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deleted9 Flag 21 Dec 20 10.18pm

Originally posted by Crystal_Clear

Yep, the current scenario cannot go on any longer.

1. The manager's contract expires at the end of the season. He will be 74 at the start of next season. Will he realistically carry on again ? He is already the oldest ever top flight manager when he reached 71.

2. Our squad is really starting to age now. Players are getting into their 30's rather than reaching 30 now. That's without all those out of contract.

The club are in situation where things simply can't carry on.

I would expect us to survive again this season, and maybe reach mid table status (10-12). But come the summer we will be in all sorts of problems if things are sorted out soon.

Otherwise we will be a typical Palace situation of searching for a new manager in the summer, then trying to get new players in (which we are not particularly great in sorting quickly).

This is interesting however, Roy can’t do anything about his age and the transition of changing an old squad to a younger one isn’t going to happen overnight.

Also, why do so many people make the assumption that if our average squad age is drastically reduced, this is going to equate to a sudden upturn in points? Experience counts for a lot.

 

Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 22 Dec 20 9.48am

Originally posted by alexdyoung87

This is interesting however, Roy can’t do anything about his age and the transition of changing an old squad to a younger one isn’t going to happen overnight.

Also, why do so many people make the assumption that if our average squad age is drastically reduced, this is going to equate to a sudden upturn in points? Experience counts for a lot.

There is no point writing good honest common sense on here, they just keep on coming back with utter trash.
It is quite obvious our squad is good enough this season, the only issues we will have is when our manager leaves and the funds that will be available for the new man.

 

Eaglecoops Flag CR3 22 Dec 20 9.57am

Originally posted by alexdyoung87

This is interesting however, Roy can’t do anything about his age and the transition of changing an old squad to a younger one isn’t going to happen overnight.

Also, why do so many people make the assumption that if our average squad age is drastically reduced, this is going to equate to a sudden upturn in points? Experience counts for a lot.

I’m afraid many of our defensive and midfield frailties arise through a lack of pace and pace is the unfortunate casualty of age. A blend of youth and experience is required, our balance of the two leans more toward the retirement home end of the spectrum.

 

doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 22 Dec 20 12.26pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

I’m afraid many of our defensive and midfield frailties arise through a lack of pace and pace is the unfortunate casualty of age. A blend of youth and experience is required, our balance of the two leans more toward the retirement home end of the spectrum.


We all accept that, including the board hence the movement for Eze and Ferguson and the significant development of the Academy. If the right young players are available in January and the summer, I'm sure we will bring them in and ease out some of our geriatrics.

Meanwhile let's get behind Roy and the team.

 

Eaglecoops Flag CR3 22 Dec 20 2.02pm

Originally posted by doombear


We all accept that, including the board hence the movement for Eze and Ferguson and the significant development of the Academy. If the right young players are available in January and the summer, I'm sure we will bring them in and ease out some of our geriatrics.

Meanwhile let's get behind Roy and the team.

Have never stopped on match day. Had a few problems in between matches though!

Ironically, I think we are now playing the best football since Roy has arrived and we have improved tactically, so I’ve definitely cut back on criticism since the debacle of the Chelsea and Brighton performances. The cracks are there for all to see however and we are going to need some highly flexible filler very soon.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Dec 20 2.11pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Have never stopped on match day. Had a few problems in between matches though!

Ironically, I think we are now playing the best football since Roy has arrived and we have improved tactically, so I’ve definitely cut back on criticism since the debacle of the Chelsea and Brighton performances. The cracks are there for all to see however and we are going to need some highly flexible filler very soon.

Sadly I am of the opinion that we are about to reach the head of the snake with little prospect of climbing up the ladder.
Our 'Dad's Army' squad are going to be found wanting as the season progresses.

 

big stu Flag milton keynes 22 Dec 20 4.31pm

Originally posted by Willo

Sadly I am of the opinion that we are about to reach the head of the snake with little prospect of climbing up the ladder.
Our 'Dad's Army' squad are going to be found wanting as the season progresses.

totally agree with this, as im seeing it already! we only play down the left side of the pitch! wont take long at all

 

TheBigToePunt Flag 22 Dec 20 4.45pm

Of course we need to replace a few older players with a few younger ones, but that's a long term, gradual process.

