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NickinOX Sailing country. 28 Jan 17 7.18pm
Originally posted by nickgusset History is in general, written by the victors. Clearly, you have not read the history of the American Civil War. Quite a bit of it is frighteningly pro-southern. It is only recently that has changed. If you come to a fork in the road, take it.
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Sailing country. 28 Jan 17 7.18pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

History is in general, written by the victors.

Clearly, you have not read the history of the American Civil War. Quite a bit of it is frighteningly pro-southern. It is only recently that has changed.

If you come to a fork in the road, take it.

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Hrolf The Ganger 28 Jan 17 7.28pm
Originally posted by nickgusset History is in general, written by the victors. History is often buried by the victors. The personality and political bent of historians has a big effect on the interpretation. You see this a lot in contemporary historical documentaries and books. The same must have applied to historians of the past. Of course, their work is reinterpreted for each generation. What will they make of Ancient Aliens on the History Channel in 1000 years, that is the big question.
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Originally posted by nickgusset

History is in general, written by the victors.

History is often buried by the victors.

The personality and political bent of historians has a big effect on the interpretation. You see this a lot in contemporary historical documentaries and books. The same must have applied to historians of the past. Of course, their work is reinterpreted for each generation.

What will they make of Ancient Aliens on the History Channel in 1000 years, that is the big question.

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 28 Jan 17 7.36pm
Originally posted by matt_himself Don't forget Pol Pot or Kim Jong. That spoilt it for me, I thought the OP was about genocide not a Zionist agenda. Edited by pefwin (28 Jan 2017 7.37pm) "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 28 Jan 17 7.36pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Don't forget Pol Pot or Kim Jong.

That spoilt it for me, I thought the OP was about genocide not a Zionist agenda.

Edited by pefwin (28 Jan 2017 7.37pm)

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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jamiemartin721 Reading 28 Jan 17 9.33pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Thanks. That makes it alright then. Churchill is exonerated because of Stalin and Mao's c***ishness. The salient point is that what separates them is how people rationalise the blood on their hands. The empire was also built on the suffering and carnage of others, in the name of profit. Whilst the likes of Lenin, Hitler and Stalin belong in a different league, the wealth of the west was built on the bones of millions as well "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 28 Jan 17 9.33pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Thanks. That makes it alright then. Churchill is exonerated because of Stalin and Mao's c***ishness.

The salient point is that what separates them is how people rationalise the blood on their hands. The empire was also built on the suffering and carnage of others, in the name of profit. Whilst the likes of Lenin, Hitler and Stalin belong in a different league, the wealth of the west was built on the bones of millions as well

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 28 Jan 17 9.53pm
There is a Churchill thread. Can we give respect to the victims and not score points? "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."
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Where you have to have an English ... 28 Jan 17 9.53pm

There is a Churchill thread.

Can we give respect to the victims and not score points?

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Hoof Hearted 29 Jan 17 10.33am
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Questionable 'history' by one Gideon Polya an Australian who has also written about what he calls a 'Zionist-subverted Australia'. Sources? Context? Also like the way he includes in his list of Churchill's crimes, deaths in India 1757-1947. Did not realise the Churchill had access to a time machine to go back to the 18th century to commit his wicked deeds. This is the last paragraph in the 'article' "Dear Reader, you can do your bit in the War against Zionist-Bush Lies by informing everyone you can and by eschewing any avoidable business dealings with people, institutions, corporations and countries involved in the Palestinian Genocide, the Muslim Holocaust and the looming Climate Genocide." Do you expect us to take Polya's nonsense seriously? Did that article honestly say that? If so, it ratifies my current strategy of not clicking on Gusset's dodgy links.... unless of course Churchill was capable of time travel? He was a very clever man though!
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Hoof Hearted 29 Jan 17 10.33am

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Questionable 'history' by one Gideon Polya an Australian who has also written about what he calls a 'Zionist-subverted Australia'. Sources? Context? Also like the way he includes in his list of Churchill's crimes, deaths in India 1757-1947. Did not realise the Churchill had access to a time machine to go back to the 18th century to commit his wicked deeds.
This is the last paragraph in the 'article'
"Dear Reader, you can do your bit in the War against Zionist-Bush Lies by informing everyone you can and by eschewing any avoidable business dealings with people, institutions, corporations and countries involved in the Palestinian Genocide, the Muslim Holocaust and the looming Climate Genocide."

Do you expect us to take Polya's nonsense seriously?

Did that article honestly say that?

If so, it ratifies my current strategy of not clicking on Gusset's dodgy links.... unless of course Churchill was capable of time travel?

He was a very clever man though!

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matt_himself Matataland 29 Jan 17 10.35am
Originally posted by pefwin That spoilt it for me, I thought the OP was about genocide not a Zionist agenda. Edited by pefwin (28 Jan 2017 7.37pm) You are not as funny as your think you are. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 29 Jan 17 10.35am

Originally posted by pefwin

That spoilt it for me, I thought the OP was about genocide not a Zionist agenda.

Edited by pefwin (28 Jan 2017 7.37pm)

You are not as funny as your think you are.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Hoof Hearted 29 Jan 17 10.41am
Originally posted by EaglesEaglesEagles [Link] Don't know how accurate this graphic is. It is specific to dictators and might seem a bit misleading because timescale isn't a factor, simply numbers of deaths. Also, active and passive action aren't one and the same. Nonetheless, potentially interesting. Surely this kind of information material could be utilised to produce a set of "Top Trumps" for Murderous Dictators? I can see the kids in the playground playing it quite happily discussing the merits of Hitlers Nazi penchant for genocide versus Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge bloodlust.
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Hoof Hearted 29 Jan 17 10.41am

Originally posted by EaglesEaglesEagles

[Link]

Don't know how accurate this graphic is.

