is a departmental issue and an individual error was clearly made sweet FA to do with politics or Corbyn.

How that’s pig f***ers fault is beyond me, like I said lazy socialist bollicks.

Edited by dannyh (22 Sep 2015 10.12am)

Depends - If the coroners verdict is that it played a significant role, then its a factor. But I tend to agree with you, having suffered with clinical depression my whole adult life, that its not a factor of one thing, or even one huge thing, but a collection of the smaller things in life.

But a coroners inquest is to establish the facts of the case. And the decision of a government body should never override the decision of a qualified medical professional, when dealing with someone's individual case.

of course, this is a problem initiated by Labour, with the ATOS Fit for Work program, in which incentives were based on 'positive results', the actual number of successful appeals under this scheme pretty much suggests its a total failure.

But it has long suited governments to look like they're doing something, rather than say actually doing something (such as actual spending on mental health provision in the UK).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 22 Sep 15 11.02am
Quote npn at 22 Sep 2015 10.34am Quote nickgusset at 21 Sep 2015 11.05pm As Corbyn has made renationalisation of the railways a priority, I thought I'd share this prescient clip from an old spitting image. [Link] Renationalisation of the railways is one close to my heart as a commuter for at least 3 hours a day. I'd be happy with anything which made the service better and/or cheaper. I have yet to see any evidence that renationalisation would do that - what exactly is Corbyn proposing? More central investment? Or does he just object to private companies making a profit from it? Not necessarily disagreeing, just haven't yet seen a "nationalising the railways will improve things because we will..." argument laying out the proposed causes and effects. Presumably that will be outlined in the manifesto for the election. Its a bit early in the term to be talking about exact details and hashing out the fine print. Personally I'd nationalize the railways, if I could, without compensation to the shareholders, as its a f**king disgrace. I don't object to profit and people making a profit, but the question should be who does the countries rail network serve, the owners or the individuals who use it (including commuting to and from work). Something like public transport may need to actually run at a loss anyhow, if by doing so you can facilitate employment and tax return improvements elsewhere. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 22 Sep 15 11.02am

Quote npn at 22 Sep 2015 10.34am

Quote nickgusset at 21 Sep 2015 11.05pm

As Corbyn has made renationalisation of the railways a priority, I thought I'd share this prescient clip from an old spitting image.

[Link]

Not necessarily disagreeing, just haven't yet seen a "nationalising the railways will improve things because we will..." argument laying out the proposed causes and effects.

Presumably that will be outlined in the manifesto for the election. Its a bit early in the term to be talking about exact details and hashing out the fine print.

Personally I'd nationalize the railways, if I could, without compensation to the shareholders, as its a f**king disgrace. I don't object to profit and people making a profit, but the question should be who does the countries rail network serve, the owners or the individuals who use it (including commuting to and from work).

Something like public transport may need to actually run at a loss anyhow, if by doing so you can facilitate employment and tax return improvements elsewhere.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

OldFella London 22 Sep 15 11.11am
Quote Mapletree at 22 Sep 2015 10.31am Quote Hoof Hearted at 21 Sep 2015 9.51am Quote OldFella at 21 Sep 2015 9.44am Quote davenotamonkey at 21 Sep 2015 12.37am Quote serial thriller at 20 Sep 2015 11.11pm But then it's pretty foolish to start judging Corbyn based on conventional political standards, as has been shown time and time again in the past 4 months. Here's a man who was given the biggest mandate in British political history to lead his party, having been almost universally written off as a no hoper. He's potentially going to lead the Labour party to 1 million members by 2020 in an age where the Tories are struggling to get in to 6 figures, and we have a self-professed communist as shadow chancellor. The past 10 weeks have thrown up more surprises in British politics, arguably, than had occurred in the previous 10 years. God knows what's going to happen in the next 4 1/2 years leading up to the election. It's so sweet you actually believe that. Labour membership? Sure, why not. I can vote for an IRA-loving communist and stop Labour from getting into power for as long as this guy leads? Awesome! How much? £3?! I'll take 3! 83.3% of the £3 voters voted for.... Corbyn, the rest of the party went along for the ride to stick their collective fingers up at the Blir and Burnham's of the party, likely egged on and socialmedialobotomised (as let's be frank, Tw@tter et al. are rammed full of this lot) by a combination of useful idiots (Owen Jones) and genuine false-flag operations. And it's worked perfectly*. Enjoy. Post of the month - spot on. Agreed...... Top class comeback dave! All these posts do is show your age. Try asking someone under 30 what they think. Loads of the people that backed Corbyn are da yoof. Somewhat bizarre really given he comes from a by-gone era. Not many of you old duffers actually got their act together to join up just to put in a spoiling vote. But of course, you wouldn't know that if you only read the Daily Mail/Telegraph/Metro/Evening Standard. Left wing wally talking to himself again alert... Jackson.. Wan Bissaka.... Sansom.. Nicholas.. Cannon.. Guehi.... Zaha... Thomas.. Byrne... Holton.. Rogers.. that should do it..

