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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 29 Dec 17 7.34pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays How can you criticise free market capitalism? It's more responsible for enabling the modern western world than anything else. It has its abuses like all human systems but it works.....even the self described communists...outside of NK use it....it's the god they pray to. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Dec 2017 7.28pm) Are you saying the deaths are just collateral?

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 29 Dec 17 7.34pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

How can you criticise free market capitalism? It's more responsible for enabling the modern western world than anything else.

It has its abuses like all human systems but it works.....even the self described communists...outside of NK use it....it's the god they pray to.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Dec 2017 7.28pm)

Are you saying the deaths are just collateral?

Ray in Houston Houston 29 Dec 17 7.44pm
Originally posted by Sheks Crows Eye However, I don't see how Trump is all that cozy with Russia, for the cameras, yeah maybe? But how else can one act with another nuclear power with the cyber infrasture to cripple your grid? Trump has signed legislation enabling significant sanctions against the Russian federation [Link] and has not waivered on the Magnitsky Act which is the single greatest way to punish Putin and the oligarchs behind him. [Link] Trump has, notably, never criticized Putin in public; moreover he usually showers him with compliments. As to sanctions, yes, Trump signed the bill (in private, unusually) - which would have become law without his signature in any case - but then fired off a couple of angry signing statements and then failed to implement the actions required of him in the bill. He had to be dragged into compliance by the likes of McCain and Corker. [Link] Trump demanded - and got - only one change to the Republican Party platform as their nominee: the removal the party's support for Ukraine against Russian incursion. [Link] As to the Magnitsky Act, when TrumpWorld talks about adoptions and Russians - like Jr's initial smokescreen over the subject matter of the infamous Trump Tower meeting - they are talking about the Magnitsky Act. Putin's response to the crippling sanctions imposed under the Act was to prohibit adoptions of Russian babies by Americans. Restoring adoption privileges means softening or removing the sanctions imposed under Magnitsky. Edited by Ray in Houston (29 Dec 2017 7.45pm) We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

Ray in Houston

Houston 29 Dec 17 7.44pm

Originally posted by Sheks Crows Eye

However, I don't see how Trump is all that cozy with Russia, for the cameras, yeah maybe? But how else can one act with another nuclear power with the cyber infrasture to cripple your grid?

Trump has signed legislation enabling significant sanctions against the Russian federation [Link] and has not waivered on the Magnitsky Act which is the single greatest way to punish Putin and the oligarchs behind him.

[Link]

Trump has, notably, never criticized Putin in public; moreover he usually showers him with compliments. As to sanctions, yes, Trump signed the bill (in private, unusually) - which would have become law without his signature in any case - but then fired off a couple of angry signing statements and then failed to implement the actions required of him in the bill. He had to be dragged into compliance by the likes of McCain and Corker. [Link]

Trump demanded - and got - only one change to the Republican Party platform as their nominee: the removal the party's support for Ukraine against Russian incursion. [Link]

As to the Magnitsky Act, when TrumpWorld talks about adoptions and Russians - like Jr's initial smokescreen over the subject matter of the infamous Trump Tower meeting - they are talking about the Magnitsky Act. Putin's response to the crippling sanctions imposed under the Act was to prohibit adoptions of Russian babies by Americans. Restoring adoption privileges means softening or removing the sanctions imposed under Magnitsky.

Edited by Ray in Houston (29 Dec 2017 7.45pm)

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

Stirlingsays 29 Dec 17 8.06pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Are you saying the deaths are just collateral? I think all systems kill people and disadvantage some sets of people. It's a question of what system causes less harm. Any human system is going to come with abuses. The free market has taken more people out of poverty in the world than any system in the world....it doens't even come close. Communism works by suppression of human nature and dismantles any meritocracy within systems.....that's part of the reason why people starve in communist economies. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

29 Dec 17 8.06pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Are you saying the deaths are just collateral?

I think all systems kill people and disadvantage some sets of people.

It's a question of what system causes less harm. Any human system is going to come with abuses.

The free market has taken more people out of poverty in the world than any system in the world....it doens't even come close.

