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W12 19 Nov 19 4.02pm

Screw them both (and Swinson, and the rest of them)

 

EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 19 Nov 19 4.05pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Who's watching tonight?

So Boris and Jeremy are going head to head tonight but I won't be watching. To be honest whilst my mind is already made up it wouldn't make any difference if Corbyn wipes the floor with Johnson.

I don't judge politicians on their ability to debate but on their policies and their actions. Corbyn meeting terrorists weeks after they tried to murder the government speaks volumes of a the man and more importantly I don't like his policies.

The first major televised debate was Nixon Kennedy in 1960. Those who saw it said Kennedy won because he looked young and vigorous whilst Nixon looked old and unshaven. Apparently those that listened on the radio said Nixon won.

Anyway the die was cast but today they politicians are too well rehearsed and media savvy to say anything that we haven't heard already.

Boris will be a mess and bumble his way through not answering the questions but coming up with the occasional good line.

Corbyn will look good attacking the Tories (years of training as a protestor) but will look weak when he has to defend his own policies e.g. Brexit and Immigration.

And the public will probably wonder what is on the other side.

Now if Diane Abbott was to done one I would get the popcorn on and buckle up my seatbelt for car crash TV.

So are you watching?

Edited by Badger11 (19 Nov 2019 3.58pm)

Pointless exercise - I doubt there’s anyone in the electorate split between Tory/Labour so there’s little point letting them have it out one on one. Everyone watching will have their mind made up on at least one of Boris and Corbyn, such is the polarising nature of their personalities, so who is the debate actually for?

Substance will be entirely irrelevant to the discussion, as you’d expect in a country where Boris Johnson will soon be elected PM.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 19 Nov 19 4.08pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Who's watching tonight?

So Boris and Jeremy are going head to head tonight but I won't be watching. To be honest whilst my mind is already made up it wouldn't make any difference if Corbyn wipes the floor with Johnson.

I don't judge politicians on their ability to debate but on their policies and their actions. Corbyn meeting terrorists weeks after they tried to murder the government speaks volumes of a the man and more importantly I don't like his policies.

The first major televised debate was Nixon Kennedy in 1960. Those who saw it said Kennedy won because he looked young and vigorous whilst Nixon looked old and unshaven. Apparently those that listened on the radio said Nixon won.

Anyway the die was cast but today they politicians are too well rehearsed and media savvy to say anything that we haven't heard already.

Boris will be a mess and bumble his way through not answering the questions but coming up with the occasional good line.

Corbyn will look good attacking the Tories (years of training as a protestor) but will look weak when he has to defend his own policies e.g. Brexit and Immigration.

And the public will probably wonder what is on the other side.

Now if Diane Abbott was to done one I would get the popcorn on and buckle up my seatbelt for car crash TV.

So are you watching?

Edited by Badger11 (19 Nov 2019 3.58pm)

I will probably watch it as an upload to Youtube at a later point.

It's not a serious election choice....so it makes the debates a bit boring. I can't see people voting Labour unless they are actual socialists or anti Jewish....or just your common garden rubber stamp Labour voter.

The moment Johnson won the Tory leadership it was done.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Nov 2019 4.09pm)

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Deleted11 19 Nov 19 4.31pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Who's watching tonight?

So Boris and Jeremy are going head to head tonight but I won't be watching. To be honest whilst my mind is already made up it wouldn't make any difference if Corbyn wipes the floor with Johnson.

I don't judge politicians on their ability to debate but on their policies and their actions. Corbyn meeting terrorists weeks after they tried to murder the government speaks volumes of a the man and more importantly I don't like his policies.

The first major televised debate was Nixon Kennedy in 1960. Those who saw it said Kennedy won because he looked young and vigorous whilst Nixon looked old and unshaven. Apparently those that listened on the radio said Nixon won.

Anyway the die was cast but today they politicians are too well rehearsed and media savvy to say anything that we haven't heard already.

Boris will be a mess and bumble his way through not answering the questions but coming up with the occasional good line.

Corbyn will look good attacking the Tories (years of training as a protestor) but will look weak when he has to defend his own policies e.g. Brexit and Immigration.

And the public will probably wonder what is on the other side.

Now if Diane Abbott was to done one I would get the popcorn on and buckle up my seatbelt for car crash TV.

So are you watching?

Edited by Badger11 (19 Nov 2019 3.58pm)

In a strange way, Corbyn has everything to gain from this debate. The problem is he is going to have to be clear on immigration. Anything that resembles open boarders, the I believe Labour will lose by a pretty big margin.