OldFella

London 22 Sep 15 11.11am

Quote Mapletree at 22 Sep 2015 10.31am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 21 Sep 2015 9.51am

Quote OldFella at 21 Sep 2015 9.44am

Quote davenotamonkey at 21 Sep 2015 12.37am

Quote serial thriller at 20 Sep 2015 11.11pm

But then it's pretty foolish to start judging Corbyn based on conventional political standards, as has been shown time and time again in the past 4 months.

Enjoy.

Post of the month - spot on.

Agreed...... Top class comeback dave!

All these posts do is show your age.

Left wing wally talking to himself again alert...

Jackson.. Wan Bissaka.... Sansom.. Nicholas.. Cannon.. Guehi.... Zaha... Thomas.. Byrne... Holton.. Rogers.. that should do it..

chris123 hove actually 22 Sep 15 11.17am
Quote Kermit8 at 22 Sep 2015 10.43am Quote npn at 22 Sep 2015 10.34am Quote nickgusset at 21 Sep 2015 11.05pm As Corbyn has made renationalisation of the railways a priority, I thought I'd share this prescient clip from an old spitting image. [Link] Renationalisation of the railways is one close to my heart as a commuter for at least 3 hours a day. I'd be happy with anything which made the service better and/or cheaper. I have yet to see any evidence that renationalisation would do that - what exactly is Corbyn proposing? More central investment? Or does he just object to private companies making a profit from it? Not necessarily disagreeing, just haven't yet seen a "nationalising the railways will improve things because we will..." argument laying out the proposed causes and effects. £400 return to Manchester from Devon and not even first class - I saw that fare online recently - is a pretty good case for the prosecution. Trains were a bit crap before nationalisation and a a bit crap after. The difference is one had reasonable prices and was not driven by profit and the other is mostly about the filthy lucre and not so much a public service. Exeter to Manchester return is usually under a 100 quid if booked in advance. I was working there in Feb and the return from Caterham was 85 including tube.

chris123

hove actually 22 Sep 15 11.17am

Quote Kermit8 at 22 Sep 2015 10.43am

Quote npn at 22 Sep 2015 10.34am

Quote nickgusset at 21 Sep 2015 11.05pm

As Corbyn has made renationalisation of the railways a priority, I thought I'd share this prescient clip from an old spitting image.

[Link]

Not necessarily disagreeing, just haven't yet seen a "nationalising the railways will improve things because we will..." argument laying out the proposed causes and effects.

£400 return to Manchester from Devon and not even first class - I saw that fare online recently - is a pretty good case for the prosecution.

Exeter to Manchester return is usually under a 100 quid if booked in advance. I was working there in Feb and the return from Caterham was 85 including tube.