Communism works by suppression of human nature and dismantles any meritocracy within systems.....that's part of the reason why people starve in communist economies.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Hrolf The Ganger 29 Dec 17 8.10pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I think all systems kill people and disadvantage some sets of people. It's a question of what system causes less harm. Any human system is going to come with abuses. The free market has taken more people out of poverty in the world than any system in the world....it doens't even come close. Communism works by suppression of human nature and dismantles any meritocracy within systems.....that's part of the reason why people starve in communist economies. Is the correct answer.

Hrolf The Ganger

29 Dec 17 8.10pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think all systems kill people and disadvantage some sets of people.

It's a question of what system causes less harm. Any human system is going to come with abuses.

The free market has taken more people out of poverty in the world than any system in the world....it doens't even come close.

Communism works by suppression of human nature and dismantles any meritocracy within systems.....that's part of the reason why people starve in communist economies.

Is the correct answer.

Stirlingsays 29 Dec 17 8.14pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston Trump has, notably, never criticized Putin in public; moreover he usually showers him with compliments. As to sanctions, yes, Trump signed the bill (in private, unusually) - which would have become law without his signature in any case - but then fired off a couple of angry signing statements and then failed to implement the actions required of him in the bill. He had to be dragged into compliance by the likes of McCain and Corker. [Link] Trump demanded - and got - only one change to the Republican Party platform as their nominee: the removal the party's support for Ukraine against Russian incursion. [Link] As to the Magnitsky Act, when TrumpWorld talks about adoptions and Russians - like Jr's initial smokescreen over the subject matter of the infamous Trump Tower meeting - they are talking about the Magnitsky Act. Putin's response to the crippling sanctions imposed under the Act was to prohibit adoptions of Russian babies by Americans. Restoring adoption privileges means softening or removing the sanctions imposed under Magnitsky. Edited by Ray in Houston (29 Dec 2017 7.45pm) Included for balance. Trump criticised Russia in Poland.....and when you criticise Russia you are in effect criticising Putin. He said, 'We urge Russia to cease its destabilizing activities in Ukraine and elsewhere and its support for hostile regimes including Syria and Iran, and to instead join the community of responsible nations in our fight against common enemies and the defense of civilization itself.' 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

29 Dec 17 8.14pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Trump demanded - and got - only one change to the Republican Party platform as their nominee: the removal the party's support for Ukraine against Russian incursion. [Link]

Edited by Ray in Houston (29 Dec 2017 7.45pm)

Included for balance.

Trump criticised Russia in Poland.....and when you criticise Russia you are in effect criticising Putin.

He said, 'We urge Russia to cease its destabilizing activities in Ukraine and elsewhere and its support for hostile regimes including Syria and Iran, and to instead join the community of responsible nations in our fight against common enemies and the defense of civilization itself.'

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 29 Dec 17 8.17pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I think all systems kill people and disadvantage some sets of people. It's a question of what system causes less harm. Any human system is going to come with abuses. The free market has taken more people out of poverty in the world than any system in the world....it doens't even come close. Capitalism works by suppression of human nature and dismantles any meritocracy within systems.....that's part of the reason why people starve in capitalist economies. Easily transferable innit. Im not saying that many many people haven't done well or have a decent quality of life under capitalism. But it's become unfettered , needs reigning in and be more ethically and socially sound in wealth distribution, the rights of workers and resourcing. But my main point was to counter the oft trotted out years old cliche about how many people did communism kill as a counter to a completely different argument by way of obfuscation. Edited by nickgusset (29 Dec 2017 8.19pm)

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 29 Dec 17 8.17pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think all systems kill people and disadvantage some sets of people.

It's a question of what system causes less harm. Any human system is going to come with abuses.

The free market has taken more people out of poverty in the world than any system in the world....it doens't even come close.

Capitalism works by suppression of human nature and dismantles any meritocracy within systems.....that's part of the reason why people starve in capitalist economies.

