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Badger11 Beckenham 21 Nov 19 2.40pm
Alex Salmond is doing his bit for the SNP [Link] What did Oscar Wilde say, to face 1 allegation from one person is unfortunate to face 14 allegations from 10 different people well ..... One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 21 Nov 19 2.40pm

Alex Salmond is doing his bit for the SNP

[Link]

What did Oscar Wilde say, to face 1 allegation from one person is unfortunate to face 14 allegations from 10 different people well .....

One more point

chris123 hove actually 21 Nov 19 2.43pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Alex Salmond is doing his bit for the SNP [Link] What did Oscar Wilde say, to face 1 allegation from one person is unfortunate to face 14 allegations from 10 different people well ..... ...Reading gaol.

chris123

hove actually 21 Nov 19 2.43pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Alex Salmond is doing his bit for the SNP

[Link]

What did Oscar Wilde say, to face 1 allegation from one person is unfortunate to face 14 allegations from 10 different people well .....

...Reading gaol.

Badger11 Beckenham 21 Nov 19 2.52pm
Just spotted this from Labour's manifesto "reducing the voting age to 16, giving full voting rights to all UK residents, making sure everyone who is entitled to vote can do so by introducing a system of automatic voter registration, and abandoning plans to introduce voter ID which has been shown to harm democratic rights." There is a argument to be had over reducing the voting age personally I am against it. However it clearly favours Labour who will not now id check people who will be automatically registered. Now what is that word, Jeremy no Jerry got it Gerrymandering. I cannot see how an automatic voter registration can possibly work and be fair, its ripe for incompetence and voter fraud. For instance: Harry lives in Bromley and when he is 16 is added to the voter list. As Harry moves through life he changes his home address on multiple occasions, sometimes in Bromley maybe the other side of the country. Does anyway believe that the local councils are capable of keeping track of him and removing him or adding him when required. Good luck with that they'll be duplicate Harry registrations all over the place. Ironically if Labour introduced a national ID scheme and made voters present their id when voting then automatic enrolment would make sense. Edited by Badger11 (21 Nov 2019 2.55pm) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 21 Nov 19 2.52pm

Just spotted this from Labour's manifesto

"reducing the voting age to 16, giving full voting rights to all UK residents, making sure everyone who is entitled to vote can do so by introducing a system of automatic voter registration, and abandoning plans to introduce voter ID which has been shown to harm democratic rights."

There is a argument to be had over reducing the voting age personally I am against it. However it clearly favours Labour who will not now id check people who will be automatically registered.

Now what is that word, Jeremy no Jerry got it Gerrymandering.

I cannot see how an automatic voter registration can possibly work and be fair, its ripe for incompetence and voter fraud. For instance:

Harry lives in Bromley and when he is 16 is added to the voter list. As Harry moves through life he changes his home address on multiple occasions, sometimes in Bromley maybe the other side of the country. Does anyway believe that the local councils are capable of keeping track of him and removing him or adding him when required. Good luck with that they'll be duplicate Harry registrations all over the place.

Ironically if Labour introduced a national ID scheme and made voters present their id when voting then automatic enrolment would make sense.

Edited by Badger11 (21 Nov 2019 2.55pm)

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Badger11 Beckenham 21 Nov 19 2.53pm
Originally posted by chris123 ...Reading gaol. LOL One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 21 Nov 19 2.53pm

Originally posted by chris123

...Reading gaol.

LOL

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W12 21 Nov 19 2.56pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Depends which system they're in. From experience private education is much broader and covered most of those topics, from slavery and abolition through to world wars, the fall of communism and so on. Granted that was 20 years ago but knowing plenty of people who went through the state system, it's nowhere near as expansive, in pretty much all areas. Both my kids are in private education at different schools and I'm having to intervene directly with them on a clearly left wing bias curriculum e.g. they will do a whole term on "empire and slavery" but barely cover the Magna Carter or the Bill of Rights. The whole system is rotten to the core.

W12 21 Nov 19 2.56pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Depends which system they're in. From experience private education is much broader and covered most of those topics, from slavery and abolition through to world wars, the fall of communism and so on. Granted that was 20 years ago but knowing plenty of people who went through the state system, it's nowhere near as expansive, in pretty much all areas.

Both my kids are in private education at different schools and I'm having to intervene directly with them on a clearly left wing bias curriculum e.g. they will do a whole term on "empire and slavery" but barely cover the Magna Carter or the Bill of Rights. The whole system is rotten to the core.

cpfc_chap koh samui 21 Nov 19 4.36pm
Originally posted by Badger11 From that poll the Brexit party is rapidly becoming an irrelevance. I think people will be surprised how many Labour leave constituencies they will win!

cpfc_chap

koh samui 21 Nov 19 4.36pm

Originally posted by Badger11

From that poll the Brexit party is rapidly becoming an irrelevance.

