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A1969Eagle Flag Redhill 20 Jul 20 10.25pm

Go Roy Go Roy,, Sunday should be your last day
Ive really had enough now
Whats his problem. really come on the people who think Roy should stay.Why?
What is about trying to keep the score down
10 minutes left and Wolves are replacing players but we are going nowhere.
WHY WONT YOU USE SUBSTITUTES!
If you wont, dont put any on the bench
ABSOLUTE CLUELESS ABOUT HAVING A GO
Our kids deserve 5 min cameo to run around at the end..
What trust do i have that you will use younger players next year.
ABSOLUTELY NONE!

 
A1969Eagle Flag Redhill 20 Jul 20 10.28pm

Read please the Sorloth discussion, he wont ever be back.
He did the right way and left, he was being destroyed by Roys attitude to forward play

Pleased you support ROY to go!!


Originally posted by paul11974

Do the right thing roy and enjoy retirement and a message to the board bring back sorloth and invest in the areas we all know we need investing in

 
ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 26 Jul 20 4.03pm

Let's see if he waves goodbye to the empty stadium at the end of the game.

 

Red and Blue Army!
jeeagles Flag 26 Jul 20 4.08pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I'm nowhere near his age and don't want to put up with this.

Assuming that he's a millionaire a few times over. You have to wonder what motivates him/how motivated he is.

 
G O Eagle Flag 26 Jul 20 4.50pm

Why shouldn't he?

At the back of eight straight defeats slightly humiliating, but the team still survived in the PL.

Aften an opening 8 straight defeats next season, which is very likely, it is going to be worse.

So for him as well as the club, it is time.

 
Jacey Flag 26 Jul 20 4.51pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

Assuming that he's a millionaire a few times over. You have to wonder what motivates him/how motivated he is.

Don't think he is motivated any longer.
Speculation rife that board( bored!!) are talking to Dyche and who can possibly blame them as we complete our eighth defeat in a row,a club record.

 
southnorwoodhill Flag 26 Jul 20 5.03pm

Hodgson is still looking for that blade of grass in front of the dugout.

 
CT Charlie Flag 26 Jul 20 11.49pm

For his sake, I'd like to see him step down and enjoy life without the worries of Covid and the precarious position of the club with its parsimonious owners. However, he may see coaching - in a protected environment - as a good way to get out of the house, have "fun," and stay relevant, especially if he likes many of the players. And if he left now, the new manager would have less time than usual to get to know the squad. Here's hoping there's a succession plan in place - for 2021-22 at the latest.

 
PatrickA Flag London 27 Jul 20 7.23am

There are just over 6 weeks until the new season starts.
We have Cahill, Tomkins, Benteke, Sakho and PVA injured and possibly not ready for the new season.
We have the uncertainty of Zaha’s future and also uncertainty around Wickham and Meyer.
We are also supposedly looking at recruiting a number of younger players.
That’s a lot to take on board in six weeks and probably means it’s doesn’t make sense to include a change of manager to add to all the uncertainty.
Personally I would have liked a change to have been made, but I can see from the club’s perspective that it could be a high risk strategy with a new season around the corner.
Perhaps a case of better the devil you know.

 
doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 27 Jul 20 8.33am

Originally posted by PatrickA

There are just over 6 weeks until the new season starts.
We have Cahill, Tomkins, Benteke, Sakho and PVA injured and possibly not ready for the new season.
We have the uncertainty of Zaha’s future and also uncertainty around Wickham and Meyer.
We are also supposedly looking at recruiting a number of younger players.
That’s a lot to take on board in six weeks and probably means it’s doesn’t make sense to include a change of manager to add to all the uncertainty.
Personally I would have liked a change to have been made, but I can see from the club’s perspective that it could be a high risk strategy with a new season around the corner.
Perhaps a case of better the devil you know.


Agree. Too much to do, too little time to do it and too much at stake.