Easily transferable innit.
Im not saying that many many people haven't done well or have a decent quality of life under capitalism. But it's become unfettered , needs reigning in and be more ethically and socially sound in wealth distribution, the rights of workers and resourcing.
But my main point was to counter the oft trotted out years old cliche about how many people did communism kill as a counter to a completely different argument by way of obfuscation.

Edited by nickgusset (29 Dec 2017 8.19pm)

Stirlingsays 29 Dec 17 8.29pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Easily transferable innit. Im not saying that many many people haven't done well or have a decent quality of life under capitalism. But it's become unfettered , needs reigning in and be more ethically and socially sound in wealth distribution, the rights of workers and resourcing. But my main point was to counter the oft trotted out years old cliche about how many people did communism kill as a counter to a completely different argument by way of obfuscation. Edited by nickgusset (29 Dec 2017 8.19pm) Authoritarianism taken to extremes kills people...well murders them and it can be left or right. Communism starves people. Capitalism.....I agree unfetted capitalism starved the bottom of the meritocracy tree or the bottom class tree. Regulated capitalism.....with 'free' markets is currently the best system we know. 'free' in quotes because without regulation it becomes corrupt like all human systems. Regulated capitalism....well any system is worthy of criticism......at the end of the day we all want the same thing.....well I hope we do anyway. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Dec 2017 8.30pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

29 Dec 17 8.29pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Edited by nickgusset (29 Dec 2017 8.19pm)

Authoritarianism taken to extremes kills people...well murders them and it can be left or right.

Communism starves people.

Capitalism.....I agree unfetted capitalism starved the bottom of the meritocracy tree or the bottom class tree.

Regulated capitalism.....with 'free' markets is currently the best system we know. 'free' in quotes because without regulation it becomes corrupt like all human systems.

Regulated capitalism....well any system is worthy of criticism......at the end of the day we all want the same thing.....well I hope we do anyway.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Dec 2017 8.30pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Ray in Houston Houston 29 Dec 17 8.43pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Included for balance. Trump criticised Russia in Poland.....and when you criticise Russia you are in effect criticising Putin. He said, 'We urge Russia to cease its destabilizing activities in Ukraine and elsewhere and its support for hostile regimes including Syria and Iran, and to instead join the community of responsible nations in our fight against common enemies and the defense of civilization itself.' For "balance", here's 80 times Trump glossed Putin: [Link] We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

Ray in Houston

Houston 29 Dec 17 8.43pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Included for balance.

Trump criticised Russia in Poland.....and when you criticise Russia you are in effect criticising Putin.

For "balance", here's 80 times Trump glossed Putin: [Link]

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 29 Dec 17 8.58pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Authoritarianism taken to extremes kills people...well murders them and it can be left or right. Communism starves people. Capitalism.....I agree unfetted capitalism starved the bottom of the meritocracy tree or the bottom class tree. Regulated capitalism.....with 'free' markets is currently the best system we know. 'free' in quotes because without regulation it becomes corrupt like all human systems. Regulated capitalism....well any system is worthy of criticism......at the end of the day we all want the same thing.....well I hope we do anyway. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Dec 2017 8.30pm) You sure you used the right tense there?

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 29 Dec 17 8.58pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Authoritarianism taken to extremes kills people...well murders them and it can be left or right.

Communism starves people.

Capitalism.....I agree unfetted capitalism starved the bottom of the meritocracy tree or the bottom class tree.

Regulated capitalism.....with 'free' markets is currently the best system we know. 'free' in quotes because without regulation it becomes corrupt like all human systems.

Regulated capitalism....well any system is worthy of criticism......at the end of the day we all want the same thing.....well I hope we do anyway.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Dec 2017 8.30pm)

You sure you used the right tense there?

Stirlingsays 29 Dec 17 9.09pm
Originally posted by nickgusset You sure you used the right tense there? Well, they said it was water proof! 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

29 Dec 17 9.09pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

You sure you used the right tense there?

Well, they said it was water proof!