Hoof Hearted 22 Sep 15 11.21am
Quote Mapletree at 22 Sep 2015 10.31am Quote Hoof Hearted at 21 Sep 2015 9.51am Quote OldFella at 21 Sep 2015 9.44am Quote davenotamonkey at 21 Sep 2015 12.37am Quote serial thriller at 20 Sep 2015 11.11pm But then it's pretty foolish to start judging Corbyn based on conventional political standards, as has been shown time and time again in the past 4 months. Here's a man who was given the biggest mandate in British political history to lead his party, having been almost universally written off as a no hoper. He's potentially going to lead the Labour party to 1 million members by 2020 in an age where the Tories are struggling to get in to 6 figures, and we have a self-professed communist as shadow chancellor. The past 10 weeks have thrown up more surprises in British politics, arguably, than had occurred in the previous 10 years. God knows what's going to happen in the next 4 1/2 years leading up to the election. It's so sweet you actually believe that. Labour membership? Sure, why not. I can vote for an IRA-loving communist and stop Labour from getting into power for as long as this guy leads? Awesome! How much? £3?! I'll take 3! 83.3% of the £3 voters voted for.... Corbyn, the rest of the party went along for the ride to stick their collective fingers up at the Blir and Burnham's of the party, likely egged on and socialmedialobotomised (as let's be frank, Tw@tter et al. are rammed full of this lot) by a combination of useful idiots (Owen Jones) and genuine false-flag operations. And it's worked perfectly*. Enjoy. Post of the month - spot on. Agreed...... Top class comeback dave! All these posts do is show your age. Try asking someone under 30 what they think. Loads of the people that backed Corbyn are da yoof. Somewhat bizarre really given he comes from a by-gone era. Not many of you old duffers actually got their act together to join up just to put in a spoiling vote. But of course, you wouldn't know that if you only read the Daily Mail/Telegraph/Metro/Evening Standard. Corbyn's popularity would be evenly spread between those over 30 and those under. There are plenty of 'old duffers' that voted for him and hang on his every word. Leave it to Bert the Nobhead from Epsom to educate us tirelessly about the evils of the right wing press... I don't take a newspaper, none of my friends or family do either... maybe we just don't like what we see and hear on BBC TV/Radio and make our own minds up? As for paying £3 to the Labour Party.... not a chance... that would get me 12 strawberry cornetto's in Sainsbury's.

Hoof Hearted 22 Sep 15 11.21am

Quote Mapletree at 22 Sep 2015 10.31am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 21 Sep 2015 9.51am

Quote OldFella at 21 Sep 2015 9.44am

Quote davenotamonkey at 21 Sep 2015 12.37am

Quote serial thriller at 20 Sep 2015 11.11pm

But then it's pretty foolish to start judging Corbyn based on conventional political standards, as has been shown time and time again in the past 4 months.

Enjoy.

Post of the month - spot on.

Agreed...... Top class comeback dave!

All these posts do is show your age.

Corbyn's popularity would be evenly spread between those over 30 and those under.

There are plenty of 'old duffers' that voted for him and hang on his every word.

Leave it to Bert the Nobhead from Epsom to educate us tirelessly about the evils of the right wing press... I don't take a newspaper, none of my friends or family do either... maybe we just don't like what we see and hear on BBC TV/Radio and make our own minds up?

As for paying £3 to the Labour Party.... not a chance... that would get me 12 strawberry cornetto's in Sainsbury's.

Kermit8 Hevon 22 Sep 15 11.24am
Quote chris123 at 22 Sep 2015 11.17am Quote Kermit8 at 22 Sep 2015 10.43am Quote npn at 22 Sep 2015 10.34am Quote nickgusset at 21 Sep 2015 11.05pm As Corbyn has made renationalisation of the railways a priority, I thought I'd share this prescient clip from an old spitting image. [Link] Renationalisation of the railways is one close to my heart as a commuter for at least 3 hours a day. I'd be happy with anything which made the service better and/or cheaper. I have yet to see any evidence that renationalisation would do that - what exactly is Corbyn proposing? More central investment? Or does he just object to private companies making a profit from it? Not necessarily disagreeing, just haven't yet seen a "nationalising the railways will improve things because we will..." argument laying out the proposed causes and effects. £400 return to Manchester from Devon and not even first class - I saw that fare online recently - is a pretty good case for the prosecution. Trains were a bit crap before nationalisation and a a bit crap after. The difference is one had reasonable prices and was not driven by profit and the other is mostly about the filthy lucre and not so much a public service. Exeter to Manchester return is usually under a 100 quid if booked in advance. I was working there in Feb and the return from Caterham was 85 including tube. You have to wonder wonder what the equivalent price for that same distance train journey would be in France, Spain or Germany on their nationalised railways. I bet even booking on the day it would not be anywhere near £100. The £400 one did make me laugh though. How do they have the gall? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 22 Sep 15 11.24am

