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elgrande Flag bedford 23 Oct 17 10.14pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Hydrogen fuel cells are the way forward according to the Toyota UK Chairman, as electric cars have huge carbon footprint needing power stations galore.

I saw a Dutch solar powered car at the weekend a prototype so the boundaries are being pushed all the time.

Who knows in 2040 electric cars may well be obsolete.

How the earth was created I don't know but everything was provided, the sun the wind, foolish mankind just goes on its destructive path.


My god i need to sit down,i agee with stteleye.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 23 Oct 17 10.21pm

Originally posted by elgrande

My god i need to sit down,i agee with stteleye.

Nobody's perfect.

Electric cars are going to take over.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Oct 2017 10.21pm)

 


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elgrande Flag bedford 23 Oct 17 10.31pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Nobody's perfect.

Electric cars are going to take over.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Oct 2017 10.21pm)


Oh i think tbey will stirling,but as he said tbey have a massive footprint,batteries wear out in tbe end.
Disposal is going to be a key note about how far they take over.
I think other ways of powering cars/trucks will come to the forefront soon.
Thats if the oil industry lets them,i have often wondered how many usable ideas have been quashed or bought out by the said industry.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 23 Oct 17 10.58pm

Originally posted by elgrande


Oh i think tbey will stirling,but as he said tbey have a massive footprint,batteries wear out in tbe end.
Disposal is going to be a key note about how far they take over.
I think other ways of powering cars/trucks will come to the forefront soon.
Thats if the oil industry lets them,i have often wondered how many usable ideas have been quashed or bought out by the said industry.

Why do you think there are concerted campaigns against Corbyn, Murdoch's got his fingers in oil. Corbyn wants to break the status quo.

 

elgrande Flag bedford 23 Oct 17 11.07pm

Thats me out.

 


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Lyons550 Flag Shirley 24 Oct 17 9.24am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Nobody's perfect.

Electric cars are going to take over.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Oct 2017 10.21pm)


They will in the short term...and it'll be necessary to ween ourselves off of fossil fuels...but as Steeleye has intimated work on Hydrogen cells is already underway and proving to be effective step up from normal batteries..

 


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Lyons550 Flag Shirley 24 Oct 17 9.28am

Originally posted by elgrande


Oh i think tbey will stirling,but as he said tbey have a massive footprint,batteries wear out in tbe end.
Disposal is going to be a key note about how far they take over.
I think other ways of powering cars/trucks will come to the forefront soon.
Thats if the oil industry lets them,i have often wondered how many usable ideas have been quashed or bought out by the said industry.


Hundreds I'll have to find it but I watched a documentary the other month saying that plenty of inventors have developed far more efficient and environmentally friendly systems/power plants (as far back as the '30s) only to their patents seized by the US government for being a threat to national security (in otherwords the oil industry)..i'm sure you could find something on youtube... [Link]

Clearly anything on youtube needs to be taken on face value but....


Edited by Lyons550 (24 Oct 2017 9.29am)

 


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Only 10 a year!! Flag 24 Oct 17 11.04am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Why do you think there are concerted campaigns against Corbyn, Murdoch's got his fingers in oil. Corbyn wants to break the status quo.

Why do you feel the need? Is it some sort of compulsive disorder?

 

Lyons550 Flag Shirley 24 Oct 17 11.25am

Are cracks starting to appear within the 27 of the EU?

Seems an odd thing for Tusk to come out with this rhetoric?

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It certainly appears that both Tusk and Junker seem to be obsessed with driving the hardest exits at the expense of a cordial and mutually beneficial one...but I guess that's the point...anything other than us leaving with our tail between our legs weakens the EU's foundations (?)

 


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Lyons550 Flag Shirley 24 Oct 17 11.29am

Ouch! But no more than most of us on here have been saying....

"And Hans-Olaf Henkel, a German MEP from the Conservatives and Reformists Group in the European Parliament, urged Mr Tusk and European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker to demonstrate more of the "British values of fairness".
"The EU insists on a financial offer by the British government before an agreement on trade. I wonder, Herr Juncker, whether you would agree a price on something you don't know or what you buy for," he said."

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 24 Oct 17 11.33am

Originally posted by elgrande

Do you use shops,supermarkets,have parcels delivered.
I deliver in my lorry into london on a Friday (before that 30 cab driver).
Things need to be delivered people need to go from a to b.

In terms of reducing emissions, that's whats required - Rather than 30 people going out to pick up x, y and z in their cars, one person delivering it.

