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Badger11 Beckenham 15 Nov 23 12.58pm
Originally posted by BrentisBack Is there room for nuance in your statement? Or is it black and white. There may be many reasons why some are long term unemployed for example. Disabilities. General uselessness. Job loss due to automation. Going forward this will definitely happen which is why mass immigration of unskilled labour is not a very bright idea. BT laying off tens of thousands to name one amongst many. One more point
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Beckenham 15 Nov 23 12.58pm

Originally posted by BrentisBack

Is there room for nuance in your statement? Or is it black and white.
There may be many reasons why some are long term unemployed for example. Disabilities. General uselessness. Job loss due to automation.

Going forward this will definitely happen which is why mass immigration of unskilled labour is not a very bright idea.

BT laying off tens of thousands to name one amongst many.

One more point

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Spiderman Horsham 15 Nov 23 1.07pm
Originally posted by BrentisBack We don't have to look long or hard at all. It's because the tories have run the services into the round with cuts and under funding. Nothing to do with immigrants. There's not that many of them to cause any difference in services at all. You're all just fed that as a distraction by the Tory owned press and fall for it. and you fall for what the left wing media say, presumably? You really do not believe that the mass immigration we are experiencing atm has not effect on public services? Having worked fir BF and interviewed 100s of “asylum seekers” I can assure you for many ( not all) their uppermost thoughts are not explaining why they fear fir their lives but demanding, house, money. Cross Channel migrants laugh at the clothes they are given, whilst talking on their mobile phones. Desperate impoverished you decide
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Horsham 15 Nov 23 1.07pm

Originally posted by BrentisBack

We don't have to look long or hard at all. It's because the tories have run the services into the round with cuts and under funding. Nothing to do with immigrants. There's not that many of them to cause any difference in services at all. You're all just fed that as a distraction by the Tory owned press and fall for it.

and you fall for what the left wing media say, presumably? You really do not believe that the mass immigration we are experiencing atm has not effect on public services?
Having worked fir BF and interviewed 100s of “asylum seekers” I can assure you for many ( not all) their uppermost thoughts are not explaining why they fear fir their lives but demanding, house, money. Cross Channel migrants laugh at the clothes they are given, whilst talking on their mobile phones. Desperate impoverished you decide

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BrentisBack Beckenham 15 Nov 23 1.17pm
Originally posted by Henry of Peckham Oh really? The "unelected PM" appoints his Cabinet so by default she becomes an "unelected" Minister (note the quotation marks). Gordon Brown was an odious character in government and so were some of his advisors and Cabinet Ministers. I think that we are starting to see that all MP's are odious characters. With the benefit of technology giving us the ability to communicate this amongst ourselves in real time and see that a lot of people are also starting to realise this, you have to wonder how long they are going to be able to keep having our pants down.
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Beckenham 15 Nov 23 1.17pm

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

Oh really? The "unelected PM" appoints his Cabinet so by default she becomes an "unelected" Minister (note the quotation marks).

Gordon Brown was an odious character in government and so were some of his advisors and Cabinet Ministers.

I think that we are starting to see that all MP's are odious characters. With the benefit of technology giving us the ability to communicate this amongst ourselves in real time and see that a lot of people are also starting to realise this, you have to wonder how long they are going to be able to keep having our pants down.

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georgenorman 15 Nov 23 1.39pm
Originally posted by BrentisBack Winston Churchill’s government who defeated the ultra right wing German Nazi party. A party that liberated the world from the clutches of the evil right, makes said party? What? Are you saying Churchill's wartime government was a socialist/communist government?
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15 Nov 23 1.39pm

Originally posted by BrentisBack

Winston Churchill’s government who defeated the ultra right wing German Nazi party. A party that liberated the world from the clutches of the evil right, makes said party?

What? Are you saying Churchill's wartime government was a socialist/communist government?

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Stirlingsays 15 Nov 23 2.22pm
Originally posted by Henry of Peckham Oh really? The "unelected PM" appoints his Cabinet so by default she becomes an "unelected" Minister (note the quotation marks). Gordon Brown was an odious character in government and so were some of his advisors and Cabinet Ministers. We agree on the uncomfortable aspect of a PM coming about without a public vote. However, a country has to be run so I'm not sure that much practical can be done about it. Obviously we concur on Brown and the cabal of Brownites that supported him. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2023 2.23pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Nov 23 2.22pm

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

Oh really? The "unelected PM" appoints his Cabinet so by default she becomes an "unelected" Minister (note the quotation marks).

Gordon Brown was an odious character in government and so were some of his advisors and Cabinet Ministers.