If the board are looking to bring in several younger players, their focus needs to be on getting those signings over the line as quickly as possible so they will be available when pre-season training starts in 3 weeks time. Consequently, unless they actually have a new manager ready to sign on the dotted line and start this week, the safest thing is to stick with Roy, who after all has delivered what the board has wanted over the last 3 seasons with a minimum nett spend.

 
southnorwoodhill Flag 27 Jul 20 8.40am

Hodgson most certainly is not the person to take any youth project on. I'd also suggest he doesn't like flair or maverick type players, because they don't fit into his footballing philosophy. He has managed to turn Wilf into a mere shadow of his former self. No, the ideal player in Hodgson's mind is a Gary Cahill type, a huffer and puffer with minimum technical ability, patrols the area designated and sticks to the "shape" ideal obediently. How do we know? Ray Lewington said so. It's no coincidence that Cahill, McCarthy, and Kouyate are the work of Hodgson. Dull and uninspiring footballers just like the dull and uninspiring manager. Steve Parish I do hope you are working behind the scenes to bring someone fresh in.

 
Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Jul 20 8.50am

Originally posted by southnorwoodhill

Hodgson most certainly is not the person to take any youth project on. I'd also suggest he doesn't like flair or maverick type players, because they don't fit into his footballing philosophy. He has managed to turn Wilf into a mere shadow of his former self. No, the ideal player in Hodgson's mind is a Gary Cahill type, a huffer and puffer with minimum technical ability, patrols the area designated and sticks to the "shape" ideal obediently. How do we know? Ray Lewington said so. It's no coincidence that Cahill, McCarthy, and Kouyate are the work of Hodgson. Dull and uninspiring footballers just like the dull and uninspiring manager. Steve Parish I do hope you are working behind the scenes to bring someone fresh in.

I have heard similar sentiments expressed recently by those who have come to the conclusion that Hodgson needs to be replaced for the reasons stated in the post.However there was no criticism of Cahill!

The view was that we can sign all the players we like but at the end of the day the 'Hodgson way' will prevail, where rigid shape and playing within a 'Straitjacket' will once again bore us into slack-jawed somnolence.

Edited by Willo (27 Jul 2020 8.54am)

 
Alexi_the_Eagle Flag Newton-le-Willows 27 Jul 20 8.57am

Originally posted by G O Eagle

Why shouldn't he?

At the back of eight straight defeats slightly humiliating, but the team still survived in the PL.

Aften an opening 8 straight defeats next season, which is very likely, it is going to be worse.

So for him as well as the club, it is time.[/quote

There’s that Palace positivity, Nostradamus. Pessimistic cynicism and misery - isn’t it lovely? If Roy does go next season after we start poorly, then so be it.

PS - Get Your crystal ball fixed.

 

"Look at that. Accident blackspot? These aren't accidents! They're throwing themselves into the road gladly! Throwing themselves into the road to escape all this hideousness!"

taylors lovechild Flag 27 Jul 20 9.17am

Barring health issues, the only way I see Roy not being in charge come 12th September is if the rumours are true that we want Dyche and he tells Palace it's now or never.

The way Roy set-up this season was to have 8 defensive players with the idea that the front three could try and produce something up top. Ayew was the only one who really produced and hence we didn't score. If Wilf had played like last year we would possibly have had 10 more goals and 10 more points. Roy himself has said we need attacking players and are aiming to bring in youth, all this talk around here of only wanting old workhorses doesn't ring true to me.

 
Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 27 Jul 20 9.25am

A lot of talk about Dyche but I cannot understand why he would leave a fairly stable team with crap players and no money for investment for an unstable team with crap players and no money for investment?

We're in a dire situation with playing staff and now Wilf almost certain to leave. Yes, Hodgson bores me to tears sometimes but I only think he is half the problem, if we change manager but nothing else it will be an unnecessary gamble, I think 'better the devil you know' has already been mentioned.

I also think the suggestion we got one point out of our last 8 means a change is needed is nonsense we've been in danger of a run like that all season, it still feels miraculous we have stayed up.

 

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 27 Jul 20 10.04am

Well, to the best of my knowledge, Roy didn't retire yesterday, so it's surely time to close this thread down and those who want to continue to debate the pros and cons of Roy staying on can do so on the other two threads that cover that debate!

 
Den1923 Flag 27 Jul 20 10.23am

Originally posted by doombear

Well, to the best of my knowledge, Roy didn't retire yesterday, so it's surely time to close this thread down and those who want to continue to debate the pros and cons of Roy staying on can do so on the other two threads that cover that debate!