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

CambridgeEagle Sydenham 30 Dec 17 3.02am
Originally posted by Penge Eagle One year in, here's what I think are good and bad things from Trump. Good: Created jobs – US almost at full employment Stock market all-time high Recognised Jerusalem as capital New sanctions on N Korea GDP growing (almost 4% last quarter) Decertified Iran deal Brought in the travel ban Cutting regulations (22 cut for each new one) Defeating ISIS in Iraq and Syria Pulled out of Paris Accord Taking on the fake news media Hugh cut in illegal border crossings Getting NATO countries to pay fair share Tax reform! Bad: Not starting the wall Failing to repeal Obamacare Handled Charlottesville attack badly Cruise missile strike at Syria in response to chemical weapons Criticising his own staff Too many personal attacks on anybody Too much tweeting! Edited by Penge Eagle (29 Dec 2017 12.56pm) GDP figure misleading for many reasons, not least as it's not representative of a whole year, and it's not particularly high when compared with other isolated quarters under Obama. The rest of your analysis is almost all under the wrong headings. Majorly so. Paris in particular. And tax. And your point on Obamacare. So much better than the republican policy which was awful. So much better than what came before as well. The US wastes billions on health administration due to its multi payer policy and Obamacare massively reduces this waste and increases coverage.

CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 30 Dec 17 3.02am

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

One year in, here's what I think are good and bad things from Trump.

Good:
Created jobs – US almost at full employment
Stock market all-time high
Recognised Jerusalem as capital
New sanctions on N Korea
GDP growing (almost 4% last quarter)
Decertified Iran deal
Brought in the travel ban
Cutting regulations (22 cut for each new one)
Defeating ISIS in Iraq and Syria
Pulled out of Paris Accord
Taking on the fake news media
Hugh cut in illegal border crossings
Getting NATO countries to pay fair share
Tax reform!

Bad:
Not starting the wall
Failing to repeal Obamacare
Handled Charlottesville attack badly
Cruise missile strike at Syria in response to chemical weapons
Criticising his own staff
Too many personal attacks on anybody
Too much tweeting!

Edited by Penge Eagle (29 Dec 2017 12.56pm)

GDP figure misleading for many reasons, not least as it's not representative of a whole year, and it's not particularly high when compared with other isolated quarters under Obama.

The rest of your analysis is almost all under the wrong headings. Majorly so. Paris in particular. And tax. And your point on Obamacare. So much better than the republican policy which was awful. So much better than what came before as well. The US wastes billions on health administration due to its multi payer policy and Obamacare massively reduces this waste and increases coverage.

CambridgeEagle Sydenham 30 Dec 17 3.14am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays How can you criticise free market capitalism? It's more responsible for enabling the modern western world than anything else. It has its abuses like all human systems but it works.....even the self described communists...outside of NK use it....it's the god they pray to. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Dec 2017 7.28pm) Regulated market capitalism actually more to thank. FDR's new deal and Atlee's welfare state much more a part of creating a productive economy that was the engine of growth and investment. Since the late 70s median standards of living in US not increased. Thanks to Reagan and Thatcher and deregulation of markets and breaking up the unions.

CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 30 Dec 17 3.14am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

How can you criticise free market capitalism? It's more responsible for enabling the modern western world than anything else.

It has its abuses like all human systems but it works.....even the self described communists...outside of NK use it....it's the god they pray to.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Dec 2017 7.28pm)

Regulated market capitalism actually more to thank. FDR's new deal and Atlee's welfare state much more a part of creating a productive economy that was the engine of growth and investment. Since the late 70s median standards of living in US not increased. Thanks to Reagan and Thatcher and deregulation of markets and breaking up the unions.

CambridgeEagle Sydenham 30 Dec 17 3.23am
I like China's TrumpDog. It's a symbol of what Trump is turning the US into in relation to China. An over inflated and out of control attack dog powerless to stop China become the world's leading super power. China will become the country others start to turn to for global leadership eventually and Trump is only expediting that change. China will lead the world in modern technology and climate policy and that's a shame for what is an undemocratic and totalitarian regime. Can't help but admire Xi though for his foresight and iron grip. Trump looks like a child in comparison.

