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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 29 Apr 17 11.00am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

I believe you are just being intransigent knowing really how that attitude at the beginning of the highlighted sentence will make the situation worse for your honourable considerations at the end. It will result in the exact opposite of what you want for your family. It could seem to some readers that you are putting your ideology ahead of what you say is the most important thing if you were to support such a measure.

You have been around long enough to understand that if innocents are persecuted because of guilt by imagined association then it only inflames situations and more violence ensues.

Ismaili Muslims are a peaceful bunch. Let's leave it that way.

That is very presumptuous. I'd would not persecute anyone unless they were guilty or complicit.
The horse has already bolted. My policy would to have had strict controls on the type of people coming here.
There seems to have been no consideration for national security or social dysfunction in our immigration policy.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 29 Apr 17 11.01am

Originally posted by Kermit8

I believe you are just being intransigent knowing really how that attitude at the beginning of the highlighted sentence will make the situation worse for your honourable considerations at the end. It will result in the exact opposite of what you want for your family. It could seem to some readers that you are putting your ideology ahead of what you say is the most important thing if you were to support such a measure.

You have been around long enough to understand that if innocents are persecuted because of guilt by imagined association then it only inflames situations and more violence ensues.

Ismaili Muslims are a peaceful bunch. Let's leave it that way.


Funny how people quickly jump on the you're an anti semite bandwagon if you criticise right wing Israeli policy (which is by no means the ideology of all Jewish people) but then feel it's alright to blame 'muslims' because of the warped heinous ideology of some subsections of Islamic followers.

Double standards.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 29 Apr 17 11.05am

Just heard Eddie Hitler is going to stand in Boston.

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 29 Apr 17 11.27am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset


Funny how people quickly jump on the you're an anti semite bandwagon if you criticise right wing Israeli policy (which is by no means the ideology of all Jewish people) but then feel it's alright to blame 'muslims' because of the warped heinous ideology of some subsections of Islamic followers.

Double standards.

This is such a tired old mantra.
No one and I mean no one, blames all Muslims for terrorism unless that have no understanding whatsoever.
I have spent many weeks in Muslim countries having a great holiday and the people were friendly and helpful.(They were getting paid to be but still). That doesn't mean Muslims are not a problem in this country.

Israel is mostly Jewish and was formed entirely because of Jewish faith. Since Jewish settlement, Israel has systematically moved Palestinians off their own land. Have I got sympathy with Palestinians? Yes. Do I support the PLO or Hamas. No. Do I think Israeli Jews can reasonably defend their governments policy and claim Anti Semitism by critics? Absolutely not.

Let's just be honest.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Apr 2017 11.34am)

 

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7mins Flag In the bush 29 Apr 17 12.53pm Send a Private Message to 7mins Add 7mins as a friend

Is Islam a peaceful religion that treats everyone fairly?

If the answer is yes... then I have no problem with Islam.

If the answer is no... then I have a problem with Islam.

Man City have a player called Jesus, BBC 5 live made a joke about Jesus coming back (from injury) at Easter... during the overnight show they were discussing religion (they have a priest and a Muslim studio guests) a caller mentioned the joke, and asked if the player was called Allah, would they have made a joke about his name... the presenter said, no... all presenters know not to mock Allah... when pushed why, he admitted it was for fear of reprisal, and not a BBC broadcast rule.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 29 Apr 17 1.07pm

Originally posted by 7mins

Is Islam a peaceful religion that treats everyone fairly?

If the answer is yes... then I have no problem with Islam.

If the answer is no... then I have a problem with Islam.

Man City have a player called Jesus, BBC 5 live made a joke about Jesus coming back (from injury) at Easter... during the overnight show they were discussing religion (they have a priest and a Muslim studio guests) a caller mentioned the joke, and asked if the player was called Allah, would they have made a joke about his name... the presenter said, no... all presenters know not to mock Allah... when pushed why, he admitted it was for fear of reprisal, and not a BBC broadcast rule.

Yep yer right. Wasn't always that way, remember the blasphemy charges bought against Life of Brian? We've moved on a bit since then.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 29 Apr 17 1.20pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Yep yer right. Wasn't always that way, remember the blasphemy charges bought against Life of Brian? We've moved on a bit since then.

