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Hrolf The Ganger 26 Jun 19 1.53pm
We didn't even get the upfront 50 million according to SKY. I for one hope he has a nightmare at United. I am a Palace fan, not his dad.

Hrolf The Ganger

26 Jun 19 1.53pm

We didn't even get the upfront 50 million according to SKY.

I for one hope he has a nightmare at United. I am a Palace fan, not his dad.

AmericanEagle West Yorkshire 26 Jun 19 2.13pm
Yup, screwed again Originally posted by PatrickA It’s been reported that there is no inclusion of a sell on clause on the AWB deal and no removal of the clause on the Zaha deal. If this is correct it would seem to me that we have a short term need to get a lot of money in as opposed to taking a longer view. Taking into account our relatively limited spending in recent windows I am concerned about the clubs finances moving forward. Freedman’s role seems to be very much about cost cutting and the players we have been linked with this window are again free transfers, potential loans or players with buy out clauses. I acknowledge that we don’t want to repeat expensive mistakes of the last few years but don’t see why we can’t compete for younger players as e.g Bournemouth did for Brooks and Leicester did for Maddison. Edited by AmericanEagle (26 Jun 2019 2.15pm) Edited by AmericanEagle (26 Jun 2019 2.16pm)

AmericanEagle

West Yorkshire 26 Jun 19 2.13pm

Yup, screwed again

Originally posted by PatrickA

It’s been reported that there is no inclusion of a sell on clause on the AWB deal and no removal of the clause on the Zaha deal.
If this is correct it would seem to me that we have a short term need to get a lot of money in as opposed to taking a longer view.
Taking into account our relatively limited spending in recent windows I am concerned about the clubs finances moving forward.
Freedman’s role seems to be very much about cost cutting and the players we have been linked with this window are again free transfers, potential loans or players with buy out clauses.
I acknowledge that we don’t want to repeat expensive mistakes of the last few years but don’t see why we can’t compete for younger players as e.g Bournemouth did for Brooks and Leicester did for Maddison.

Edited by AmericanEagle (26 Jun 2019 2.15pm)

Edited by AmericanEagle (26 Jun 2019 2.16pm)

dreamwaverider London 26 Jun 19 2.21pm
Great result for us. Bet there could be a final divi to come knowing SP. Maybe cap the 25% WZ contribution at say £15M? Then sell him in two years for £125M when Wilf has helped us win the europa cup!!

dreamwaverider

London 26 Jun 19 2.21pm

Great result for us. Bet there could be a final divi to come knowing SP. Maybe cap the 25% WZ contribution at say £15M? Then sell him in two years for £125M when Wilf has helped us win the europa cup!!

JohnB 26 Jun 19 2.21pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger We didn't even get the upfront 50 million according to SKY. I for one hope he has a nightmare at United. I am a Palace fan, not his dad. Virtually all deals are money in instalments. Next you’ll be outraged because they didn’t put a whole seasons worth of water on the pitch in one go.

JohnB

26 Jun 19 2.21pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

We didn't even get the upfront 50 million according to SKY.

I for one hope he has a nightmare at United. I am a Palace fan, not his dad.

Virtually all deals are money in instalments.

Next you’ll be outraged because they didn’t put a whole seasons worth of water on the pitch in one go.

Eaglecoops CR3 26 Jun 19 2.22pm
One site is already saying how good the Man Utd defender is at locking down wingers. He will be the most lauded defender in the land before the season even starts and don’t be surprised if Southgate all of a sudden decides he is good enough to be in the full England team. Look, I don’t care that that we are selling him provided the price is right however the current reported price is too low as far as I am concerned. He will be worth £80m by the end of next season.

Eaglecoops

CR3 26 Jun 19 2.22pm

One site is already saying how good the Man Utd defender is at locking down wingers. He will be the most lauded defender in the land before the season even starts and don’t be surprised if Southgate all of a sudden decides he is good enough to be in the full England team.

Look, I don’t care that that we are selling him provided the price is right however the current reported price is too low as far as I am concerned. He will be worth £80m by the end of next season.

dreamwaverider London 26 Jun 19 2.28pm
My view is its too much. One hell odf a deal for us. Well done SP. I reckon even a top 6 would have sold Aaron for that. He is not worth that YET. But he will be sorely missed by ALL Palace fans. And I also reckon in a few years time he will be one of the best right wing backs in the world. I could see him going to Spain next.

dreamwaverider

London 26 Jun 19 2.28pm

My view is its too much. One hell odf a deal for us. Well done SP. I reckon even a top 6 would have sold Aaron for that. He is not worth that YET. But he will be sorely missed by ALL Palace fans. And I also reckon in a few years time he will be one of the best right wing backs in the world. I could see him going to Spain next.

NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 26 Jun 19 2.28pm
Originally posted by PatrickA It’s been reported that there is no inclusion of a sell on clause on the AWB deal and no removal of the clause on the Zaha deal. If this is correct it would seem to me that we have a short term need to get a lot of money in as opposed to taking a longer view. Taking into account our relatively limited spending in recent windows I am concerned about the clubs finances moving forward. Freedman’s role seems to be very much about cost cutting and the players we have been linked with this window are again free transfers, potential loans or players with buy out clauses. I acknowledge that we don’t want to repeat expensive mistakes of the last few years but don’t see why we can’t compete for younger players as e.g Bournemouth did for Brooks and Leicester did for Maddison. Ok, so let's say Palace value Zaha at £80m. And the sell on would then be in the region of £16m due to Utd. To remove that clause and then demand £45m up front would value AWB at over £60m. It would seem that valuation was higher than Utd. would pay. Yes, I think we did need to generate funds in order to strengthen the squad. There isn't a lot of financial wiggle room at present. The key now is to get the right players in with the funds available. I've said all along that is a concern as I don't think there is widespread confidence in DF and Co. But we now have to wait and see what they come up with. As for Brooks and Maddison, I am sure most clubs in the Premier League including Palace had them somewhere on their radar, but Bournemouth took the plunge and I think he's surpassed expectations at how quickly he's had an impact. Maddison...we were never going to be able to afford £20m odd at that time. Old, Ungifted and White

NEILLO

Shoreham-by-Sea 26 Jun 19 2.28pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

Ok, so let's say Palace value Zaha at £80m. And the sell on would then be in the region of £16m due to Utd.

To remove that clause and then demand £45m up front would value AWB at over £60m. It would seem that valuation was higher than Utd. would pay.

Yes, I think we did need to generate funds in order to strengthen the squad. There isn't a lot of financial wiggle room at present.

The key now is to get the right players in with the funds available. I've said all along that is a concern as I don't think there is widespread confidence in DF and Co. But we now have to wait and see what they come up with.

As for Brooks and Maddison, I am sure most clubs in the Premier League including Palace had them somewhere on their radar, but Bournemouth took the plunge and I think he's surpassed expectations at how quickly he's had an impact. Maddison...we were never going to be able to afford £20m odd at that time.

Old, Ungifted and White

Midlands Eagle 26 Jun 19 2.33pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Look, I don’t care that that we are selling him provided the price is right however the current reported price is too low as far as I am concerned. He will be worth £80m by the end of next season. So how much will Trent Alexander-Arnold be worth then?

Midlands Eagle

26 Jun 19 2.33pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Look, I don’t care that that we are selling him provided the price is right however the current reported price is too low as far as I am concerned. He will be worth £80m by the end of next season.

So how much will Trent Alexander-Arnold be worth then?

Hrolf The Ganger 26 Jun 19 2.45pm
Originally posted by JohnB Virtually all deals are money in instalments. Next you’ll be outraged because they didn’t put a whole seasons worth of water on the pitch in one go. You clearly don't understand the difference between instalments and add ons. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 Jun 2019 2.46pm)

Hrolf The Ganger

26 Jun 19 2.45pm

Originally posted by JohnB

Virtually all deals are money in instalments.

Next you’ll be outraged because they didn’t put a whole seasons worth of water on the pitch in one go.

You clearly don't understand the difference between instalments and add ons.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 Jun 2019 2.46pm)

taylors lovechild 26 Jun 19 2.46pm
Originally posted by NEILLO Let's also not forget that Hodgson wouldn't let him go out on loan because he wanted to include him in his playing squad. He was being talked about for a while before his debut, but the step up from U23s to the first XI is a big one. Roy could have stuck someone in RB out of position, but he put his faith in AWB. I'm hoping we see another of the graduates step up this season. Kirby seems the most exciting prospect, and Dreher and Flanagan hovering too, plus we have a couple of centre backs such as Woods and Tavares who could get their chance. If AWB goes then let's just focus on the future. I think it's bright

taylors lovechild

26 Jun 19 2.46pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

Let's also not forget that Hodgson wouldn't let him go out on loan because he wanted to include him in his playing squad.

He was being talked about for a while before his debut, but the step up from U23s to the first XI is a big one. Roy could have stuck someone in RB out of position, but he put his faith in AWB.

I'm hoping we see another of the graduates step up this season. Kirby seems the most exciting prospect, and Dreher and Flanagan hovering too, plus we have a couple of centre backs such as Woods and Tavares who could get their chance. If AWB goes then let's just focus on the future. I think it's bright

JohnB 26 Jun 19 3.05pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You clearly don't understand the difference between instalments and add ons. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 Jun 2019 2.46pm) I do, which is why I understand it’s 45 million spread over 2 years and 5m in add ons. But no, you’re right, let’s burn the place down!