I think people will be surprised how many Labour leave constituencies they will win!

Badger11 Beckenham 21 Nov 19 4.43pm
Originally posted by W12 Both my kids are in private education at different schools and I'm having to intervene directly with them on a clearly left wing bias curriculum e.g. they will do a whole term on "empire and slavery" but barely cover the Magna Carter or the Bill of Rights. The whole system is rotten to the core. I don't expect you to agree but for once Labour is correct about removing charitable status from private schools. It's a tax break for the better off and whilst I think private education is great it is only for those lucky to afford it. Charitable status should only be allowed if any person regardless of income could attend, not sure how that would work. Abolishing private schools is ridiculous. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 21 Nov 19 4.43pm

Originally posted by W12

Both my kids are in private education at different schools and I'm having to intervene directly with them on a clearly left wing bias curriculum e.g. they will do a whole term on "empire and slavery" but barely cover the Magna Carter or the Bill of Rights. The whole system is rotten to the core.

I don't expect you to agree but for once Labour is correct about removing charitable status from private schools. It's a tax break for the better off and whilst I think private education is great it is only for those lucky to afford it.

Charitable status should only be allowed if any person regardless of income could attend, not sure how that would work.

Abolishing private schools is ridiculous.

One more point

Stirlingsays 21 Nov 19 4.54pm
Originally posted by W12 Both my kids are in private education at different schools and I'm having to intervene directly with them on a clearly left wing bias curriculum e.g. they will do a whole term on "empire and slavery" but barely cover the Magna Carter or the Bill of Rights. The whole system is rotten to the core. Education is riddled with left wing attitudes in pretty much every subject now. A few years back you could point at STEM and console yourself that it wasn't in the hard sciences.....but that has been changing as well. Peterson says....take your kids out. He has a serious point. However, as always it depends upon what your child(ren) requires. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

21 Nov 19 4.54pm

Originally posted by W12

Education is riddled with left wing attitudes in pretty much every subject now. A few years back you could point at STEM and console yourself that it wasn't in the hard sciences.....but that has been changing as well.

Peterson says....take your kids out. He has a serious point. However, as always it depends upon what your child(ren) requires.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 21 Nov 19 5.07pm
Originally posted by Badger11 I don't expect you to agree but for once Labour is correct about removing charitable status from private schools. It's a tax break for the better off and whilst I think private education is great it is only for those lucky to afford it. Charitable status should only be allowed if any person regardless of income could attend, not sure how that would work. Abolishing private schools is ridiculous. I see sense in private schools for the seriously high IQ...130 and above for example. Outside of that it's always been hard to justify state help in private schools for those with enough to afford it....private schools without help is a possibility. I totally understand why hard working parents would wish to advantage their children. We see politicians from all party tribes doing it. It's not just about the education and better behaviour it's about the networking. Then again, the system as it is doesn't help the meritocratic system as money rather than sheer ability plays its role That said, any changes to private provision can only be done pretty slowly. The state system struggles to cope with the ridiculous population increases as it is. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Nov 2019 5.09pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

21 Nov 19 5.07pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Charitable status should only be allowed if any person regardless of income could attend, not sure how that would work.

Abolishing private schools is ridiculous.

I see sense in private schools for the seriously high IQ...130 and above for example.

Outside of that it's always been hard to justify state help in private schools for those with enough to afford it....private schools without help is a possibility.

I totally understand why hard working parents would wish to advantage their children. We see politicians from all party tribes doing it. It's not just about the education and better behaviour it's about the networking.

Then again, the system as it is doesn't help the meritocratic system as money rather than sheer ability plays its role

That said, any changes to private provision can only be done pretty slowly. The state system struggles to cope with the ridiculous population increases as it is.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Nov 2019 5.09pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Badger11 Beckenham 21 Nov 19 5.30pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I see sense in private schools for the seriously high IQ...130 and above for example. Outside of that it's always been hard to justify state help in private schools for those with enough to afford it....private schools without help is a possibility. I totally understand why hard working parents would wish to advantage their children. We see politicians from all party tribes doing it. It's not just about the education and better behaviour it's about the networking. Then again, the system as it is doesn't help the meritocratic system as money rather than sheer ability plays its role That said, any changes to private provision can only be done pretty slowly. The state system struggles to cope with the ridiculous population increases as it is. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Nov 2019 5.09pm) Agreed I don't want to break up private education and it should not be overnight as the schools will have to adjust to the loss of earnings. I would also make it part of an overall review of the charity sector. There are now many organisation that in my humble opinion don't deserve it. Charities that spend a large percentage of income on themselves rather than on the good cause. Organisations that are actually campaign groups / protest groups using the fig leaf of a charity. It sounds a lot more benign if the MSM report that a Charity commissioned report states such and such is terrible as opposed to Protest group demands change. I am not saying any of these group have done anything wrong its the rules that need tightening up. In America apparently it is even worse, all sorts of rich people setup up charities which are nothing more than tax shelters. Edited by Badger11 (21 Nov 2019 5.31pm) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 21 Nov 19 5.30pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I see sense in private schools for the seriously high IQ...130 and above for example.

