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Davepalace707 Flag Northumberland 15 Feb 23 9.32am Send a Private Message to Davepalace707 Add Davepalace707 as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I do wonder if this summer will be stage two of the squad overhaul with players who are good servants of the club but who seemingly are no longer seen as first-team regulars being moved on. Some players like Luka, Tomkins and Clyne are probably on higher wages than the club might have to pay to younger players from the Championship or Europe, even if they come with a fee. This could be linked to FFP, although I am guessing. There is also the issue of Zaha and the cost of replacing him. Once the club definitively know whether he is staying that also obviously significantly affects the budget as his wage dwarfs all the other players. As frustrating as it is I think the club possibly planned for this to be a season of consolidation rather than progression.

It certainly looks that way. Whether they intended it or not. I suspect they thought we might get Gallagher which is why Kouyate was let go. When we didn’t they had painted themselves into a corner. Which is where we are now trying to get over the line by end of the season.

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Feb 23 9.48am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Davepalace707

It certainly looks that way. Whether they intended it or not. I suspect they thought we might get Gallagher which is why Kouyate was let go. When we didn’t they had painted themselves into a corner. Which is where we are now trying to get over the line by end of the season.

The club offered Kouyate a 1 year contract but he wanted it to be extended for another year.
Club policy is not to offer 2 year contracts to players in their 30s and Kouyate was 32 at the time.

Edited by Willo (15 Feb 2023 9.51am)

 

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PJEagle Flag London 15 Feb 23 9.53am Send a Private Message to PJEagle Add PJEagle as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I do wonder if this summer will be stage two of the squad overhaul with players who are good servants of the club but who seemingly are no longer seen as first-team regulars being moved on. Some players like Luka, Tomkins and Clyne are probably on higher wages than the club might have to pay to younger players from the Championship or Europe, even if they come with a fee. This could be linked to FFP, although I am guessing. There is also the issue of Zaha and the cost of replacing him. Once the club definitively know whether he is staying that also obviously significantly affects the budget as his wage dwarfs all the other players. As frustrating as it is I think the club possibly planned for this to be a season of consolidation rather than progression.

This summer HAS to be stage two of the overhaul, as so many players who have served the club so well for so many years are well into their thirties and increasingly injury prone. Overhaul stage 1 a couple of years ago went really well, and there's no reason not to believe that stage two won't go well too. But this time we have to replace Wilf, who is the club talisman. We will need a lot of funding from Textor, great choices of incoming talent, and brilliant coaching from PV. A perilous time for the club, and unless everything goes well, relegation could follow.

 

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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 15 Feb 23 9.57am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

I'd be very surprised if we went down this year. The 'games-played' figure keeps ticking away without the league position changing much. That's partly down to us, and partly down to others. We are playing poorly but picking up points along the way. One or two of the teams beneath us are getting their act together, but one or two are a mess, and not capable of the points-per-game ratio required to overtake us.

In the end, at some point or another, we will of course go down. We are not gravity-proof, and I don't understand the mindset that we should be 'kicking on' having 'established ourselves' in this league. We have a much bigger budget than most championship clubs but have never been, and never will be, big fish in the premier league pond.

Our income from the stadium is obviously fixed at a relatively low level in comparison to most of the clubs we compete with. Even the new stand will only bring us closer to our immediate financial rivals, rather than overtaking anyone.

In terms of prize money, the higher up the table we finish the more money we get, but that just means that every year at least half (usually two-thirds) of the clubs we compete with get more than us to spend next time-around. Basic maths tells you that it gets harder every year.

The financial figures are published openly. The FFP rules are complex but the gist is clear. I sometimes wonder if anyone even reads that stuff when I see so many comments moaning about 'investment' and the clubs being tight-fisted etc.

We are absolutely at the glass ceiling as a club. The academy and new stand are all about trying to find ways to stay where we are, but nobody can swim upstream forever.

When we do one day bite the bullet and go down, we should be a far, far healthier club than we were before, and far more likely to exist for future generations. Nobody running the club is incompetent, greedy, or lazy. Anyone with any knowledge of the club's history and the financial context knows that this is, unarguably, Palace at its very best. That is never going to be enough to consistently occupy the next level (European football). There are just too many bigger fish.

Relegation is an inevitable part of the life of every football club bar a very select few. A properly run club is one that can accommodate that reality, and it seems to me that ours can.

Edited by TheBigToePunt (14 Feb 2023 12.37pm)

I think you've introduced a dose of reality here.