It is specific to dictators and might seem a bit misleading because timescale isn't a factor, simply numbers of deaths. Also, active and passive action aren't one and the same.

Nonetheless, potentially interesting.

Surely this kind of information material could be utilised to produce a set of "Top Trumps" for Murderous Dictators?

I can see the kids in the playground playing it quite happily discussing the merits of Hitlers Nazi penchant for genocide versus Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge bloodlust.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 29 Jan 17 11.31am
Originally posted by Hoof Hearted Did that article honestly say that? If so, it ratifies my current strategy of not clicking on Gusset's dodgy links.... unless of course Churchill was capable of time travel? He was a very clever man though! Indeed Hoof, here is the relevant part: For your convenience, I have simply listed below an expanded list of immense crimes in which Churchill was complicit as a racist soldier, politician, mass murderer and holocaust-denying writer – indeed he was awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1953 for his numerous published works, especially his six-edition set The Second World War in which he ignored his deliberate, remorseless murder of 6-7 million Indians in 1943-1945 [ I have provided estimates of violent and non-violent avoidable deaths in square brackets]. 1. British Indian Holocaust (1.8 billion excess deaths, 1757-1947; 10 million killed in post-1857 Indian Mutiny reprisals; 1 million starved, 1895-1897 Indian Famine; 6-9 million starved, 1899-1900 Indian Famine; 6-7 million starved under Churchill, Bengali Holocaust 1943-1945]. (Now cue Nick banging on about context, sources etc zzz etc zzz etc) We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 29 Jan 17 11.31am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Did that article honestly say that?

If so, it ratifies my current strategy of not clicking on Gusset's dodgy links.... unless of course Churchill was capable of time travel?

He was a very clever man though!

Indeed Hoof, here is the relevant part:
For your convenience, I have simply listed below an expanded list of immense crimes in which Churchill was complicit as a racist soldier, politician, mass murderer and holocaust-denying writer – indeed he was awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1953 for his numerous published works, especially his six-edition set The Second World War in which he ignored his deliberate, remorseless murder of 6-7 million Indians in 1943-1945 [ I have provided estimates of violent and non-violent avoidable deaths in square brackets].

1. British Indian Holocaust (1.8 billion excess deaths, 1757-1947; 10 million killed in post-1857 Indian Mutiny reprisals; 1 million starved, 1895-1897 Indian Famine; 6-9 million starved, 1899-1900 Indian Famine; 6-7 million starved under Churchill, Bengali Holocaust 1943-1945].

(Now cue Nick banging on about context, sources etc zzz etc zzz etc)

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 29 Jan 17 3.30pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Indeed Hoof, here is the relevant part: For your convenience, I have simply listed below an expanded list of immense crimes in which Churchill was complicit as a racist soldier, politician, mass murderer and holocaust-denying writer – indeed he was awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1953 for his numerous published works, especially his six-edition set The Second World War in which he ignored his deliberate, remorseless murder of 6-7 million Indians in 1943-1945 [ I have provided estimates of violent and non-violent avoidable deaths in square brackets]. 1. British Indian Holocaust (1.8 billion excess deaths, 1757-1947; 10 million killed in post-1857 Indian Mutiny reprisals; 1 million starved, 1895-1897 Indian Famine; 6-9 million starved, 1899-1900 Indian Famine; 6-7 million starved under Churchill, Bengali Holocaust 1943-1945]. (Now cue Nick banging on about context, sources etc zzz etc zzz etc) I will hold my hands up and found the mouth frothingest article I could find on the subject. I knew someone would bite. Hehe. What are your thoughts on the more reasoned BBC article I linked earlier in the thread.
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Shizzlehurst 29 Jan 17 3.30pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

(Now cue Nick banging on about context, sources etc zzz etc zzz etc)

I will hold my hands up and found the mouth frothingest article I could find on the subject. I knew someone would bite. Hehe.

What are your thoughts on the more reasoned BBC article I linked earlier in the thread.

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Hrolf The Ganger 29 Jan 17 3.59pm
Originally posted by nickgusset I will hold my hands up and found the mouth frothingest article I could find on the subject. I knew someone would bite. Hehe. What are your thoughts on the more reasoned BBC article I linked earlier in the thread. You Trolling? Surely not. I am actually finding the liberal/left rantogeddon very amusing at the moment. Please don't stop.
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29 Jan 17 3.59pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I will hold my hands up and found the mouth frothingest article I could find on the subject. I knew someone would bite. Hehe.

What are your thoughts on the more reasoned BBC article I linked earlier in the thread.

You Trolling? Surely not.

I am actually finding the liberal/left rantogeddon very amusing at the moment.

Please don't stop.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 29 Jan 17 9.39pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You Trolling? Surely not. I am actually finding the liberal/left rantogeddon very amusing at the moment. Please don't stop. I give you about a fortnight at most...
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Shizzlehurst 29 Jan 17 9.39pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You Trolling? Surely not.

I am actually finding the liberal/left rantogeddon very amusing at the moment.

Please don't stop.

I give you about a fortnight at most...

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