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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 20 Nov 19 2.00pm

Originally posted by susmik

Just to educate you a bit further: [Link]

Well that is an eye opening and sorry I missed all this at the time. There is a strong argument for modernising our electoral system but aside from the cost no doubt the human rights brigade will complain if councils start checking on who voted and where.

 


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susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 20 Nov 19 7.30pm

Originally posted by Badger11

I think you may have misread my post or I may not have made my self clear. I was not being sarcastic I was genuinely asking as you appear to be from that area so I was bowing to your local knowledge.

Peace and love.

Ditto.......At the moment the council down here are trying to cover up their usual "fixing of votes" by putting out loads of BS saying it was a genuine mistake.....as they did last time. Johnny Mercer is on their case now so should see some more on this story pretty soon.

 


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silvertop Flag Portishead 20 Nov 19 8.55pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

ITV innit. The BBC1 Fiona Bruce programme was better. 40 mins. Farage got a real grilling from the audience. Did well I thought. I liked the ‘Well done’’ starts to his answers when an audience member went OTT at him and mostly got it wrong.

I will admit to not watching the debates. To have a top 2 head to head was not representative and I would be chucking stuff at the box every time f3ck face says "get Brexit done"

As to a debate involving the "rest" the last time this was tried it was described as a bunch of seagulls scrapping over a bag of chips.

Crap TV

 

Matov Flag 20 Nov 19 10.52pm

Watched Nigel Farage being grilled on the BBC. Wow. Made me wish that the Brexit Party had been started a while ago because if it stood a chance of getting into power then it truly would be an evolution of our system of Governance. A radical agenda by any standard. Abolishing the House of Lords, bringing in PR and abolishing the Supreme Court which has shown itself up as just being a tool of the political establishment.

Once we have left the EU I truly hope that Farage keeps it going and helps it become a continued force in British politics because we need a real change.

 


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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 20 Nov 19 11.56pm

Canterbury changed from Conservative to Labour by the thinnest of margins due to UOKAC Union bussing students to polling stations on promise of fees refund if they voted labour.Some of the silly idiots turned up at the admin office to register for refund after Corbyn failed to get a majority, i.e. lost

Questions raised at the time about student registration and potential double voting

Originally posted by Badger11

I think you may have misread my post or I may not have made my self clear. I was not being sarcastic I was genuinely asking as you appear to be from that area so I was bowing to your local knowledge.

Peace and love.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 21 Nov 19 6.42am

I'm hearing Labour are apparently planning to call for an inquiry into the 'crimes' of the British Empire.

Not in my name they aren't. Only an enemy of the British state would do such a thing.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Nov 2019 6.44am)

 


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becky Flag over the moon 21 Nov 19 7.31am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm hearing Labour are apparently planning to call for an inquiry into the 'crimes' of the British Empire.

Not in my name they aren't. Only an enemy of the British state would do such a thing.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Nov 2019 6.44am)

If we have to give India their jewels back, do we get our railway back in exchange? Could save HS2 a fortune in track........

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 21 Nov 19 8.52am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I'm hearing Labour are apparently planning to call for an inquiry into the 'crimes' of the British Empire.

Not in my name they aren't. Only an enemy of the British state would do such a thing.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Nov 2019 6.44am)

Corbyn wants to fight the battles of the seventies and eighties, restore trade union power, nationalise stuff and revisit our history. Not very forward looking.

Education in the country is dominated by the left I have no doubt that they educate our young about the "evil empire" no need for a commission then.

What Labour really needs is a leader who looks to the future threat that automation will destroy millions of jobs in or out of the EU. How are Labour planning for this?

Instead we have a Labour Leader who probably wants to relive his youth when he was on the picket line at Wapping with my mate or marching in ban the bomb demos. Now we all like to remember the good old days but that shouldn't be party policy.

Edited by Badger11 (21 Nov 2019 8.53am)

 


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serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 21 Nov 19 10.30am

Originally posted by Badger11

Corbyn wants to fight the battles of the seventies and eighties, restore trade union power, nationalise stuff and revisit our history. Not very forward looking.

Education in the country is dominated by the left I have no doubt that they educate our young about the "evil empire" no need for a commission then.

What Labour really needs is a leader who looks to the future threat that automation will destroy millions of jobs in or out of the EU. How are Labour planning for this?

Instead we have a Labour Leader who probably wants to relive his youth when he was on the picket line at Wapping with my mate or marching in ban the bomb demos. Now we all like to remember the good old days but that shouldn't be party policy.

Edited by Badger11 (21 Nov 2019 8.53am)

If you are genuinely interested, it's worth listening to John McDonnell lay out how labour policy will guide the next revolution in automation in the workplace. This is a good interview: [Link]

Or you can keep listening to Boris saying 'Get Brexit Done' whilst w***ing in to a Union Jack hanckerchief.


Edited by serial thriller (21 Nov 2019 10.31am)

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 21 Nov 19 11.09am

Originally posted by serial thriller

If you are genuinely interested, it's worth listening to John McDonnell lay out how labour policy will guide the next revolution in automation in the workplace. This is a good interview: [Link]

Or you can keep listening to Boris saying 'Get Brexit Done' whilst w***ing in to a Union Jack hanckerchief.


Edited by serial thriller (21 Nov 2019 10.31am)


Cheers, I'll get Brexit done thanks, as we voted for.