If we look at the financials first, Palace are hamstrung in terms of revenue growth. As you rightly say, even the proposed new development will only take us to a level of our peer group.

That in turn restricts Palace's ability to compete in the transfer market. Which also means increased pressure to get the right players in and not waste money.

There are 2 ways around this.

Firstly, the owners could inject more investment into the club. Harris and Blitzer get a lot of bad press, understandably so given their reported interest in taking their money elsewhere. But they have been part of our sustaining our place in the PL. However, if you and I can see a '' glass ceiling '' for Palace, you can guarantee they can as well. Textor then becomes the more interesting character. It's unclear what he ultimately expects from his share of Palace, but I think he's going to take a different approach from them. It's not hard to see a scenario whereby Textor ( finances permitting ) buys H and B's shares. At that point I would anticipate a significant change in how the club is run and by whom. For better or for worse ? - couldn't say.

Secondly, player sales. We've seen plenty of references to how the likes of Brentford and Brighton are thriving at the moment, while Palace stay firmly midtable. Both clubs have sold players at considerable profit without it affecting their ability to compete on the playing field. Our main departures have been AWB and Sorloth in the last few years. Hopefully, but not of course guaranteed, our Academy will bear fruit and we can generate some meaningful transfer fees. But Palace's scouting needs to radically improve as well. Our saleable assets at the moment are Guehi, Andersen, Olise and Eze. The rumour mill has already started re Guehi although the fee quoted must have come from Daniel Levy ! But we may need to become more of a development and selling club to generate funds.

Yes, if eventually we do go down the club will be in a healthier state than before although that's a low benchmark given the days pre 2010's ownership.

For what it's worth I think that Steve Parish has been an outstanding custodian of our football club. I know he's not everybody's cup of tea, but you can't please all of the people all of the time.

An interesting summer beckons....

 


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Midlands Eagle Flag 15 Feb 23 10.49am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Club policy is not to offer 2 year contracts to players in their 30s and Kouyate was 32 at the time.

That will ensure that Zaha doesn't sign an extension then

 

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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Feb 23 10.54am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

That will ensure that Zaha doesn't sign an extension then

I think most think he isn't going to anyway. I don't know why Vieira thinks he still might. Only difference from a couple of seasons ago is it won't be with anyone that good.

 


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DANGERCLOSE Flag London 15 Feb 23 11.02am Send a Private Message to DANGERCLOSE Add DANGERCLOSE as a friend

Originally posted by The groover

And they face each other sat!

Its defo one to watch with interest

 

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doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 15 Feb 23 11.35am Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

The club offered Kouyate a 1 year contract but he wanted it to be extended for another year.
Club policy is not to offer 2 year contracts to players in their 30s and Kouyate was 32 at the time.

Edited by Willo (15 Feb 2023 9.51am)


And his last game this season was against us in early November, since when he has been out with a hamstring injury.

 

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Jacey Flag 15 Feb 23 12.05pm Send a Private Message to Jacey Add Jacey as a friend

Originally posted by Willo


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The club offered Kouyate a 1 year contract but he wanted it to be extended for another year.
Club policy is not to offer 2 year contracts to players in their 30s and Kouyate was 32 at the time.

Edited by Willo (15 Feb 2023 9.51am)

Big mistake by Parish not to the him down for two years.
Possible relegation,me thinks,will cost a whole lot more!!

 

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MrRobbo Flag Chaldon 15 Feb 23 12.11pm Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by doombear

And his last game this season was against us in early November, since when he has been out with a hamstring injury.

Which is why you don't offer the oldies long contracts.

 

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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 15 Feb 23 12.21pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by MrRobbo

Which is why you don't offer the oldies long contracts.

Precisely.

However the 'out with the old' is often without the 'in with the new' which I'd suggest is where the ire originates from.

ASL and Ahamada may well fill that gap however even now it seems as though we let half a season go before deciding to attempt to fill the gap left by Kouyate and McArthur. It may take a while for them to find their feet too, naturally, which would be a greater proportion of the season with an integral gap left unfilled let alone improved upon, which is what most fans would hope for in the first instance.

Edited by Nicholas91 (15 Feb 2023 12.21pm)

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 15 Feb 23 1.36pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Jacey

Big mistake by Parish not to the him down for two years.
Possible relegation,me thinks,will cost a whole lot more!!


I disagree. As I posted earlier he's been out with a hamstring injury since his game against us early November. Those kinds of injury tend to be an issue for the older players and take longer to heal for most of them and such injuries tend to re-occur- just ask Jimmy Mac.

 

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