JohnB

26 Jun 19 3.05pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You clearly don't understand the difference between instalments and add ons.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 Jun 2019 2.46pm)

I do, which is why I understand it’s 45 million spread over 2 years and 5m in add ons. But no, you’re right, let’s burn the place down!

Eaglecoops CR3 26 Jun 19 3.06pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle So how much will Trent Alexander-Arnold be worth then? Top two RBs in the country so probably the same. So do you think the lumbering oaf that is Harry Maguire is worth £80m now because that’s the comparison I’m using?

Eaglecoops

CR3 26 Jun 19 3.06pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

So how much will Trent Alexander-Arnold be worth then?

Top two RBs in the country so probably the same. So do you think the lumbering oaf that is Harry Maguire is worth £80m now because that’s the comparison I’m using?

Daddyorc Atlantic Highlands, NJ 26 Jun 19 3.10pm
Personally I think DF is getting a bad rap. He's been given very limited funds to work with the past few transfer windows, and I think he's done quite well. Yes, there's been some stinkers (Jach (2.75 mil), probably Soeloth (I think 9 mil), but they haven't broken the bank. And I think we could sell them and recoup most of those fees. There's also been some good ones too. Meyer seems like he has a lot of potential, and was free. Kouyate (10 mil) is a solid midfielder that can fill in for McArthur or Luka. Guaita was a steal (also free). The only transfer that cost more than 10 mil during his tenure was Sakho (26 mil), which I'm not sure he was even responsible for, and is also a great player. Originally posted by NEILLO Ok, so let's say Palace value Zaha at £80m. And the sell on would then be in the region of £16m due to Utd. To remove that clause and then demand £45m up front would value AWB at over £60m. It would seem that valuation was higher than Utd. would pay. Yes, I think we did need to generate funds in order to strengthen the squad. There isn't a lot of financial wiggle room at present. The key now is to get the right players in with the funds available. I've said all along that is a concern as I don't think there is widespread confidence in DF and Co. But we now have to wait and see what they come up with. As for Brooks and Maddison, I am sure most clubs in the Premier League including Palace had them somewhere on their radar, but Bournemouth took the plunge and I think he's surpassed expectations at how quickly he's had an impact. Maddison...we were never going to be able to afford £20m odd at that time.

Daddyorc

Atlantic Highlands, NJ 26 Jun 19 3.10pm

Personally I think DF is getting a bad rap.

He's been given very limited funds to work with the past few transfer windows, and I think he's done quite well. Yes, there's been some stinkers (Jach (2.75 mil), probably Soeloth (I think 9 mil), but they haven't broken the bank. And I think we could sell them and recoup most of those fees.

There's also been some good ones too. Meyer seems like he has a lot of potential, and was free. Kouyate (10 mil) is a solid midfielder that can fill in for McArthur or Luka. Guaita was a steal (also free).

The only transfer that cost more than 10 mil during his tenure was Sakho (26 mil), which I'm not sure he was even responsible for, and is also a great player.

Originally posted by NEILLO

Ok, so let's say Palace value Zaha at £80m. And the sell on would then be in the region of £16m due to Utd.

To remove that clause and then demand £45m up front would value AWB at over £60m. It would seem that valuation was higher than Utd. would pay.

Yes, I think we did need to generate funds in order to strengthen the squad. There isn't a lot of financial wiggle room at present.

Eaglecoops CR3 26 Jun 19 3.10pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle So how much will Trent Alexander-Arnold be worth then? Sorry I should also have clarified that he would not be worth £80m if he was still at Palace, but just because he is a Utd player. It’s the way it works I’m afraid to say.

Eaglecoops

CR3 26 Jun 19 3.10pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

So how much will Trent Alexander-Arnold be worth then?

Sorry I should also have clarified that he would not be worth £80m if he was still at Palace, but just because he is a Utd player. It’s the way it works I’m afraid to say.

