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hedgehog50 Croydon 17 Oct 17 9.53pm
Originally posted by elgrande How do you know what the hate crimes are,it could be muslims on jews,or on soldiers. Good point, could be feminists on men or lefties on white working class men. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 17 Oct 17 9.53pm

Originally posted by elgrande

How do you know what the hate crimes are,it could be muslims on jews,or on soldiers.

Good point, could be feminists on men or lefties on white working class men.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

cardiff eagle 17 Oct 17 9.54pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Of course they are important. The perps of those attacks are scum. And yes it will make people angry. But are people really so thick that they have to take it out on someone because they are brown. On the subject of an increase in hate crime on disabled people , I've seen hate crime described as backward, a private hate, something outside the public arena, the kind of thing driven by the very public, officially sanctioned, state hatred of counter-welfarism and PIPs. This could also have something to do with it. Yes they are that thick. And if you want to blame conservative government for hate crimes on disabled then that’s fine as that backs my point up. So in conclusion, you agree that Brexit and hate crime aren’t linked?!

cardiff eagle

17 Oct 17 9.54pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Of course they are important. The perps of those attacks are scum. And yes it will make people angry. But are people really so thick that they have to take it out on someone because they are brown.

On the subject of an increase in hate crime on disabled people , I've seen hate crime described as backward, a private hate, something outside the public arena, the kind of thing driven by the very public, officially sanctioned, state hatred of counter-welfarism and PIPs. This could also have something to do with it.

Yes they are that thick. And if you want to blame conservative government for hate crimes on disabled then that’s fine as that backs my point up. So in conclusion, you agree that Brexit and hate crime aren’t linked?!

elgrande bedford 17 Oct 17 9.54pm
Originally posted by nickgusset You said I say anyone to the right of stalin is a fascist ior Nazi, blatantly untrue. Now if you say anything a bit racisty, I will call you out on it. What have i said anything like that,you on the other hand are condoning violence... And you never did answer the question. Is the rapist still a member of momentum. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 17 Oct 17 9.54pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

You said I say anyone to the right of stalin is a fascist ior Nazi, blatantly untrue.
Now if you say anything a bit racisty, I will call you out on it.

What have i said anything like that,you on the other hand are condoning violence...
And you never did answer the question.

Is the rapist still a member of momentum.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

Penge Eagle Beckenham 17 Oct 17 10.16pm
Nick, as a Labour activist what are YOU doing to help stop the rise in anti-semitism with the Labour party and in particular, your mates at Momentum? its vice-chairwoman Jackie Walker springs to mind. There have been countless stories on this over the last year. Oh, and is that because of Brexit too?

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 17 Oct 17 10.16pm

Nick, as a Labour activist what are YOU doing to help stop the rise in anti-semitism with the Labour party and in particular, your mates at Momentum? its vice-chairwoman Jackie Walker springs to mind. There have been countless stories on this over the last year. Oh, and is that because of Brexit too?

Penge Eagle Beckenham 17 Oct 17 10.17pm
Originally posted by nickgusset You said I say anyone to the right of stalin is a fascist ior Nazi, blatantly untrue. Now if you say anything a bit racisty, I will call you out on it. Nick, as a Labour activist what are YOU doing to help stop the rise in anti-semitism with the Labour party and in particular, your mates at Momentum? its vice-chairwoman Jackie Walker springs to mind. There have been countless stories on this over the last year. Oh, and is that because of Brexit too?

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 17 Oct 17 10.17pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

You said I say anyone to the right of stalin is a fascist ior Nazi, blatantly untrue.
Now if you say anything a bit racisty, I will call you out on it.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Oct 17 10.18pm
Originally posted by elgrande What have i said anything like that,you on the other hand are condoning violence... And you never did answer the question. Is the rapist still a member of momentum. Says the man who said once (I paraphrase) 'You should be glad I'm in front of my computer and not in front of you because I don't know what I'd do to you' I condone violence if it stops violent fascists. I don't condone random acts of violence. What has the last line got to do with anything? How would I know, I'm not in momentum.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 17 Oct 17 10.18pm

Originally posted by elgrande

What have i said anything like that,you on the other hand are condoning violence...
And you never did answer the question.

Is the rapist still a member of momentum.

Says the man who said once (I paraphrase) 'You should be glad I'm in front of my computer and not in front of you because I don't know what I'd do to you'

I condone violence if it stops violent fascists. I don't condone random acts of violence.

What has the last line got to do with anything?
How would I know, I'm not in momentum.

Stirlingsays 17 Oct 17 10.25pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You were suggesting that people who fought against Hitler would feel betrayed. I'd say they would feel betrayed if they knew that Britain now prioritised immigrants over their grand children. My grandfather voted Labour most of his life and Labour activists today would just call him a racist and some of them no doubt a nazi.....even though he had shrapnel wounds from the war. Many modern day Labour activists couldn't tie his boot laces. They don't even like the country let alone have the gall to talk about a generation who fought for it. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

17 Oct 17 10.25pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You were suggesting that people who fought against Hitler would feel betrayed.

