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elgrande bedford 22 Sep 17 7.30pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston I get what you're saying but, at the same time, having a dash-mountable GPS unit in everyone's pocket put "the knowledge" on deathwatch. Uber is a nightmare of a company, but that's not the reason why black cab drivers are under pressure. I have not forgotten how many times (basically, every time) I tried to get a black cab to take me "south of the river" only to be told to f*** off. I also haven't forgotten the more recent experiences of having to pay 30 quid to go a couple of miles. To put it in another way,it would be like employing an electrician to come to your house to do some work,and watch him read "do it yourself electrics" book as he 're wires your house. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 22 Sep 17 7.30pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

I get what you're saying but, at the same time, having a dash-mountable GPS unit in everyone's pocket put "the knowledge" on deathwatch. Uber is a nightmare of a company, but that's not the reason why black cab drivers are under pressure.

I have not forgotten how many times (basically, every time) I tried to get a black cab to take me "south of the river" only to be told to f*** off. I also haven't forgotten the more recent experiences of having to pay 30 quid to go a couple of miles.

To put it in another way,it would be like employing an electrician to come to your house to do some work,and watch him read "do it yourself electrics" book as he 're wires your house.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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Ray in Houston Houston 22 Sep 17 8.11pm
Originally posted by YT Shout at me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the taxpayer subsidise all airlines, in that there's no duty on aviation fuel? There may not be VAT either (I honestly don't know). Although there is of course a tax on the 'customer' when buying a ticket. My understanding of VAT may be a little rusty / out of date, but it used to be that it weas paid only by the end customer. Therefore, if you bought something - like avgas - and "sold" it on to a customer as part of the cost that made up their ticket, then you were allowed to collect back any VAT you paid on the purchase. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Houston 22 Sep 17 8.11pm

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Originally posted by YT

Shout at me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the taxpayer subsidise all airlines, in that there's no duty on aviation fuel? There may not be VAT either (I honestly don't know). Although there is of course a tax on the 'customer' when buying a ticket.

My understanding of VAT may be a little rusty / out of date, but it used to be that it weas paid only by the end customer. Therefore, if you bought something - like avgas - and "sold" it on to a customer as part of the cost that made up their ticket, then you were allowed to collect back any VAT you paid on the purchase.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Ray in Houston Houston 22 Sep 17 8.16pm
Originally posted by elgrande A sat nav will only go said far,how many drivers get lost using the. Can it tell you where the German welfare council is,or the penal reform society...get into most black cabs and just give the name and he's gone. No putting the passenger's in danger constantly looking at the "gps" to make sure he's not getting lost. Well you can't order an Uber until you have told them where you're going. So, in that regard, you do just get in and go. As to the safety of the driver following his GPS, this is one of the problems with Uber as a company. I hate when the driver holds the phone in his hand or lap - it ought to be mounted on the dash at a minimum. I ding drivers on my rating if this happens, and explain exactly why in the comments. Following a GPS isn't inherently dangerous if you do it right. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Ray in Houston

Houston 22 Sep 17 8.16pm

Originally posted by elgrande

A sat nav will only go said far,how many drivers get lost using the.
Can it tell you where the German welfare council is,or the penal reform society...get into most black cabs and just give the name and he's gone.
No putting the passenger's in danger constantly looking at the "gps" to make sure he's not getting lost.

Well you can't order an Uber until you have told them where you're going. So, in that regard, you do just get in and go.

As to the safety of the driver following his GPS, this is one of the problems with Uber as a company. I hate when the driver holds the phone in his hand or lap - it ought to be mounted on the dash at a minimum. I ding drivers on my rating if this happens, and explain exactly why in the comments.

Following a GPS isn't inherently dangerous if you do it right.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Ray in Houston Houston 22 Sep 17 8.18pm
Originally posted by elgrande To put it in another way,it would be like employing an electrician to come to your house to do some work,and watch him read "do it yourself electrics" book as he 're wires your house. That is a terrible and inaccurate analogy. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Ray in Houston

Houston 22 Sep 17 8.18pm

Originally posted by elgrande

To put it in another way,it would be like employing an electrician to come to your house to do some work,and watch him read "do it yourself electrics" book as he 're wires your house.

That is a terrible and inaccurate analogy.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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elgrande bedford 22 Sep 17 9.04pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston That is a terrible and inaccurate analogy. No it's not,how long do you think it takes to complete the "knowledge". Roughly the same amount of time it takes to become an electrian. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 22 Sep 17 9.04pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

That is a terrible and inaccurate analogy.

No it's not,how long do you think it takes to complete the "knowledge".
Roughly the same amount of time it takes to become an electrian.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 Sep 17 9.07pm
Originally posted by elgrande No it's not,how long do you think it takes to complete the "knowledge". Roughly the same amount of time it takes to become an electrian. I think Gary Numan was an electrian.
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Shizzlehurst 22 Sep 17 9.07pm

Originally posted by elgrande

No it's not,how long do you think it takes to complete the "knowledge".
Roughly the same amount of time it takes to become an electrian.

I think Gary Numan was an electrian.

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elgrande bedford 22 Sep 17 9.09pm
Originally posted by nickgusset I think Gary Numan was an electrian. I thought he was in cars.....maybe uber. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 22 Sep 17 9.09pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

I think Gary Numan was an electrian.