A1969Eagle Redhill 26 Jun 19 3.11pm
I have just read AWB (and its still alot of money to most people) is on £10k a week, the lowest of all Palace 1st team players, why the FUDGE did someone not see last season, his own potential and pay him (get a new contract) similar to LUKA (even as the season ended, sat him down and said we want you to sign a new contract so he would want to stay with deserved package!! No wonder £80K a week and more to come is sounding good at Manure, and wanted to leave, show them players there worth!! I consider this as another management failure (from the outside) of Palace management. Your view

A1969Eagle

Redhill 26 Jun 19 3.11pm

I have just read AWB (and its still alot of money to most people) is on £10k a week, the lowest of all Palace 1st team players, why the FUDGE did someone not see last season, his own potential and pay him (get a new contract) similar to LUKA (even as the season ended, sat him down and said we want you to sign a new contract so he would want to stay with deserved package!!
No wonder £80K a week and more to come is sounding good at Manure, and wanted to leave, show them players there worth!!
I consider this as another management failure (from the outside) of Palace management.
Your view

Hrolf The Ganger 26 Jun 19 3.34pm
Originally posted by JohnB I do, which is why I understand it’s 45 million spread over 2 years and 5m in add ons. But no, you’re right, let’s burn the place down! Nice attempt to cover your mistake. The conditions of the extra 5 million are as yet unknown.

Hrolf The Ganger

26 Jun 19 3.34pm

Originally posted by JohnB

I do, which is why I understand it’s 45 million spread over 2 years and 5m in add ons. But no, you’re right, let’s burn the place down!

Nice attempt to cover your mistake.

The conditions of the extra 5 million are as yet unknown.

Hrolf The Ganger 26 Jun 19 3.36pm
Originally posted by A1969Eagle I have just read AWB (and its still alot of money to most people) is on £10k a week, the lowest of all Palace 1st team players, why the FUDGE did someone not see last season, his own potential and pay him (get a new contract) similar to LUKA (even as the season ended, sat him down and said we want you to sign a new contract so he would want to stay with deserved package!! No wonder £80K a week and more to come is sounding good at Manure, and wanted to leave, show them players there worth!! I consider this as another management failure (from the outside) of Palace management. Your view We didn't want to keep him or else we would have.

Hrolf The Ganger

26 Jun 19 3.36pm

Originally posted by A1969Eagle

I have just read AWB (and its still alot of money to most people) is on £10k a week, the lowest of all Palace 1st team players, why the FUDGE did someone not see last season, his own potential and pay him (get a new contract) similar to LUKA (even as the season ended, sat him down and said we want you to sign a new contract so he would want to stay with deserved package!!
No wonder £80K a week and more to come is sounding good at Manure, and wanted to leave, show them players there worth!!
I consider this as another management failure (from the outside) of Palace management.
Your view

We didn't want to keep him or else we would have.

EddieMac 26 Jun 19 3.37pm
Originally posted by A1969Eagle I have just read AWB (and its still alot of money to most people) is on £10k a week, the lowest of all Palace 1st team players, why the FUDGE did someone not see last season, his own potential and pay him (get a new contract) similar to LUKA (even as the season ended, sat him down and said we want you to sign a new contract so he would want to stay with deserved package!! No wonder £80K a week and more to come is sounding good at Manure, and wanted to leave, show them players there worth!! I consider this as another management failure (from the outside) of Palace management. Your view He was sold because Palace wanted to sell him not because of the money he is on earning at Palace. Great deal for us and he will be replaced. Edited by EddieMac (26 Jun 2019 3.38pm)

EddieMac

26 Jun 19 3.37pm

Originally posted by A1969Eagle

He was sold because Palace wanted to sell him not because of the money he is on earning at Palace. Great deal for us and he will be replaced.

Edited by EddieMac (26 Jun 2019 3.38pm)

Hrolf The Ganger 26 Jun 19 3.50pm
Originally posted by EddieMac He was sold because Palace wanted to sell him not because of the money he is on earning at Palace. Great deal for us and he will be replaced. Edited by EddieMac (26 Jun 2019 3.38pm) We won't replace his quality.

Hrolf The Ganger

26 Jun 19 3.50pm

Originally posted by EddieMac

He was sold because Palace wanted to sell him not because of the money he is on earning at Palace. Great deal for us and he will be replaced.

Edited by EddieMac (26 Jun 2019 3.38pm)

We won't replace his quality.

Midlands Eagle 26 Jun 19 3.51pm
Originally posted by EddieMac He was sold because Palace wanted to sell him not because of the money he is on earning at Palace. How do you know? When one of the largest clubs in the world wants you to play for them and offers you eight times what you are currently earning then most people will want to leave. Existing contract or not once the player has set his heart on going then it's senseless to try and force him to stay so Palace did their best to maximise the opportunity for themselves

Midlands Eagle

26 Jun 19 3.51pm

Originally posted by EddieMac

He was sold because Palace wanted to sell him not because of the money he is on earning at Palace.

How do you know?

When one of the largest clubs in the world wants you to play for them and offers you eight times what you are currently earning then most people will want to leave.

Existing contract or not once the player has set his heart on going then it's senseless to try and force him to stay so Palace did their best to maximise the opportunity for themselves

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