We agree on the uncomfortable aspect of a PM coming about without a public vote. However, a country has to be run so I'm not sure that much practical can be done about it.

Obviously we concur on Brown and the cabal of Brownites that supported him.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2023 2.23pm)

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PalazioVecchio south pole 15 Nov 23 2.27pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Obviously we concur on Brown and the cabal of Brownites that supported him. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2023 2.23pm) a bunch of skidmarks Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Obviously we concur on Brown and the cabal of Brownites that supported him.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2023 2.23pm)

a bunch of skidmarks

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Nov 23 2.33pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You just know he's going to string this out. Both Sunak and Braverman knew full well that the current laws would disallow the Rwanda plan. Now we will see a rejig where we send our own people to Rwanda to set up a proper refugee system that will try to satisfy our courts. If that fails for whatever reason, we will then change the law in a way that will get through Parliament. This will all no doubt be timed to happen just before an election is called. It will be the Tories last gambit to avoid electoral wipe out.
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15 Nov 23 2.33pm

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You just know he's going to string this out.

Both Sunak and Braverman knew full well that the current laws would disallow the Rwanda plan.
Now we will see a rejig where we send our own people to Rwanda to set up a proper refugee system that will try to satisfy our courts.

If that fails for whatever reason, we will then change the law in a way that will get through Parliament.
This will all no doubt be timed to happen just before an election is called.

It will be the Tories last gambit to avoid electoral wipe out.

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the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 15 Nov 23 2.34pm
Originally posted by BrentisBack Hopefully Labour will be able to get the NHS back to somewhere close to the record high satifaction ratings that they had it at before the Tories came in and absolutely sht on it and brought it to it's knees, along with all of the public services. Dream on !!* unless Ive just been wooshed
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The garden of England.(not really) 15 Nov 23 2.34pm

Originally posted by BrentisBack

Hopefully Labour will be able to get the NHS back to somewhere close to the record high satifaction ratings that they had it at before the Tories came in and absolutely sh*t on it and brought it to it's knees, along with all of the public services.

Dream on !! unless Ive just been wooshed

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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Nov 23 2.35pm
Originally posted by BrentisBack He won't. He can't. Are you still here?
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15 Nov 23 2.35pm

Originally posted by BrentisBack

He won't. He can't.

Are you still here?

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Stirlingsays 15 Nov 23 2.52pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Both Sunak and Braverman knew full well that the current laws would disallow the Rwanda plan. Now we will see a rejig where we send our own people to Rwanda to set up a proper refugee system that will try to satisfy our courts. If that fails for whatever reason, we will then change the law in a way that will get through Parliament. This will all no doubt be timed to happen just before an election is called. It will be the Tories last gambit to avoid electoral wipe out. Over 140 million we gave to Rwanda Hrolf....Over 140 million to build infrastructure, when we knew this was the likely result from our liberal legal system.....and that's not even counting all the lawyer fees and so on. Nor does it count the utter huge waste of money we give to the French for them to laugh at us and let the boats come anyway. Sunak nor Cleverly will do nothing, it's performative as they don't really care....it's all lies and Jam tomorrow with the left of the conservatives. Lying has worked for them for decades and they aren't going to change. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2023 2.53pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Nov 23 2.52pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

If that fails for whatever reason, we will then change the law in a way that will get through Parliament.
This will all no doubt be timed to happen just before an election is called.

It will be the Tories last gambit to avoid electoral wipe out.

Over 140 million we gave to Rwanda Hrolf....Over 140 million to build infrastructure, when we knew this was the likely result from our liberal legal system.....and that's not even counting all the lawyer fees and so on.

Nor does it count the utter huge waste of money we give to the French for them to laugh at us and let the boats come anyway.

Sunak nor Cleverly will do nothing, it's performative as they don't really care....it's all lies and Jam tomorrow with the left of the conservatives. Lying has worked for them for decades and they aren't going to change.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2023 2.53pm)

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georgenorman 15 Nov 23 3.17pm
I think Sunak will announce a General Election in his imminent broadcast.
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15 Nov 23 3.17pm

I think Sunak will announce a General Election in his imminent broadcast.

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BrentisBack Beckenham 15 Nov 23 3.17pm
Originally posted by georgenorman What? Are you saying Churchill's wartime government was a socialist/communist government? It was rather tongue in cheek more than realistic. Just that they opposed the right wing and won.
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BrentisBack

Beckenham 15 Nov 23 3.17pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

What? Are you saying Churchill's wartime government was a socialist/communist government?

It was rather tongue in cheek more than realistic. Just that they opposed the right wing and won.

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