Eze and (hopefully) ferguson were a very good start, as was the promotion of mitchell. I don't want any more than three unproven players introduced in one year if possible, and all the while we can eek another season out of the older ones we should do so. It's evolution not revolution.

If we can get a promising 20 year old centre back then that's great, but even better to have him learn from Cahill over a year or two as one is phased out by the other, rather than replaced. I'd certainly hope Ferguson is already picking the brains of Clyne and Ward, whilst also setting himself the target of overtaking them both.

Roy is another matter. If he's fit and able then he can stay until he's 80 for all I care. He's a good coach and a good man. The players like him too, and they wouldn't suffer a fool.

 

Jacey Flag 22 Dec 20 8.26pm

Originally posted by Crystal_Clear

Yep, the current scenario cannot go on any longer.

1. The manager's contract expires at the end of the season. He will be 74 at the start of next season. Will he realistically carry on again ? He is already the oldest ever top flight manager when he reached 71.

2. Our squad is really starting to age now. Players are getting into their 30's rather than reaching 30 now. That's without all those out of contract.

The club are in situation where things simply can't carry on.

I would expect us to survive again this season, and maybe reach mid table status (10-12). But come the summer we will be in all sorts of problems if things are sorted out soon.

Otherwise we will be a typical Palace situation of searching for a new manager in the summer, then trying to get new players in (which we are not particularly great in sorting quickly).

Some valid points,Roy deserves to enjoy his long deserved retirement and cannot go on for ever!!
Thomas Frank at Brentford is getting some notable success and of course,we still have Eddie Howe out there somewhere and understand SP talks highly of him.
Time to prepare for the end of Roy's tenure in charge at the end of this season.

 

AERO Flag 23 Dec 20 5.09am

With the important January transfer window coming up ,Will SP give Roy the funds to do business? Or wil he get a fresh manager in for the obvious rehaul that is needed to an ageing squad ? I think the latter .

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Dec 20 9.30am

Originally posted by AERO

With the important January transfer window coming up ,Will SP give Roy the funds to do business? Or wil he get a fresh manager in for the obvious rehaul that is needed to an ageing squad ? I think the latter .

This WILL come as a surprise to me and perhaps thousands others!

 

NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 23 Dec 20 10.47am

Originally posted by AERO

With the important January transfer window coming up ,Will SP give Roy the funds to do business? Or wil he get a fresh manager in for the obvious rehaul that is needed to an ageing squad ? I think the latter .

January is not the window for an overhaul of the squad.
Maybe one in, one out but little more than that.

Given our current points total there is absolutely no reason to replace the manager at this stage either.

 


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Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 23 Dec 20 11.14am

Once Roy gets us to safety, I would like to see him start introducing some younger players from the under 23’s. If he does that I am more than happy for him to carry on next season.

At the moment we have not got the right balance with old experienced heads and young talent.

 

doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 23 Dec 20 12.09pm

Originally posted by AERO

With the important January transfer window coming up ,Will SP give Roy the funds to do business? Or wil he get a fresh manager in for the obvious rehaul that is needed to an ageing squad ? I think the latter .


Unlikely imo. I expect there to be some money for a young CB if the one we have been chasing is available at the right price. Perhaps one other youngster in if the price is right etc.

If the youngsters were under 21 as at 1 Jan this year then they can be included in our first team squad without having to exclude existing members. However, I do wonder as has been said on another thread today whether Batshuayi will be looking for another loan move so as to try and get more game time.

As for Roy, make of this reply to a question what you will:

"I still get as much pleasure from watching the games of football and in particular from training and preparing the games as I've always had.

So all the time that that lasts, there's no reason for me to consider leaving it behind because I know that when the day comes, when I do make a decision to leave the game behind and to not give myself the benefits of training every day, having matches every weekend, I'm going to miss it."

I interpret it as saying "As long as I can still hack it as a manager on the training ground etc., I intend to carry on managing a football club".