We had until an influx of religious fruit loops, defended avidly by the liberal left and business.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 29 Apr 17 1.22pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Yep yer right. Wasn't always that way, remember the blasphemy charges bought against Life of Brian? We've moved on a bit since then.

What a totally ridiculous comparison.

People were and are murdered for mocking Allah....What happened to Monty Python exactly?

No equivalency at all.


 


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Stirlingsays Flag 29 Apr 17 1.28pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

But it is true.

Now please go and read about Ismaili Muslims and then tell me why they need 'reforming' ?

?

They don't.

God the simple crap I have to put up with you. Do you actually understand my posts or do you deliberately misinterpret them?

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Apr 2017 1.31pm)

 


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legaleagle Flag 29 Apr 17 2.22pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

This is such a tired old mantra.
No one and I mean no one, blames all Muslims for terrorism unless that have no understanding whatsoever.
I have spent many weeks in Muslim countries having a great holiday and the people were friendly and helpful.(They were getting paid to be but still). That doesn't mean Muslims are not a problem in this country.

Israel is mostly Jewish and was formed entirely because of Jewish faith. Since Jewish settlement, Israel has systematically moved Palestinians off their own land. Have I got sympathy with Palestinians? Yes. Do I support the PLO or Hamas. No. Do I think Israeli Jews can reasonably defend their governments policy and claim Anti Semitism by critics? Absolutely not.

Let's just be honest.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Apr 2017 11.34am)

Let's just be honest...

You attribute negative characteristics to a whole complete group of people,just because of their religion or ethnicity....if you were doping this to a group based on them being of a different race,you would unquestionably be a ...racist...

Israeli jews...muslims...Brits...eskimos, the whole range of human behaviour is contained within each and every group..including those who are reactionary and intolerant of anyone not like them

Demonising whole groups for the sins of a dodgy minority who happen to be of a given religion or ethnicity gets (and never has got) nobody anywhere...least of all in "defeating" the minority in question.

Edited by legaleagle (29 Apr 2017 2.25pm)

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 29 Apr 17 2.46pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by legaleagle

Let's just be honest...

You attribute negative characteristics to a whole complete group of people,just because of their religion or ethnicity....if you were doping this to a group based on them being of a different race,you would unquestionably be a ...racist...

Israeli jews...muslims...Brits...eskimos, the whole range of human behaviour is contained within each and every group..including those who are reactionary and intolerant of anyone not like them

Demonising whole groups for the sins of a dodgy minority who happen to be of a given religion or ethnicity gets (and never has got) nobody anywhere...least of all in "defeating" the minority in question.

Edited by legaleagle (29 Apr 2017 2.25pm)

'Let's be honest?'

You are a member of the regressive left and I claim my five pounds....Let's be honest.

Again, you present a complete mischaracterisation of the argument inventing motivations that aren't there so you can deflect and demonise. I mean he states that it isn't a problem with all Muslims and then you go on and say that is what he is saying. One hundred percent regressive.

So you obviously ignore and refute what Islamic reformers say then?

Obviously so, and it's why they are so critical of people like you.

The 'regressive left' was a term phrased by Maajid Nawaz. It neatly describes what you, Nick and Kermy have done in this thread.

Essentially Islamic reformers are held back by the attitudes of people like you.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Apr 2017 2.48pm)

 


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Originally posted by legaleagle

Let's just be honest...

You attribute negative characteristics to a whole complete group of people,just because of their religion or ethnicity....if you were doping this to a group based on them being of a different race,you would unquestionably be a ...racist...

Israeli jews...muslims...Brits...eskimos, the whole range of human behaviour is contained within each and every group..including those who are reactionary and intolerant of anyone not like them

Demonising whole groups for the sins of a dodgy minority who happen to be of a given religion or ethnicity gets (and never has got) nobody anywhere...least of all in "defeating" the minority in question.

Edited by legaleagle (29 Apr 2017 2.25pm)

Ha.
I knew a mention of Palestine would get you flapping.

I'm not getting into your daft generalisations.
I haven't attributed negative characteristics to any group but it is your stock response to any criticism of anything by anyone. I'm very happy to slag of 'Brits' if they deserve it. If we all recognised and acknowledged faults in our own demographic then we might not have so many problems. Sadly, some are so entrenched or indoctrinated that they are incapable of self criticism or objectivity.

 

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