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Stirlingsays Flag 06 Jan 20 12.04pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Ultimately, when push comes to shove, if you are a European and you aren't with the US then you're nothing but a useful idiot.

Because the US's enemies would just as well cut your neck as Trump's.

This doesn't mean that you have to agree with everything however or even keep quiet. But it does mean that you should know which side your bread is buttered.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jan 2020 12.05pm)

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 06 Jan 20 1.42pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Up to 25% of the muslim world would gladly see the west gone.
Maybe the west is the same I dont know.
Basically if your not with them and their beliefs you are against them.
Before the shout down IMO basically this is about religion.
Do you think planes flew into buildings because we might want their oil.

 

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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 06 Jan 20 3.35pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

It's an election campaign year in America. A war stimulates (initially) the economy and also creates a wave of patriotism. Look what the Falklands war did for Maggie Thatcher.

Trump isn't as much of a mug as people seem. He's playing a political game, where (somewhat to his credit), he has previously sought political/trade resolutions with other countries, rather than military options.

Killing that Iranian General seems quite reckless. I don't think they've thought the whole scenario through, to the extent that other countries are taking sides.

Trump is going to have to pull something special in the Summer/Autumn, to boost his popularity. Let's hope we're all around to see him fck it up.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 06 Jan 20 3.41pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

It's an election campaign year in America. A war stimulates (initially) the economy and also creates a wave of patriotism. Look what the Falklands war did for Maggie Thatcher.

Trump isn't as much of a mug as people seem. He's playing a political game, where (somewhat to his credit), he has previously sought political/trade resolutions with other countries, rather than military options.

Killing that Iranian General seems quite reckless. I don't think they've thought the whole scenario through, to the extent that other countries are taking sides.

Trump is going to have to pull something special in the Summer/Autumn, to boost his popularity. Let's hope we're all around to see him fck it up.

There's not going to be WW3...the title is a p1ss take... Iran simply don't have that level of support.

And the Democrats are completely loony tunes so lets hope that the closest they get to the office is by buying the boxset.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jan 2020 3.42pm)

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 06 Jan 20 6.08pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

On LBC tonite there was a great commentator on at about 4ish.
Basically this Iranian dude bought his end by attacking the American embassy.hypothetically obviously his militia.
It embarrassed the usa so he gone.
Trump isnt the psycho you think.
Imagine all these despots now wondering wheres the next drone,is it for me?
Clearly thought out and for a reason.
I feel it could bring the opposite of war and a peace between states and countries.
If trump loses the next election then it's going south.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 06 Jan 20 6.22pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

On LBC tonite there was a great commentator on at about 4ish.
Basically this Iranian dude bought his end by attacking the American embassy.hypothetically obviously his militia.
It embarrassed the usa so he gone.
Trump isnt the psycho you think.
Imagine all these despots now wondering wheres the next drone,is it for me?
Clearly thought out and for a reason.
I feel it could bring the opposite of war and a peace between states and countries.
If trump loses the next election then it's going south.

Yep, here we are seeing both the soft and the hard power of the US in action.

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 Jan 20 8.52pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yep, here we are seeing both the soft and the hard power of the US in action.

Carry on up the USA

 


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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 06 Jan 20 9.43pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

There's not going to be WW3...the title is a p1ss take... Iran simply don't have that level of support.

And the Democrats are completely loony tunes so lets hope that the closest they get to the office is by buying the boxset.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jan 2020 3.42pm)

Much to the chagrin of Maine Eagle I wager (who's he?) Trump is pretty much nailed on to win 2020.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 06 Jan 20 11.33pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

I have very mixed feelings about this. Whilst I agree it is very unlikely to be the precursor for WW3 it could spark a significant worsening of the problems in the middle east.

Part of me detests seeing the world's leading democracy behaving unlawfully. They aren't at war with Iran and provocation ought not be a reason to lower your own standards. Demonstrating to the world at large that you are above such things shows leadership and how to be responsible.

Another part of me understands the cold hard realities and the benefits of intimidation via the demonstration of superior technology and power.

Would it have been better to have done this more quietly, via some kind of proxy, thus providing believable deniability? That would have given cover for the allies and the rest of the world, even if Iran would still be mad. That it was immediately acknowledged as a "hit" by Trump, and positioned as a great victory, speaks more of playing to internal US politics in an election year than a carefully analysed military strategy.

As the only long term solution has to be regime change in Iran will this make it more or less likely? It seems the jury is still out on that and I don't have an opinion yet either.

What worries me most is having Trump as the Commander in Chief. I just don't have any confidence that he is listening to, and taking advice from, his senior military commanders. Is there a long term strategy? Is there any kind of strategy beyond wanting to look more decisive than Obama?

Where will this leave us? Will we, as we should, try to be, together with our European allies, the voices of reason? Or will we, in the post Brexit period, feel the need to cosy up to Trump to ensure his ego is sufficiently lubricated? The very fact that such thoughts come to mind makes me feel that this has much more to do with US politics than concerns about Iran's regional aspirations or nuclear capabilities.

If we see Johnson using weasel words to brown nose Trump in the coming days then my fears will be proved correct.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (07 Jan 2020 12.05am)

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 06 Jan 20 11.36pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Jimenez

Much to the chagrin of Maine Eagle I wager (who's he?) Trump is pretty much nailed on to win 2020.

Trump batsman or bowler?

 


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serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 07 Jan 20 3.11am Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Iran has been in a state of internal political turmoil for the past few years due to the crippling effects of embargo Trump has placed on them.

Civil unrest was growing and with it probably a desire for armistice with the US.

But Trump has undone all of that. Now the Iranians have a martyr, and now their political leaders can point away from their corruption and economic weakness towards a renewed sense of nationalism and hatred of the West.

And all for what? So that Trump can avoid scrutiny at home and potentially boost his numbers for the election.

This is a man who ducked out of Vietnam for a bullsh*t medical condition. He's now risking the lives of thousands of US citizens for personal gain.

The middle East will never be resolved until we get real about the reasons we are actually involved there.

 


If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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dannyboy1978 Flag 07 Jan 20 7.33am Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

All of these limp lefties condemning trump is hilarious. They have killed a man responsible for countless terrorist attacks and deaths and who arranged the bombing of a US embassy.

The libral left are so hell bent on hating trump they now come across as supporting terrorists!!

Looking at this it looks like more people in Iran will be happy with reform and change
As will the west. Win Win.
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Edited by dannyboy1978 (07 Jan 2020 7.49am)

 

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