Quote chris123 at 22 Sep 2015 11.17am

Quote Kermit8 at 22 Sep 2015 10.43am

Quote npn at 22 Sep 2015 10.34am

Quote nickgusset at 21 Sep 2015 11.05pm

As Corbyn has made renationalisation of the railways a priority, I thought I'd share this prescient clip from an old spitting image.

[Link]

Not necessarily disagreeing, just haven't yet seen a "nationalising the railways will improve things because we will..." argument laying out the proposed causes and effects.

£400 return to Manchester from Devon and not even first class - I saw that fare online recently - is a pretty good case for the prosecution.

Exeter to Manchester return is usually under a 100 quid if booked in advance. I was working there in Feb and the return from Caterham was 85 including tube.

You have to wonder wonder what the equivalent price for that same distance train journey would be in France, Spain or Germany on their nationalised railways. I bet even booking on the day it would not be anywhere near £100.

The £400 one did make me laugh though. How do they have the gall?

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

chris123 hove actually 22 Sep 15 11.31am
Quote Kermit8 at 22 Sep 2015 11.24am Quote chris123 at 22 Sep 2015 11.17am Quote Kermit8 at 22 Sep 2015 10.43am Quote npn at 22 Sep 2015 10.34am Quote nickgusset at 21 Sep 2015 11.05pm As Corbyn has made renationalisation of the railways a priority, I thought I'd share this prescient clip from an old spitting image. [Link] Renationalisation of the railways is one close to my heart as a commuter for at least 3 hours a day. I'd be happy with anything which made the service better and/or cheaper. I have yet to see any evidence that renationalisation would do that - what exactly is Corbyn proposing? More central investment? Or does he just object to private companies making a profit from it? Not necessarily disagreeing, just haven't yet seen a "nationalising the railways will improve things because we will..." argument laying out the proposed causes and effects. £400 return to Manchester from Devon and not even first class - I saw that fare online recently - is a pretty good case for the prosecution. Trains were a bit crap before nationalisation and a a bit crap after. The difference is one had reasonable prices and was not driven by profit and the other is mostly about the filthy lucre and not so much a public service. Exeter to Manchester return is usually under a 100 quid if booked in advance. I was working there in Feb and the return from Caterham was 85 including tube. You have to wonder wonder what the equivalent price for that same distance train journey would be in France, Spain or Germany on their nationalised railways. I bet even booking on the day it would not be anywhere near £100. The £400 one did make me laugh though. How do they have the gall? I'm working in Vienna at the moment, it's 4.40 euro single from Vienna airport to the office about 24km, coming back from Heathrow to Caterham is 5.20 pounds on Oyster. Both pretty good - by comparison taxi in Vienna is 40 euro and Heathrow - Caterham is about 50 quid.

chris123

hove actually 22 Sep 15 11.31am

Quote Kermit8 at 22 Sep 2015 11.24am

Quote chris123 at 22 Sep 2015 11.17am

Quote Kermit8 at 22 Sep 2015 10.43am

Quote npn at 22 Sep 2015 10.34am

Quote nickgusset at 21 Sep 2015 11.05pm

As Corbyn has made renationalisation of the railways a priority, I thought I'd share this prescient clip from an old spitting image.

[Link]

Not necessarily disagreeing, just haven't yet seen a "nationalising the railways will improve things because we will..." argument laying out the proposed causes and effects.