IMHO and with regards to winning this election, the only things Labour can offer are;

1) A 2nd referendum with No Deal and Labour's deal, which will be remain light.
2) Offer some kind of promise on controlling immigration.
3) The Hail Mary. Which for me would be to promise an increase in pensions by 10%.

Let's face it though, 1 and 2 are extremely unlikely, but 3 would set the cat amongst the pigeons, because, the vast majority of Leavers are over 50ish, who are also the biggest turnout at elections.

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 19 Nov 19 4.40pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I can't see people voting Labour unless they are actual socialists or anti Jewish....or just your common garden rubber stamp Labour voter.

I did smile the other day when a woman heckled Corbyn about his anti semitic party ending with "For the many not the Jew"

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 19 Nov 19 4.41pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Pointless exercise - I doubt there’s anyone in the electorate split between Tory/Labour so there’s little point letting them have it out one on one. Everyone watching will have their mind made up on at least one of Boris and Corbyn, such is the polarising nature of their personalities, so who is the debate actually for?

Substance will be entirely irrelevant to the discussion, as you’d expect in a country where Boris Johnson will soon be elected PM.

Excellent point and on reflection I agree. In this election if you are undecided I suspect you are agonising over Labour/Lib Dems/Greens and SNP if in Scotland. Your vote may end up being an anti Tory one rather than pro any one party.

On the other side apart from the odd constituency if you want Brexit the choice is simple vote Tory.

So yes I agree it would have been better if Corbyn took on Swinson and someone from the Greens.

 


One more point

Stirlingsays Flag 19 Nov 19 5.44pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I did smile the other day when a woman heckled Corbyn about his anti semitic party ending with "For the many not the Jew"

I know....it's a great tag line both for them and to twist it highlight the anti semitism.

Then again, I think the 'anti semitism' stuff is overblown....that said I think all the 'isms' are overblown.

Society is obsessed with 'isms' and victim narratives.

Still, 'For the many not the Jew' makes me laugh everytime I hear it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Nov 2019 5.48pm)

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays Flag 19 Nov 19 6.32pm

If Corbyn gets in he's going to open up immigration like never before. These are the statistics on immigration to the UK.

Minorities always vote majority left and in higher numbers the more culturally diverse...for example of the BAME migrants who could vote, only 19 percent voted Tory in 2017....The Tories need to wake up and stop listening to the 'ism' mob.


Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Nov 2019 6.35pm)

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

W12 19 Nov 19 8.24pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If Corbyn gets in he's going to open up immigration like never before. These are the statistics on immigration to the UK.

Minorities always vote majority left and in higher numbers the more culturally diverse...for example of the BAME migrants who could vote, only 19 percent voted Tory in 2017....The Tories need to wake up and stop listening to the 'ism' mob.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Nov 2019 6.35pm)

Utter madness isn’t it

And looking at this debate are these really the two (and Swinson) really the best leaders we can come up with?

What an embarrassment

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 19 Nov 19 8.41pm

Originally posted by W12

Utter madness isn’t it

And looking at this debate are these really the two (and Swinson) really the best leaders we can come up with?

What an embarrassment

I'm now seeing why May avoided a TV debate
It will be a lefty media stitch up.

 

W12 19 Nov 19 8.48pm

“Invest in the NHS”

How many times have I heard that.

Like it’s going to make money and not just be a huge honey pot for the 3rd world.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 19 Nov 19 8.54pm

Corbyn answers questions like a Miss World contestant.

 

Invalid user 2019 Flag 19 Nov 19 8.58pm

The 5 seconds for a snappy answer format is beyond tired.

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 19 Nov 19 10.05pm

Didn't watch it, the pundits are saying if you vote Labour Corbyn won if you vote Tory Johnson won so no knock out blows.

Sounds like we learned nothing new.

 


One more point

Invalid user 2019 Flag 19 Nov 19 10.19pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Didn't watch it, the pundits are saying if you vote Labour Corbyn won if you vote Tory Johnson won so no knock out blows.

Sounds like we learned nothing new.

Yes, with this format and the constant interruptions it's all but impossible to learn anything anyway. One of the questions they spent longest on was, I kid you not, what Christmas present would you buy for each other.

I'd call it a draw, which realistically is probably a win for Corbyn due to his relative unpopularity compared to Boris. Though the Conservatives have a very healthy lead and so in the big picture I don't think it changes anything.