I thought he was in cars.....maybe uber.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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martin2412 Living The Dream 22 Sep 17 10.06pm
All this nonsense about because it's cheap, then you should expect cr@p service is a load of rubbish. Ryanair, Easyjet and the likes charge for a service that once paid for should be provided no matter what. They have worked out what they need to charge to provide that advertised service, whilst making a profit. O'Leary has taken the money and should either supply the service or just get out and let someone else have a go. There'll be plenty of takers. And as for the snobbery, we all know what the budget airlines offer. It's basic get you from A to B with no frills. If you want a bit more comfort and pampering then book BA or Virgin.
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Living The Dream 22 Sep 17 10.06pm

All this nonsense about because it's cheap, then you should expect cr@p service is a load of rubbish.

Ryanair, Easyjet and the likes charge for a service that once paid for should be provided no matter what. They have worked out what they need to charge to provide that advertised service, whilst making a profit.

O'Leary has taken the money and should either supply the service or just get out and let someone else have a go. There'll be plenty of takers.

And as for the snobbery, we all know what the budget airlines offer. It's basic get you from A to B with no frills. If you want a bit more comfort and pampering then book BA or Virgin.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 Sep 17 10.24pm
Originally posted by martin2412 All this nonsense about because it's cheap, then you should expect cr@p service is a load of rubbish. Ryanair, Easyjet and the likes charge for a service that once paid for should be provided no matter what. They have worked out what they need to charge to provide that advertised service, whilst making a profit. O'Leary has taken the money and should either supply the service or just get out and let someone else have a go. There'll be plenty of takers. And as for the snobbery, we all know what the budget airlines offer. It's basic get you from A to B with no frills. If you want a bit more comfort and pampering then book BA or Virgin. It's his own fault his shocking treatment of pilots effectively working as part of a gig economy. He didn't get rotas wrong, all the pilots went to Norwegian Air who have much better t+c's. A rare moment in capitalism where the boss gets what's deserved. Shame Joe Public comes off worst (as usual)
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Shizzlehurst 22 Sep 17 10.24pm

Originally posted by martin2412

All this nonsense about because it's cheap, then you should expect cr@p service is a load of rubbish.

O'Leary has taken the money and should either supply the service or just get out and let someone else have a go. There'll be plenty of takers.

And as for the snobbery, we all know what the budget airlines offer. It's basic get you from A to B with no frills. If you want a bit more comfort and pampering then book BA or Virgin.

It's his own fault his shocking treatment of pilots effectively working as part of a gig economy. He didn't get rotas wrong, all the pilots went to Norwegian Air who have much better t+c's.

A rare moment in capitalism where the boss gets what's deserved. Shame Joe Public comes off worst (as usual)

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 22 Sep 17 10.34pm
Originally posted by nickgusset It's his own fault his shocking treatment of pilots effectively working as part of a gig economy. He didn't get rotas wrong, all the pilots went to Norwegian Air who have much better t+c's. A rare moment in capitalism where the boss gets what's deserved. Shame Joe Public comes off worst (as usual) I agree & nothing wrong with what the pilots did. I had a similar experience when working in Crawley. A big SUV turned up & asked all of us Carpenters what we were earning he offered us an extra 1.50 an hour but we had to start on Monday (This was in the 80s when Maidenbower village was being built) the first guy wouldnt match the second guy so 90% of us jacked in & went and worked for the new guy. Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 22 Sep 17 10.34pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

It's his own fault his shocking treatment of pilots effectively working as part of a gig economy. He didn't get rotas wrong, all the pilots went to Norwegian Air who have much better t+c's.

A rare moment in capitalism where the boss gets what's deserved. Shame Joe Public comes off worst (as usual)

I agree & nothing wrong with what the pilots did. I had a similar experience when working in Crawley. A big SUV turned up & asked all of us Carpenters what we were earning he offered us an extra 1.50 an hour but we had to start on Monday (This was in the 80s when Maidenbower village was being built) the first guy wouldnt match the second guy so 90% of us jacked in & went and worked for the new guy.

Pro USA & Israel

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.TUX. 22 Sep 17 10.49pm
I've not read the whole thread but re- Ryanair, or any airline for that matter...................look after those that fly the friggin' plane. Buy Litecoin.
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22 Sep 17 10.49pm

I've not read the whole thread but re- Ryanair, or any airline for that matter...................look after those that fly the friggin' plane.

Buy Litecoin.

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Ray in Houston Houston 22 Sep 17 10.52pm
Originally posted by elgrande No it's not,how long do you think it takes to complete the "knowledge". Roughly the same amount of time it takes to become an electrian. An electrician's the primary job is wiring and stuff, for which he/she has been trained and licensed. An Uber driver's primary job is driving the car, for which he/she has been trained and licensed. That's the appropriate analogy. Navigation for an Uber driver is provided by the app, so no navigation skills are required, which is kind of the point. We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.
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Ray in Houston

Houston 22 Sep 17 10.52pm

Originally posted by elgrande

No it's not,how long do you think it takes to complete the "knowledge".
Roughly the same amount of time it takes to become an electrian.

An electrician's the primary job is wiring and stuff, for which he/she has been trained and licensed. An Uber driver's primary job is driving the car, for which he/she has been trained and licensed. That's the appropriate analogy.

Navigation for an Uber driver is provided by the app, so no navigation skills are required, which is kind of the point.

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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