£400 return to Manchester from Devon and not even first class - I saw that fare online recently - is a pretty good case for the prosecution.

Exeter to Manchester return is usually under a 100 quid if booked in advance. I was working there in Feb and the return from Caterham was 85 including tube.

The £400 one did make me laugh though. How do they have the gall?

I'm working in Vienna at the moment, it's 4.40 euro single from Vienna airport to the office about 24km, coming back from Heathrow to Caterham is 5.20 pounds on Oyster. Both pretty good - by comparison taxi in Vienna is 40 euro and Heathrow - Caterham is about 50 quid.

npn Crowborough 22 Sep 15 11.37am
Quote Kermit8 at 22 Sep 2015 10.43am Quote npn at 22 Sep 2015 10.34am Quote nickgusset at 21 Sep 2015 11.05pm As Corbyn has made renationalisation of the railways a priority, I thought I'd share this prescient clip from an old spitting image. [Link] Renationalisation of the railways is one close to my heart as a commuter for at least 3 hours a day. I'd be happy with anything which made the service better and/or cheaper. I have yet to see any evidence that renationalisation would do that - what exactly is Corbyn proposing? More central investment? Or does he just object to private companies making a profit from it? Not necessarily disagreeing, just haven't yet seen a "nationalising the railways will improve things because we will..." argument laying out the proposed causes and effects. £400 return to Manchester from Devon and not even first class - I saw that fare online recently - is a pretty good case for the prosecution. Trains were a bit crap before nationalisation and a a bit crap after. The difference is one had reasonable prices and was not driven by profit and the other is mostly about the filthy lucre and not so much a public service. You don't have to tell me how expensive it is (3,500 for my season ticket), but are we just talking about subsidising rail fairs here? Is the renationalisation just an exercise in taking it under government control so that the government absorbs the cost (if so, I can see an argument from non-users that it's unfair for them to be subsidising me - not that I'd be complaining obviously). This is my point, I've heard the "it's disgusting how expensive it is" argument (and agree with it), but nationalisation in itself does nothing to change that, unless part of the nationalisation idea is to nationalise and then subsidise.

npn

Crowborough 22 Sep 15 11.37am

Quote Kermit8 at 22 Sep 2015 10.43am

Quote npn at 22 Sep 2015 10.34am

Quote nickgusset at 21 Sep 2015 11.05pm

As Corbyn has made renationalisation of the railways a priority, I thought I'd share this prescient clip from an old spitting image.

[Link]

Not necessarily disagreeing, just haven't yet seen a "nationalising the railways will improve things because we will..." argument laying out the proposed causes and effects.

£400 return to Manchester from Devon and not even first class - I saw that fare online recently - is a pretty good case for the prosecution.

You don't have to tell me how expensive it is (3,500 for my season ticket), but are we just talking about subsidising rail fairs here? Is the renationalisation just an exercise in taking it under government control so that the government absorbs the cost (if so, I can see an argument from non-users that it's unfair for them to be subsidising me - not that I'd be complaining obviously).

This is my point, I've heard the "it's disgusting how expensive it is" argument (and agree with it), but nationalisation in itself does nothing to change that, unless part of the nationalisation idea is to nationalise and then subsidise.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 Sep 15 12.43pm
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but aren't the railways (and other privatised services) massively subsidised by us already?

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 22 Sep 15 12.43pm

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but aren't the railways (and other privatised services) massively subsidised by us already?

chris123 hove actually 22 Sep 15 12.56pm
Quote nickgusset at 22 Sep 2015 12.43pm Forgive me if I'm wrong, but aren't the railways (and other privatised services) massively subsidised by us already? More traveling by train now than ever before - gone up by 70% in 10 years.

chris123

hove actually 22 Sep 15 12.56pm

Quote nickgusset at 22 Sep 2015 12.43pm

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but aren't the railways (and other privatised services) massively subsidised by us already?

More traveling by train now than ever before - gone up by 70% in 10 years.

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