I'll save the Marxist takeover for another never.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (21 Nov 2019 11.09am)

 

Deleted11 21 Nov 19 11.30am

Didn't think much of the debates really. Corbyn didn't make a complete tit of himself, but didn't really convince, me at least, that he has what it takes to win an election. Boris stuck to his few points, mainly Get Brexit Done. I think a typical debating strategy of 'framing' a debate, rather than some form of conversation.

I do think this is an outdated form of 'debate', however, I did enjoy the small jewels that were not caught on by Corbyn, from Boris. The obvious ones were; Why are you delaying the Corp Rate Tax cut? The whole Tory speel is that it doesn't matter about the %, but the money coming in. This is actually a policy a agree with, with my own provisos, mainly because, if the Corp Tax rate is put down to 10%, you instantly kill 90% if not more of the tax havens, so the business pours into the UK, however, I would not allow party donations from businesses, just individuals.

The other one was Boris saying the economy was amazing because of low interest rates. I think I've made my case on why this is a complete fallacy and that should have been contested, but, it just goes to show that neither party, or probably all parties, have any grasp of why low interest rates are a bad signal. It's quite depressing.

With regard to Stirling's point on Corbyn having an enquiry into crimes of the British empire. I don't see a major problem with it, however, these things are never that simple. If you want to do this, surely it's better to do it in an independent review of World crimes, e.g. all members of NATO doing it. Also, what will be done on the results of the review?

 

Stirlingsays Flag 21 Nov 19 11.32am

Originally posted by serial thriller

If you are genuinely interested, it's worth listening to John McDonnell lay out how labour policy will guide the next revolution in automation in the workplace. This is a good interview: [Link]

Or you can keep listening to Boris saying 'Get Brexit Done' whilst w***ing in to a Union Jack hanckerchief.


Edited by serial thriller (21 Nov 2019 10.31am)

As opposed to your hatred of what the Union Jack stands for.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Nov 2019 11.33am)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 21 Nov 19 11.38am

Originally posted by Jway89

With regard to Stirling's point on Corbyn having an enquiry into crimes of the British empire. I don't see a major problem with it, however, these things are never that simple. If you want to do this, surely it's better to do it in an independent review of World crimes, e.g. all members of NATO doing it. Also, what will be done on the results of the review?

To what purpose though?

If you're going to look at empire then why fixate upon the British?

As for the idea of an 'independent' UN panel....I'm not one who thinks that's possible, these things are inherently subjective.

As ever, who is selecting and judging the judges and what are their biases?....You'd need an 'independent' panel for that.....it's a looping nightmare.


Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Nov 2019 11.59am)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 21 Nov 19 11.43am

Originally posted by becky

If we have to give India their jewels back, do we get our railway back in exchange? Could save HS2 a fortune in track........

And all the rest of it, the institutions, democracy, agricultural technologies.....The British empire over extended itself in India.

As ever, it's the 'and what did the Romans ever do for us'.....If we hadn't been there India might be with Afghanistan today.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Nov 2019 11.44am)

 


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sickboy Flag Deal or Croydon 21 Nov 19 11.46am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

To what purpose though?

If you're going to look at empire then why fixate upon the British?

As for the idea of an 'independent' UN panel....I'm not one who things that's possible, these thinks are inherently subjective.

As ever, who is selecting and judging the judges and what are their biases?....You'd need an 'independent' panel for that.....it's a looping nightmare.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Nov 2019 11.40am)

Got your things and thinks arse about face there stirls.

 

Deleted11 21 Nov 19 11.46am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

To what purpose though?

If you're going to look at empire then why fixate upon the British?

As for the idea of an 'independent' UN panel....I'm not one who things that's possible, these thinks are inherently subjective.

As ever, who is selecting and judging the judges and what are their biases?....You'd need an 'independent' panel for that.....it's a looping nightmare.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Nov 2019 11.40am)

That's exactly the point of why it's extremely difficult to do these things.
I don't have an issue with studying the 'real' history of Empire, etc, in schools, but to bring it up from a political POV, imo, just shows a lack of focus on trying to increase the fortunes of the current population.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 21 Nov 19 11.58am

Originally posted by sickboy

Got your things and thinks arse about face there stirls.

Hic!

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 21 Nov 19 12.01pm

Originally posted by Jway89

That's exactly the point of why it's extremely difficult to do these things.
I don't have an issue with studying the 'real' history of Empire, etc, in schools, but to bring it up from a political POV, imo, just shows a lack of focus on trying to increase the fortunes of the current population.

If I were teaching British history in schools it would certainly be more positive and nuanced than the 'guilt trip' nonsense that's been pushed since the boomers.

 


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sickboy Flag Deal or Croydon 21 Nov 19 12.11pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If I were teaching British history in schools it would certainly be more positive and nuanced than the 'guilt trip' nonsense that's been pushed since the boomers.

My kids are now in their mid 20s.
Due to the "holes" in certain parts of their historical education i am planning on taking them to Auschwitz. I know that doesnt read right but i think you get the gist.
Especially now they know about the families jewish heritage which we only found out about a couple of years ago.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 21 Nov 19 12.14pm

Originally posted by sickboy

My kids are now in their mid 20s.
Due to the "holes" in certain parts of their historical education i am planning on taking them to Auschwitz. I know that doesnt read right but i think you get the gist.
Especially now they know about the families jewish heritage which we only found out about a couple of years ago.

Poignant.

 


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