I'd say they would feel betrayed if they knew that Britain now prioritised immigrants over their grand children.

My grandfather voted Labour most of his life and Labour activists today would just call him a racist and some of them no doubt a nazi.....even though he had shrapnel wounds from the war.

Many modern day Labour activists couldn't tie his boot laces. They don't even like the country let alone have the gall to talk about a generation who fought for it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Penge Eagle Beckenham 17 Oct 17 10.26pm
Originally posted by nickgusset I condone violence if it stops violent fascists. I don't condone random acts of violence. So to defeat fascism, the best way is "organised" violence? And innocent cops and civilians get caught in the crossfire. Will you only stop when someone gets killed? We live in a civilised society with law and order. It's not the job of a bunch of anarchists to police the country. Outrageous views from you. You are teaching our children! Edited by Penge Eagle (17 Oct 2017 10.29pm)

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 17 Oct 17 10.26pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I condone violence if it stops violent fascists. I don't condone random acts of violence.

So to defeat fascism, the best way is "organised" violence? And innocent cops and civilians get caught in the crossfire. Will you only stop when someone gets killed? We live in a civilised society with law and order. It's not the job of a bunch of anarchists to police the country. Outrageous views from you. You are teaching our children!

Edited by Penge Eagle (17 Oct 2017 10.29pm)

elgrande bedford 17 Oct 17 10.32pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Says the man who said once (I paraphrase) 'You should be glad I'm in front of my computer and not in front of you because I don't know what I'd do to you' I condone violence if it stops violent fascists. I don't condone random acts of violence. What has the last line got to do with anything? How would I know, I'm not in momentum. I think that was something to with soldiers if i remember rightly. But i dont keep a little book on what people have said on here.....obviously you do. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 17 Oct 17 10.32pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Says the man who said once (I paraphrase) 'You should be glad I'm in front of my computer and not in front of you because I don't know what I'd do to you'

I condone violence if it stops violent fascists. I don't condone random acts of violence.

What has the last line got to do with anything?
How would I know, I'm not in momentum.

I think that was something to with soldiers if i remember rightly.
But i dont keep a little book on what people have said on here.....obviously you do.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

Hrolf The Ganger 17 Oct 17 10.38pm
Originally posted by nickgusset In response to a similar argument. Stop being a pillock. You edited my post because you know I'm right. And another insult. Obviouly there are different rules for you on General Talk.

Hrolf The Ganger

17 Oct 17 10.38pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

In response to a similar argument.
Stop being a pillock.

You edited my post because you know I'm right.

And another insult. Obviouly there are different rules for you on General Talk.

Mapletree Croydon 17 Oct 17 10.49pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You were suggesting that people who fought against Hitler would feel betrayed. I'd say they would feel betrayed if they knew that Britain now prioritised immigrants over their grand children. And I would say 2,500,000 Asians fought against Hitler in WW2 and 1,000,000 Indians fought in WW1.

Mapletree

Croydon 17 Oct 17 10.49pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You were suggesting that people who fought against Hitler would feel betrayed.

I'd say they would feel betrayed if they knew that Britain now prioritised immigrants over their grand children.

And I would say 2,500,000 Asians fought against Hitler in WW2 and 1,000,000 Indians fought in WW1.

Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 17 Oct 17 11.04pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle We are leaving the EU. Edited by Penge Eagle (17 Oct 2017 9.54pm) Hmm. Notice how all the mood music being churned out by the establishment recently is about how "we" are all suffering already because of the Brexit vote? And by Establishment I don't mean "lefties". George Osborn's Evening Standard (for example) could hardly be called a Champion of Socialism. If the Government allows a 52% referendum decision to be binding, which it has, then it should stop f**king about and get on with delivering what it's now bound to deliver. Instead, it's doing everything it conceivably can to stall and prolong the sham of attending meetings without actually doing anything constructive to move the process forward. Extensions, transitional arrangements, anything to delay the UK actually cutting its ties with all those EU systems and bodies. The cold war between the ultra-rich,right wing media owners on one side and big non-media UK corporates on the other continues to be played out in front of us, with both sides' cheerleaders in the Tory party playing their games and leaving we the people very poorly served indeed. Edited by Mr_Gristle (17 Oct 2017 11.07pm) Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

Mr_Gristle

In the land of Whelk Eaters 17 Oct 17 11.04pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

We are leaving the EU.

Edited by Penge Eagle (17 Oct 2017 9.54pm)

Hmm. Notice how all the mood music being churned out by the establishment recently is about how "we" are all suffering already because of the Brexit vote? And by Establishment I don't mean "lefties". George Osborn's Evening Standard (for example) could hardly be called a Champion of Socialism.