I fully agree, I for one am happy he did not as it would be madness to plunge us in to a change right now, Roy has done a great job keeping us for the last three year with a very mediocre squad. He cannot be blamed for Zaha poor performance this past season as some have suggested that is down to Zaha who has been sulking ever since he could not get the move he wanted last year. His performance yesterday was in complete contrast to other 10 who all played with fight and determination, you could see Zaha dropped shoulders and the look he had of I do not want to be here. Now is the time to get behind Roy and hope he gets the support he has been asking for in terms of team investment over several past window, This is of course not to say over the next 12 months we need succession planning in place for Roy but in the meantime let's hope new faces arrive and we can still be PL at the end of next season and end this thread as has been suggested!

 
A1969Eagle Flag Redhill 27 Jul 20 10.25am

Who will teach the new players and improve them, it wont be Roy.. no one else in the first coaching set up.
First words to new younger players.. "Ok lads time to forget all you learned, you just need to learn Plan A, its simple its boring, its just based to get to 40 points then we can do it again next year... ps get a good cushion for the bench!"

Apart from playing Ayew in a free role which suits him, what has Roy done to improve any of players, and you wnat to risk him with new players so their values fall.. Take a good look at Southampton and the way they do things, excellent youth outlook and players know if the go there, how many have later springboard to top teams...


Originally posted by doombear


Agree. Too much to do, too little time to do it and too much at stake.

If the board are looking to bring in several younger players, their focus needs to be on getting those signings over the line as quickly as possible so they will be available when pre-season training starts in 3 weeks time. Consequently, unless they actually have a new manager ready to sign on the dotted line and start this week, the safest thing is to stick with Roy, who after all has delivered what the board has wanted over the last 3 seasons with a minimum nett spend.

 
A1969Eagle Flag Redhill 27 Jul 20 10.38am

sorry but fellow fans just dont get it
Who in the right mind, unless its a final contract for the player, will players want to come and play Roys Plan A and negative tactics.
If the player has a choice of two premier clubs, its very unlikely to be us. If we are the only team after him, that says it all...

Roy add no value to our team, their values fall.
Who did he want to blood yesterday against Spurs.. no one.. He wont change next year.

If you are trying to pick players that should buy, think why would they be a "Roys" player. Whenever a new manager arrives "Roys" fav players will be gone, you see this every match, if they can walk, they can play


He is clueless to provide tactics to make a forward play plan, he wants his wingers to cover the full back.
For Zaha, in his shoes I would hate to stuck in a negative based team, no wonder he is in a rut and just doesn't want to do Roys tactics, hes tried and he knows they dont work for forwards, move on Zaha or Roy move on and then under a new manager we will likely see a rejuvenated Zaha!!

Ps Brighton had a poor season.. yet finished two points behind Palace, get real to what our season was.. Newcastle had a bad season, they finished above Palace

Originally posted by Den1923

I fully agree, I for one am happy he did not as it would be madness to plunge us in to a change right now, Roy has done a great job keeping us for the last three year with a very mediocre squad. He cannot be blamed for Zaha poor performance this past season as some have suggested that is down to Zaha who has been sulking ever since he could not get the move he wanted last year. His performance yesterday was in complete contrast to other 10 who all played with fight and determination, you could see Zaha dropped shoulders and the look he had of I do not want to be here. Now is the time to get behind Roy and hope he gets the support he has been asking for in terms of team investment over several past window, This is of course not to say over the next 12 months we need succession planning in place for Roy but in the meantime let's hope new faces arrive and we can still be PL at the end of next season and end this thread as has been suggested!

 
Badger11 Flag Beckenham 27 Jul 20 10.39am

Originally posted by A1969Eagle

Who will teach the new players and improve them, it wont be Roy.. no one else in the first coaching set up.
First words to new younger players.. "Ok lads time to forget all you learned, you just need to learn Plan A, its simple its boring, its just based to get to 40 points then we can do it again next year... ps get a good cushion for the bench!"

Apart from playing Ayew in a free role which suits him, what has Roy done to improve any of players, and you wnat to risk him with new players so their values fall.. Take a good look at Southampton and the way they do things, excellent youth outlook and players know if the go there, how many have later springboard to top teams...


If I was a young defender I would like to play under Roy I think this is his real strength and I think Mitchell and Ferguson will benefit from it plus playing along sides the like of Cahill and Dann.

If I was an attack minded player I would be looking elsewhere to lean my trade.

 

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