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Actually are civil servants the right people for this job?

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 28 Dec 16 9.58pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I suspect that the exit will be an administrative disaster. I can't see the government upping funding to the civil service to recruit resources, and the civil service is pretty much understaffed as it is, with low new staff retention.

Brexit is going to put an incredible pressure on the civil service to resolve very complex issues, laws and rulings, in a very short space of time.

I know.
Some of them will have to work from home only twice a week instead of three times.

 

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More migrants will come to UK than entire EU populations if Britain stays in single market, warns think tank

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More migrants will come to UK than entire EU populations if Britain stays in single market, warns think tank

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WHat about the 2 million British migrants that are currently living in the rest of the EU? Surely if the UK drastically restricts migration, many of these British will be in a similar circumstance with no stable future unless they return to the UK? Many have been living in other EU countries for years with families, jobs etc.

Restricting migration works both ways.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 30 Dec 16 10.47am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Actually are civil servants the right people for this job?

They're the only people who can do the job. Obviously they may need some expert guidance and advice, but I fail to see who else would have the working knowledge of government administration, law, process, requirements and legal obligation.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 30 Dec 16 10.53am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I know.
Some of them will have to work from home only twice a week instead of three times.

I was a civil servant for a few years, and worked with the civil service for about ten more (for an IT provider), I got to work from home more often than they did. That said, one of those roles did involve the introduction of systems that allowed people to work remotely.

Outside of the civil service, I've met people who work almost entirely from home, maybe doing one day a week on site or in the office.

Most civil servants I worked with, generally worked more than 7.5 hour days, so as to take advantage of the flexi-time scheme. Usually by Friday, 4pm, most people had worked at least an extra day.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 30 Dec 16 11.03am

Originally posted by chris123

I suspect it will be a challenge, but hope the resulting exit will create as many opportunities as challenges.

I doubt it, the EU broadly is beneficial to administrative systems of the UK, UK government and UK economics. Just removing the ECHR which has served as the highest appeal court of the UK for over 50 years is incredibly complex. The Conservatives found this out when they were talking about 'removing the Human Rights act' and replacing it.

In terms of subsidies and the stability of sectors of the UK economy, business regulations etc the UK has largely passed a large amount of its own internal mechanics to the EU systems.

For example we don't have a department of trade and industry any more, we have something that vaguely covers aspects of that, but for a large part, the standisation of the EU, meant a large part of regulations and business control was centralised - Now the UK not only has to regulate industry and business in the UK, but also negotiate individual trade agreements, as competition to the EU.

Remember as well that the EU and ECC allowed us to also scale back whole areas of the Civil Service and remove certain specialisations, which were picked up centrally.

When you get people shouted down for saying an exit could take 10 years, rather than people listening to why they think it will be ten years, the problem is simply ignored.

None of this will be easy, and of course we don't really have the EU to assist us with this either (if you want to find specialists in obscure areas of legislation, the EU is the place to go).

 


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Hoof Hearted 30 Dec 16 11.40am

Don't forget the mantra...

Brexit means Brexit... Trump means Trump

In 2017 our GDP will jump!

Happy New Year to all you Brexiteers, Bremoaners, Vetoers and DanH.

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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I doubt it, the EU broadly is beneficial to administrative systems of the UK, UK government and UK economics. Just removing the ECHR which has served as the highest appeal court of the UK for over 50 years is incredibly complex. The Conservatives found this out when they were talking about 'removing the Human Rights act' and replacing it.

In terms of subsidies and the stability of sectors of the UK economy, business regulations etc the UK has largely passed a large amount of its own internal mechanics to the EU systems.

For example we don't have a department of trade and industry any more, we have something that vaguely covers aspects of that, but for a large part, the standisation of the EU, meant a large part of regulations and business control was centralised - Now the UK not only has to regulate industry and business in the UK, but also negotiate individual trade agreements, as competition to the EU.

Remember as well that the EU and ECC allowed us to also scale back whole areas of the Civil Service and remove certain specialisations, which were picked up centrally.

When you get people shouted down for saying an exit could take 10 years, rather than people listening to why they think it will be ten years, the problem is simply ignored.

None of this will be easy, and of course we don't really have the EU to assist us with this either (if you want to find specialists in obscure areas of legislation, the EU is the place to go).

Like I said before, there will be challenges on both sides, and at this stage estimating how long the process will take is surely guesswork.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 30 Dec 16 12.41pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Don't forget the mantra...

Brexit means Brexit... Trump means Trump

In 2017 our GDP will jump!

Happy New Year to all you Brexiteers, Bremoaners, Vetoers and DanH.

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Happy New Year sir

Although given recent US relations with Russia, Trump could mean trouble! Viva la revolution

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 30 Dec 16 12.45pm

Originally posted by chris123

Like I said before, there will be challenges on both sides, and at this stage estimating how long the process will take is surely guesswork.

For me, yes, it guess work, but I would imagine if your the civil service, its more a reasonable degree of estimates based on different scenarios.

The problem is, that government and Brexit supporters seem to see anything that might be unpopular as being Remoaners.

Of course there is a degree of guesswork because the government itself hasn't really made much progress towards the activation of Article 50, or what an exit from the EU will consist of (seeming to be very much in the camp of an exit being as little of an exit as possible).

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 30 Dec 16 6.54pm

FTSE closed at an all time high today. Think how high it would be if it wasn't for that bloody Brexit!

 


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