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 19 Nov 19 11.21pm

It was sh1te. Boring and badly planned and managed.

I’ve just caught the 2nd half of the 30 minutes leaders special on BBC1 hosted by Fiona Bruce with farage taking abuse from frothing liberals in the audience. Quite good viewing with him dealing with their false accusations and mixing up stats he quoted earlier.

 


COYP

Midlands Eagle Flag 20 Nov 19 7.39am

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I doubt there’s anyone in the electorate split between Tory/Labour so there’s little point letting them have it out one on one. Everyone watching will have their mind made up on at least one of Boris and Corbyn, such is the polarising nature of their personalities, so who is the debate actually for?

Substance will be entirely irrelevant to the discussion, as you’d expect in a country where Boris Johnson will soon be elected PM.

I am a Tory and always have been but whilst I think that Boris makes a better orator than Corbyn I do have concerns about his substance as it doesn't seem to extend beyond his catchphrase "get Brexit done"

I couldn't bring myself to vote for Corbyn, Swinson is a nutjob that seems clueless about the real world and the Greens can't even run Brighton Council successfully let alone a country so it looks like I will have to vote for Boris by default

 

jeeagles Flag 20 Nov 19 8.50am

Originally posted by dollardays

Yes, with this format and the constant interruptions it's all but impossible to learn anything anyway. One of the questions they spent longest on was, I kid you not, what Christmas present would you buy for each other.

I'd call it a draw, which realistically is probably a win for Corbyn due to his relative unpopularity compared to Boris. Though the Conservatives have a very healthy lead and so in the big picture I don't think it changes anything.

Thought Boris really wiped the floor with Corbyn.

Corbyn's insistence on not committing what side he'd stand for in a second referendum shows how indecisive and disingenuous he its. All this stories about the NHS and his administration for the UN General secretary can bore off. I'm tired of hearing what a nice guy he is, I'd like someone to run the country. Notice how a question came in about Christmas gifts and showing generosity to people who disagree with you, and Corbyn's first instinct was to call Boris scrouge.

Thought Boris missed a trick when he was attacked about how long it would take to do a deal with the US and EU, Corbyn is saying that he can renegotiate a deal that's taken 3 years to put together in 6 months on one hand, yet saying negotiations with other countries will be impossible.

For me, Boris has already won the neutral vote.

 

Matov Flag 20 Nov 19 9.13am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I am a Tory and always have been but whilst I think that Boris makes a better orator than Corbyn I do have concerns about his substance as it doesn't seem to extend beyond his catchphrase "get Brexit done"

But Brexit is the default narrative. I loathe Johnson on a variety of levels and have a great deal of sympathy for much of what even the most vomit inducing Soc.lib Remainer Retard has to say about him but the reality is that Brexit is the only question any potential voter has to decide upon.

You want it done, then a Tory win is what you want. Personally I would love to see a hung Parliament with the Brexit Party holding the keys to the kingdom but that is unfortunately unlikely.

You either believe that the vote on June 23rd 2016 has to be honoured or you do not. That 17.4 million votes have to matter. That 52 beats 48 as a %. In short that if the British public are told a result will be honoured then that needs to matter. To count. To have a validity.

Now I am in no doubt that Johnson wanted Remain to win. That he backed Leave by way of his f***ed up hubris driven ambition with some clever strategy no doubt inspired by the actions of an obscure Greek or Roman classicist. In short, Johnson is the utter w***er that many people believe he is. But, and this is the f***ed up reality, he is the best chance we have of leaving the EU.

Hence why I want him to win. Not because I like the b****** or even trust him to deliver but because, as things stand, he is the best bet.

And I hate f***ing gambling.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

DANGERCLOSE Flag London 20 Nov 19 9.30am

Originally posted by jeeagles

Thought Boris really wiped the floor with Corbyn.

Corbyn's insistence on not committing what side he'd stand for in a second referendum shows how indecisive and disingenuous he its. All this stories about the NHS and his administration for the UN General secretary can bore off. I'm tired of hearing what a nice guy he is, I'd like someone to run the country. Notice how a question came in about Christmas gifts and showing generosity to people who disagree with you, and Corbyn's first instinct was to call Boris scrouge.

Thought Boris missed a trick when he was attacked about how long it would take to do a deal with the US and EU, Corbyn is saying that he can renegotiate a deal that's taken 3 years to put together in 6 months on one hand, yet saying negotiations with other countries will be impossible.

For me, Boris has already won the neutral vote.

Agreed

 

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