CambridgeEagle

Sydenham 30 Dec 17 3.23am

I like China's TrumpDog. It's a symbol of what Trump is turning the US into in relation to China. An over inflated and out of control attack dog powerless to stop China become the world's leading super power. China will become the country others start to turn to for global leadership eventually and Trump is only expediting that change. China will lead the world in modern technology and climate policy and that's a shame for what is an undemocratic and totalitarian regime. Can't help but admire Xi though for his foresight and iron grip. Trump looks like a child in comparison.

Stirlingsays 30 Dec 17 5.45am
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle Regulated market capitalism actually more to thank. FDR's new deal and Atlee's welfare state much more a part of creating a productive economy that was the engine of growth and investment. Since the late 70s median standards of living in US not increased. Thanks to Reagan and Thatcher and deregulation of markets and breaking up the unions. I'd say it's much more to do with globalization. Thatcher was a mixed bag, a harsh correction for the disaster economics of the far left. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

30 Dec 17 5.45am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

I'd say it's much more to do with globalization. Thatcher was a mixed bag, a harsh correction for the disaster economics of the far left.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

wordup 03 Jan 18 7.41pm
Bannon: Trump Jr.-Russia meeting 'treasonous' - [Link] "After news of the meeting surfaced last year, Bannon reportedly said: “The three senior guys in the campaign thought it was a good idea to meet with a foreign government inside Trump Tower in the conference room on the 25th floor — with no lawyers. They didn’t have any lawyers." “Even if you thought that this was not treasonous, or unpatriotic, or bad s***, and I happen to think it’s all of that, you should have called the FBI immediately," Bannon said"

wordup

03 Jan 18 7.41pm

Bannon: Trump Jr.-Russia meeting 'treasonous' - [Link]

"After news of the meeting surfaced last year, Bannon reportedly said: “The three senior guys in the campaign thought it was a good idea to meet with a foreign government inside Trump Tower in the conference room on the 25th floor — with no lawyers. They didn’t have any lawyers."

“Even if you thought that this was not treasonous, or unpatriotic, or bad s***, and I happen to think it’s all of that, you should have called the FBI immediately," Bannon said"

Stirlingsays 03 Jan 18 7.44pm
Originally posted by wordup Bannon: Trump Jr.-Russia meeting 'treasonous' - [Link] "After news of the meeting surfaced last year, Bannon reportedly said: “The three senior guys in the campaign thought it was a good idea to meet with a foreign government inside Trump Tower in the conference room on the 25th floor — with no lawyers. They didn’t have any lawyers." “Even if you thought that this was not treasonous, or unpatriotic, or bad s***, and I happen to think it’s all of that, you should have called the FBI immediately," Bannon said" It's a view, but from what we have heard so far.....and democrats have been so so desperate to prove otherwise .. no laws were broken and no collusion proven and nothing can be fed back to Trump himself. Just some guy selling his book. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Jan 2018 8.14pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

03 Jan 18 7.44pm

Originally posted by wordup

Bannon: Trump Jr.-Russia meeting 'treasonous' - [Link]

“Even if you thought that this was not treasonous, or unpatriotic, or bad s***, and I happen to think it’s all of that, you should have called the FBI immediately," Bannon said"

It's a view, but from what we have heard so far.....and democrats have been so so desperate to prove otherwise .. no laws were broken and no collusion proven and nothing can be fed back to Trump himself.

Just some guy selling his book.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Jan 2018 8.14pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Ray in Houston Houston 03 Jan 18 8.18pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays It's a view, but from what we have heard so far.....and democrats have been so so desperate to prove otherwise .. no laws were broken and no collusion proven and nothing can be fed back to Trump himself. Selling his book. As Adam Schiff - the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee put it: The Russians offered help, the Trump campaign welcomed that help, the help was given, the Trump campaign benefitted. As this point, collusion is a given. The only question is who was involved. So far, it goes right up to Trump's doorstep with his son, son-in-law and Campaign Manager all meeting with the Russians to get dirt on Clinton. This is not in doubt - it came from the mouth/Twitter feed of Don Jr. And if you don't think collusion is against the law, just replace the media's word with "conspiracy", which is the word Mueller will surely use. The Russians broke the law when they hacked the DNC's emails, and the Trump campaign conspired with them after the fact to use the proceeds of that crime to benefit themselves. Again, criminality here is not in question. As to this being "Democrats", Bob Mueller is a life-long Republican, appointed to the investigation by Rod Rosenstein - another lifelong Republican - who serves as Deputy AG at the pleasure of the President...one Donald J. Trump. The Democrats are powerless in Washington currently, yet onward goes this Republican ordered and lead investigation. You cry partisan politics when people disagree with you. Then you regurgitate this weak Fox News crap about this being a Democratic gotcha campaign when reality is so very far from that. Edited by Ray in Houston (03 Jan 2018 8.27pm) We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

