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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 12 May 21 9.41am

Just had a quick read of the BBS on the Hartlepool outcome. Very predictably most on there are blaming the voters for being stupid and not understanding what they were voting for.

That just about sums up the hard left, blame the voters never the policies.

And naturally they are outraged over the bill to force people to provide photo id when they vote.

So hands up if you don't have one of the following:

Passport
Photo Driving Licence
Freedom Pass / Oyster photo card
EU Id Card (loads of Remainers must have this)
others*

*The government has not yet announced the list so I expect there will be some horse trading in the trial I took part in they included birth certificate, and utility bills.

I got a provisional driving licence (£20-30).

Now all the government needs to do is sort out the people on the roll who shouldn't be there and the postal voting fraud.


Edited by Badger11 (12 May 2021 9.51am)

 


One more point

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 12 May 21 12.39pm

The basic point where Labour need to change is to highlight tax abuses. Ensure the wealthiest pay tax and reduce the tax burden on the average worker. That will give them votes. Improve services, highlight that. That would give them votes.
They need to take any identity politics and groupings out of their rhetoric. It doesn't go down well with the less wealthy, it's more suited to bearded focus groups in 'uni'.

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 12 May 21 2.31pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

The basic point where Labour need to change is to highlight tax abuses. Ensure the wealthiest pay tax and reduce the tax burden on the average worker. That will give them votes. Improve services, highlight that. That would give them votes.
They need to take any identity politics and groupings out of their rhetoric. It doesn't go down well with the less wealthy, it's more suited to bearded focus groups in 'uni'.

The solution to the tax issue is simple.
Flat rate on all you earn above 12500
Say 15% then say 5% NI , none of this upper limits, just a flat amount across the board.
From every pound you earn hmg gets 20p.
That's not hard to do and this would be before any philanthropy and other 'ways around'.
Those figures were for an ie only. Danh and others would know more about earnings and tax in the UK I'm sure as they are money peoples.
Now that's a vote winner

 

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 12 May 21 2.42pm

Originally posted by cryrst

The solution to the tax issue is simple.
Flat rate on all you earn above 12500
Say 15% then say 5% NI , none of this upper limits, just a flat amount across the board.
From every pound you earn hmg gets 20p.
That's not hard to do and this would be before any philanthropy and other 'ways around'.
Those figures were for an ie only. Danh and others would know more about earnings and tax in the UK I'm sure as they are money peoples.
Now that's a vote winner

Fair comment. The other part of this would be to have a flat rate corporate rax, with no loopholes. Keep it low but ensure everyone pays. No more rich or corporate tax dodgers. I think most would agree with that.

 


Red and Blue Army!

Matov Flag 12 May 21 5.59pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

The basic point where Labour need to change is to highlight tax abuses. Ensure the wealthiest pay tax and reduce the tax burden on the average worker. That will give them votes. Improve services, highlight that. That would give them votes.

They need to take any identity politics and groupings out of their rhetoric. It doesn't go down well with the less wealthy, it's more suited to bearded focus groups in 'uni'.

The thing is that all I see is Labour already doing the first part. Made all the promises in their 2019 manifesto and constantly banging on about improving services (and to be fair, they actually have some reasonable ideas on this. No point in pretending not).

But your second point is literally impossible for them. Identity politics is now so deeply woven into their collective political DNA that it is impossible. They simply are far, far to down the rabbit hole. This is their fundamental weakness. Trans rights are a priority for them all. Critical Race Theory is a priority for them all. On a local level, if they focus on the basics, they can actually be quite effective. Preston is a great example where a Labour council have, largely under the radar, made a difference. Introduced some rather clever community projects.

However nationally, they are utterly woke. Institutionally so. There is no going back for them and that picture of Starmer taking the knee will haunt him forever. But which Labour heavy-weight did not go down like a sack of spuds last year?

Any voice on the Left that does not toe the party line on a whole range of issues that puts them at complete odds with the voters they need to reach are destroyed. They could barely survive in most local Labour associations, let alone ever make it through the candidate selection process.

For any potential Labour candidate on the TV, they can be destroyed by and every third rate presenter who wants to tie them in knots over the Gender issue. That simple.

Labour are no longer fit for any kind of formal electoral politics. A glorified protest movement now. That is it.

 


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