So, basically, if he wants to carry on next year and the board are happy with him, Roy will still be our manager. The only thing in my book that might change that scenario is relegation and I do not expect that this season.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 23 Dec 20 1.12pm

Originally posted by doombear


Unlikely imo. I expect there to be some money for a young CB if the one we have been chasing is available at the right price. Perhaps one other youngster in if the price is right etc.

If the youngsters were under 21 as at 1 Jan this year then they can be included in our first team squad without having to exclude existing members. However, I do wonder as has been said on another thread today whether Batshuayi will be looking for another loan move so as to try and get more game time.

As for Roy, make of this reply to a question what you will:

"I still get as much pleasure from watching the games of football and in particular from training and preparing the games as I've always had.

So all the time that that lasts, there's no reason for me to consider leaving it behind because I know that when the day comes, when I do make a decision to leave the game behind and to not give myself the benefits of training every day, having matches every weekend, I'm going to miss it."

I interpret it as saying "As long as I can still hack it as a manager on the training ground etc., I intend to carry on managing a football club".

So, basically, if he wants to carry on next year and the board are happy with him, Roy will still be our manager. The only thing in my book that might change that scenario is relegation and I do not expect that this season.

In the scenario whereby we remain in the PL and Roy Hodgson is at the helm at the end of the season, I suspect the hierarchy will wish him to continue and if he still wishes to do so then he will be our manager next season.

He will have ensured survival for 4 seasons on a limited spend and the sole objective is to remain in the hallowed land of the PL so I cannot foresee the 'Board' wishing to make any changes.

Edited by Willo (23 Dec 2020 1.16pm)

 

jeeagles Flag 23 Dec 20 1.22pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

January is not the window for an overhaul of the squad.
Maybe one in, one out but little more than that.

Given our current points total there is absolutely no reason to replace the manager at this stage either.

I agree. Overhauling squads is expensive, unpredictable, and can lead to unrest.

Ferguson would only make one or two changes each window. The most important thing is to spend the right amount on the right players.

Allardyce signed 4 players. Two of them left backs because we had none in the squad. Souare not have had an accident it would have potentially only taken Sakho and Luka to achieve a significant improvement in performance.

Even Sheffield United could start turning round their run of narrow defeats with only 3 successful signings.

Plus there's no room in the squad.

 

Elphers40 Flag Sunny South Coast 23 Dec 20 1.50pm

I just don’t see Roy walking.
So the more pressing question for me is will SP look to the longer term future ( if there is such a thing in football these days) and appoint a more dynamic and pro active Manager? Again I don’t see that either.
I think we’re stuck with what we’ve got. The silver lining is that we have a decent squad (not that it couldn’t do with a freshen up starting with Sakho. Wickam and Dann) and we have played some good stuff in spells - in particular 1st half against West Ham.

I was hoping Howe might be introduced to the set up - but think that unlikely now. I think Dyche is a great fit for us - and with the squad at Palace I reckon he’d have us playing the type of football we enjoyed under Sir Steve the added bonus would be that without Dyche Burnley go down - so one less place to worry about!

 

Dougie Flag Erin 23 Dec 20 2.12pm

Is this a Palace supporters web site? Most contributors seem to hate the club and everything that is being achieved. They seem to have the same expectations as big rich clubs so go away you lot and support them.

 

Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 23 Dec 20 3.08pm

Originally posted by Dougie

Is this a Palace supporters web site? Most contributors seem to hate the club and everything that is being achieved. They seem to have the same expectations as big rich clubs so go away you lot and support them.

You should see what other fans say about their own clubs, this is pretty easy going on here...

Back to Roy, he stays that’s ok by me. You watch the Premiership manager merry go round once we head into 2021.

Potter the PE teacher down at Brighton, the UBER is on its way along the coastal road!

 

Jacey Flag 23 Dec 20 3.57pm

Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews

You should see what other fans say about their own clubs, this is pretty easy going on here...

Back to Roy, he stays that’s ok by me. You watch the Premiership manager merry go round once we head into 2021.

Potter the PE teacher down at Brighton, the UBER is on its way along the coastal road!

I thought w#nker Potter more as a scout master! ( he is tying himself in knots)

 

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