Ray in Houston

Houston 03 Jan 18 8.18pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Selling his book.

As Adam Schiff - the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee put it: The Russians offered help, the Trump campaign welcomed that help, the help was given, the Trump campaign benefitted.

As this point, collusion is a given. The only question is who was involved. So far, it goes right up to Trump's doorstep with his son, son-in-law and Campaign Manager all meeting with the Russians to get dirt on Clinton. This is not in doubt - it came from the mouth/Twitter feed of Don Jr.

And if you don't think collusion is against the law, just replace the media's word with "conspiracy", which is the word Mueller will surely use. The Russians broke the law when they hacked the DNC's emails, and the Trump campaign conspired with them after the fact to use the proceeds of that crime to benefit themselves. Again, criminality here is not in question.

As to this being "Democrats", Bob Mueller is a life-long Republican, appointed to the investigation by Rod Rosenstein - another lifelong Republican - who serves as Deputy AG at the pleasure of the President...one Donald J. Trump. The Democrats are powerless in Washington currently, yet onward goes this Republican ordered and lead investigation.

You cry partisan politics when people disagree with you. Then you regurgitate this weak Fox News crap about this being a Democratic gotcha campaign when reality is so very far from that.

Edited by Ray in Houston (03 Jan 2018 8.27pm)

We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

wordup 03 Jan 18 8.21pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays It's a view, but from what we have heard so far.....and democrats have been so so desperate to prove otherwise .. no laws were broken and no collusion proven and nothing can be fed back to Trump himself. Selling his book. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Jan 2018 7.44pm) Nice of Mueller to share his findings with you before the rest of the world . Bannon is far from being just some guy. He possibly was in very close proximity to serious criminal acts. Indeed that is barely removed from what he now claims. There is an ongoing investigation. Just as we can comment on the desire for many to pre-empt the conclusion, we can also wonder why there are endless and vigorous attempts to stonewall or undermine investigations where there is nothing to find... which of course we already know has been untrue, because various statements have already been shown to be lies. It's all about what can be proved of course, and if this is 'allowed' to reach a conclusion, we will hve our answer. When further indictments, closer to home come down the pipe though, is he really going to let that happen. I have my doubts. The latest 'no laws' were breaking is the talking point pushed to those looking for a silverlining in a s*** sandwich, so you've picked that up but we don't yet know what can be linked back to Trump, or how public opinion will treat him if every other domino around him falls and he pulls the 'nothing to do with me though' card. My favourite was the statement by Trump himself: "There is no collusion, and even if there was, it’s not a crime.". That's the level that's been reached now and a clear sign of what is expected to come. Edited by wordup (03 Jan 2018 8.34pm)

wordup

03 Jan 18 8.21pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's a view, but from what we have heard so far.....and democrats have been so so desperate to prove otherwise .. no laws were broken and no collusion proven and nothing can be fed back to Trump himself.

Selling his book.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Jan 2018 7.44pm)

Nice of Mueller to share his findings with you before the rest of the world . Bannon is far from being just some guy. He possibly was in very close proximity to serious criminal acts. Indeed that is barely removed from what he now claims.

There is an ongoing investigation. Just as we can comment on the desire for many to pre-empt the conclusion, we can also wonder why there are endless and vigorous attempts to stonewall or undermine investigations where there is nothing to find... which of course we already know has been untrue, because various statements have already been shown to be lies. It's all about what can be proved of course, and if this is 'allowed' to reach a conclusion, we will hve our answer. When further indictments, closer to home come down the pipe though, is he really going to let that happen. I have my doubts.