Similar to public transport - London has magnificent public transport links. Seriously, I often wonder why people in London actually drive or own cars. Better 40 people on a bus, than what you tend to get outside out side major town and city areas, which is 40 people individually driving into an town or city, because the bus goes once an hour from the otherside of town and turns up only 3 in 4 times.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 24 Oct 17 11.37am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

In terms of reducing emissions, that's whats required - Rather than 30 people going out to pick up x, y and z in their cars, one person delivering it.

Similar to public transport - London has magnificent public transport links. Seriously, I often wonder why people in London actually drive or own cars. Better 40 people on a bus, than what you tend to get outside out side major town and city areas, which is 40 people individually driving into an town or city, because the bus goes once an hour from the otherside of town and turns up only 3 in 4 times.

Empty the roads and people will drive their cars.

 


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elgrande Flag bedford 24 Oct 17 2.18pm

Tt

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

In terms of reducing emissions, that's whats required - Rather than 30 people going out to pick up x, y and z in their cars, one person delivering it.

Similar to public transport - London has magnificent public transport links. Seriously, I often wonder why people in London actually drive or own cars. Better 40 people on a bus, than what you tend to get outside out side major town and city areas, which is 40 people individually driving into an town or city, because the bus goes once an hour from the otherside of town and turns up only 3 in 4 times.

You have bus lanes and cycle lanes,as that traffic flows,the cars and vans/lorries are stuck in traffic spewing out s*** loads of emissions, so its a bt of a catch 22 situation.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 24 Oct 17 2.54pm

Originally posted by Lyons550


They will in the short term...and it'll be necessary to ween ourselves off of fossil fuels...but as Steeleye has intimated work on Hydrogen cells is already underway and proving to be effective step up from normal batteries..

I see all research into these things as useful obviously but I don't see how hydrogen fuel cells better for cars compared to electric. Isn't Musk himself the guy working on them the most?

From what I've read electric cars are better on emissions.

 


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Lyons550 Flag Shirley 24 Oct 17 3.19pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I see all research into these things as useful obviously but I don't see how hydrogen fuel cells better for cars compared to electric. Isn't Musk himself the guy working on them the most?

From what I've read electric cars are better on emissions.

It's primarily to do with the carbon footprint of producing hydrogen vs Lithium Cells as well as the increased capacity of the former....the major drawback though is the stringent infrastructure required for a Hydrogen solution, due to safety purposes.

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Lyons550 Flag Shirley 24 Oct 17 3.22pm

What a twonk...what does it matter how Brexit is being taught/debated in Universities?

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He's rightly been called out on it.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 24 Oct 17 4.36pm

Originally posted by Lyons550

It's primarily to do with the carbon footprint of producing hydrogen vs Lithium Cells as well as the increased capacity of the former....the major drawback though is the stringent infrastructure required for a Hydrogen solution, due to safety purposes.

[Link]

I will move on to solar.

Solar is amazing.

When you are not using your car it stands there charging itself and could be sending power back through the grid.

Everything solar is absolutely discumknockerating.

No pollution belching power stations climates carbons all greatly reduced or eliminated.

I am having the GT solar panels with twin nodding dogs.


 

Lyons550 Flag Shirley 25 Oct 17 7.59am

Originally posted by steeleye20

I will move on to solar.

Solar is amazing.

When you are not using your car it stands there charging itself and could be sending power back through the grid.

Everything solar is absolutely discumknockerating.

No pollution belching power stations climates carbons all greatly reduced or eliminated.

I am having the GT solar panels with twin nodding dogs.


I would love for solar panels to be the answer but they're not quite yet efficient enough, having said that Elon Musk himself is already investing heavily in solar so who knows perhaps sometime soon they will be on parity with power then batteries. His company have produced roof tiles that are solar panels in their own right so that will be an interesting thing to keep an eye on over the next few years

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 25 Oct 17 9.24am

'This is the future': solar-powered family car hailed by experts.

As the annual solar race across Australia wraps up, a Dutch entry averaged 69kmh from Darwin to Adelaide and resupplied the grid.

It's in the Guardian, Eindhoven leading with the Germans closely behind.

Also read that renewables can supply 70% of Australian homes already.

 

Lyons550 Flag Shirley 25 Oct 17 10.02am

Originally posted by steeleye20

'This is the future': solar-powered family car hailed by experts.

As the annual solar race across Australia wraps up, a Dutch entry averaged 69kmh from Darwin to Adelaide and resupplied the grid.

It's in the Guardian, Eindhoven leading with the Germans closely behind.

Also read that renewables can supply 70% of Australian homes already.


Its all definitely encouraging that rather than simply talking about this sort of stuff people are now actively working towards addressing it...that's the only way progress is ever made...failure breeds success...try , try again

 


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