If the Government allows a 52% referendum decision to be binding, which it has, then it should stop f**king about and get on with delivering what it's now bound to deliver.

Instead, it's doing everything it conceivably can to stall and prolong the sham of attending meetings without actually doing anything constructive to move the process forward. Extensions, transitional arrangements, anything to delay the UK actually cutting its ties with all those EU systems and bodies.

The cold war between the ultra-rich,right wing media owners on one side and big non-media UK corporates on the other continues to be played out in front of us, with both sides' cheerleaders in the Tory party playing their games and leaving we the people very poorly served indeed.

Edited by Mr_Gristle (17 Oct 2017 11.07pm)

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 17 Oct 17 11.06pm
Double post Edited by Mr_Gristle (17 Oct 2017 11.06pm) Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

Mr_Gristle

In the land of Whelk Eaters 17 Oct 17 11.06pm

Double post

Edited by Mr_Gristle (17 Oct 2017 11.06pm)

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Oct 17 11.08pm
Originally posted by elgrande I think that was something to with soldiers if i remember rightly. But i dont keep a little book on what people have said on here.....obviously you do. No. I remember stuff. You can be violent if you diss her majesty's forces but not if you want to stop fascism. Of course stopping or calling out fascism isn't just about violence. Hearts and minds innit.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 17 Oct 17 11.08pm

Originally posted by elgrande

I think that was something to with soldiers if i remember rightly.
But i dont keep a little book on what people have said on here.....obviously you do.

No. I remember stuff.

You can be violent if you diss her majesty's forces but not if you want to stop fascism.

Of course stopping or calling out fascism isn't just about violence. Hearts and minds innit.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Oct 17 11.10pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You edited my post because you know I'm right. And another insult. Obviouly there are different rules for you on General Talk. No I edited the last bit out because it wasn't pertinent.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 17 Oct 17 11.10pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You edited my post because you know I'm right.

And another insult. Obviouly there are different rules for you on General Talk.

No I edited the last bit out because it wasn't pertinent.

CambridgeEagle Sydenham 18 Oct 17 9.38am
[Link] Sterling - this article has some interesting thoughts about the "marketplace for ideas" that you mentioned and I can't help but agreeing with a lot of it. Final paragraph very much how I feel about Brexit and what's implicit is the fear that the current government will not do anything differently in reality. It will just move power from one unrepresentative body to another, and leave us with no more say than we had beforehand.

CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 18 Oct 17 9.38am

[Link]

Sterling - this article has some interesting thoughts about the "marketplace for ideas" that you mentioned and I can't help but agreeing with a lot of it.

Final paragraph very much how I feel about Brexit and what's implicit is the fear that the current government will not do anything differently in reality. It will just move power from one unrepresentative body to another, and leave us with no more say than we had beforehand.

Penge Eagle Beckenham 18 Oct 17 10.05am
Originally posted by nickgusset No. I remember stuff. You can be violent if you diss her majesty's forces but not if you want to stop fascism. Of course stopping or calling out fascism isn't just about violence. Hearts and minds innit. As you think political violence is OK for those on the left, is it OK for the right also?

Penge Eagle

Beckenham 18 Oct 17 10.05am

Originally posted by nickgusset

No. I remember stuff.

You can be violent if you diss her majesty's forces but not if you want to stop fascism.

Of course stopping or calling out fascism isn't just about violence. Hearts and minds innit.

As you think political violence is OK for those on the left, is it OK for the right also?

Kermit8 Hevon 18 Oct 17 10.24am
Originally posted by Penge Eagle As you think political violence is OK for those on the left, is it OK for the right also? If some Aryan Nation dude on a march was harassing a passing jewish family in LA and you gave him a smack then you would be getting pats on the back from all. And do you know what? You wouldn't be feeling so badly about it yourself. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 18 Oct 17 10.24am

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

As you think political violence is OK for those on the left, is it OK for the right also?

If some Aryan Nation dude on a march was harassing a passing jewish family in LA and you gave him a smack then you would be getting pats on the back from all. And do you know what? You wouldn't be feeling so badly about it yourself.

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

hedgehog50 Croydon 18 Oct 17 10.48am
Originally posted by Kermit8 If some Aryan Nation dude on a march was harassing a passing jewish family in LA and you gave him a smack then you would be getting pats on the back from all. And do you know what? You wouldn't be feeling so badly about it yourself. The ends justify the means don't they comrade? We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 18 Oct 17 10.48am

Originally posted by Kermit8

The ends justify the means don't they comrade?

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Kermit8 Hevon 18 Oct 17 11.00am
Originally posted by hedgehog50 The ends justify the means don't they comrade? This'll cheer you up [Link] Big chest and massive boobs [Link]

Kermit8

Hevon 18 Oct 17 11.00am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

The ends justify the means don't they comrade?

This'll cheer you up

[Link]

Big chest and massive boobs

[Link]

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