The latest 'no laws' were breaking is the talking point pushed to those looking for a silverlining in a s*** sandwich, so you've picked that up but we don't yet know what can be linked back to Trump, or how public opinion will treat him if every other domino around him falls and he pulls the 'nothing to do with me though' card. My favourite was the statement by Trump himself: "There is no collusion, and even if there was, it’s not a crime.". That's the level that's been reached now and a clear sign of what is expected to come.

Edited by wordup (03 Jan 2018 8.34pm)

kenbarr Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 03 Jan 18 8.28pm
Let us remember two things about the Mueller probe. Robert Mueller is a highly respected Republican and Steve Bannon is a self-described revolutionary. Divorced...And LOVING it! VJRAM Rev. CPFC since Boxing Day 1989 CPFC 2-2 CFC Gregg Berhalter, US International & USMNT Head Coach Jill Ellis, England International & Retired USWNT Head Coach Trevor Francis, International PRAT

kenbarr

Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 03 Jan 18 8.28pm

Let us remember two things about the Mueller probe. Robert Mueller is a highly respected Republican and Steve Bannon is a self-described revolutionary.

Divorced...And LOVING it!
VJRAM Rev.
CPFC since Boxing Day 1989 CPFC 2-2 CFC
Gregg Berhalter, US International & USMNT Head Coach
Jill Ellis, England International & Retired USWNT Head Coach
Trevor Francis, International PRAT

Stirlingsays 03 Jan 18 8.50pm
Originally posted by wordup Nice of Mueller to share his findings with you before the rest of the world . Bannon is far from being just some guy. He possibly was in very close proximity to serious criminal acts. Indeed that is barely removed from what he now claims. There is an ongoing investigation. Just as we can comment on the desire for many to pre-empt the conclusion, we can also wonder why there are endless and vigorous attempts to stonewall or undermine investigations where there is nothing to find... which of course we already know has been untrue, because various statements have already been shown to be lies. It's all about what can be proved of course, and if this is 'allowed' to reach a conclusion, we will hve our answer. When further indictments, closer to home come down the pipe though, is he really going to let that happen. I have my doubts. The latest 'no laws' were breaking is the talking point pushed to those looking for a silverlining in a s*** sandwich, so you've picked that up but we don't yet know what can be linked back to Trump, or how public opinion will treat him if every other domino around him falls and he pulls the 'nothing to do with me though' card. My favourite was the statement by Trump himself: "There is no collusion, and even if there was, it’s not a crime.". That's the level that's been reached now and a clear sign of what is expected to come. Edited by wordup (03 Jan 2018 8.34pm) If you think Mueller has anything significant then I think you are guilty of wishful thinking and naivety. You say I shouldn't second guess Mueller and then the tone of your post shows you've decided it yourself. My reasoning is based purely on common sense....one that these things would always get leaked...and that the length of time and amount of money spent on this already....and the result....A lot of hot air. If he had been guilty of provable collusion the leaks would have been amongst us long ago.....these claims are pretty old. This guy's team has hardly been noted for being unbiased.....if there was anything significant that was worthy of impeachment this would be known by now. I regard the whole episode as ridiculous and all just a semi on ride for democrats and those republicans who hate Trump. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

03 Jan 18 8.50pm

Originally posted by wordup

Edited by wordup (03 Jan 2018 8.34pm)

If you think Mueller has anything significant then I think you are guilty of wishful thinking and naivety.

You say I shouldn't second guess Mueller and then the tone of your post shows you've decided it yourself.

My reasoning is based purely on common sense....one that these things would always get leaked...and that the length of time and amount of money spent on this already....and the result....A lot of hot air.

If he had been guilty of provable collusion the leaks would have been amongst us long ago.....these claims are pretty old. This guy's team has hardly been noted for being unbiased.....if there was anything significant that was worthy of impeachment this would be known by now.

I regard the whole episode as ridiculous and all just a semi on ride for democrats and those republicans who hate Trump.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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