Outside of that it's always been hard to justify state help in private schools for those with enough to afford it....private schools without help is a possibility.

Then again, the system as it is doesn't help the meritocratic system as money rather than sheer ability plays its role

That said, any changes to private provision can only be done pretty slowly. The state system struggles to cope with the ridiculous population increases as it is.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Nov 2019 5.09pm)

Agreed I don't want to break up private education and it should not be overnight as the schools will have to adjust to the loss of earnings.

I would also make it part of an overall review of the charity sector. There are now many organisation that in my humble opinion don't deserve it. Charities that spend a large percentage of income on themselves rather than on the good cause.

Organisations that are actually campaign groups / protest groups using the fig leaf of a charity. It sounds a lot more benign if the MSM report that a Charity commissioned report states such and such is terrible as opposed to Protest group demands change.

I am not saying any of these group have done anything wrong its the rules that need tightening up. In America apparently it is even worse, all sorts of rich people setup up charities which are nothing more than tax shelters.

Edited by Badger11 (21 Nov 2019 5.31pm)

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Badger11 Beckenham 21 Nov 19 5.46pm
Labour pledge to abolish Universal Credit, why? It's cost a fortune to roll out and the principle of simplifying the benefits system is one even critics would agree with. However Labour would rather spend billions re-inventing the wheel. I don't believe it is so broke that it cannot be fixed. The main issues the media normally refer to are - It's not enough to live on. Well if Labour want to replace it presumbably they would increase the money so that's not a reason. - Delays in receiving the first payment. The Tories have said this has now gone away but if not should be easy to fix. - Inconsistent payments due to the number of days in the month e.g. you get more in January then you do in February. Well this was just plain bloody stupid by the Tories calculate the annual amount and divide by 12 how hard is that. Any replacement system will take years to roll out and to what end just because Labour don't like UC. It's why I hate politicians if UC was a Labour idea they would fix it but when the Tories got in they would replace it. We must waste so much money in this country undoing what the other guys did. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 21 Nov 19 5.46pm

Labour pledge to abolish Universal Credit, why?

It's cost a fortune to roll out and the principle of simplifying the benefits system is one even critics would agree with. However Labour would rather spend billions re-inventing the wheel. I don't believe it is so broke that it cannot be fixed.

The main issues the media normally refer to are

- It's not enough to live on.
Well if Labour want to replace it presumbably they would increase the money so that's not a reason.
- Delays in receiving the first payment. The Tories have said this has now gone away but if not should be easy to fix.
- Inconsistent payments due to the number of days in the month e.g. you get more in January then you do in February. Well this was just plain bloody stupid by the Tories calculate the annual amount and divide by 12 how hard is that.

Any replacement system will take years to roll out and to what end just because Labour don't like UC. It's why I hate politicians if UC was a Labour idea they would fix it but when the Tories got in they would replace it. We must waste so much money in this country undoing what the other guys did.

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cryrst The garden of England 21 Nov 19 5.56pm
Universal credit replaced 13 different benefits. 13 different claims. It has created fairness whereby if you work you should be the same minimum or better off financially than someone on benefits. Many benefits overlapped so meant you could claim the max on all of them and be raking it in. How is that fair?

cryrst

The garden of England 21 Nov 19 5.56pm

Universal credit replaced 13 different benefits.
13 different claims.
It has created fairness whereby if you work you should be the same minimum or better off financially than someone on benefits.
Many benefits overlapped so meant you could claim the max on all of them and be raking it in.
How is that fair?

elgrande bedford 21 Nov 19 6.19pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays To what purpose though? If you're going to look at empire then why fixate upon the British? As for the idea of an 'independent' UN panel....I'm not one who thinks that's possible, these things are inherently subjective. As ever, who is selecting and judging the judges and what are their biases?....You'd need an 'independent' panel for that.....it's a looping nightmare. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Nov 2019 11.59am) Can we have an review In to the Roman empire,I'm sure i had ancestors mistreated by them. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 21 Nov 19 6.19pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

To what purpose though?

If you're going to look at empire then why fixate upon the British?

As for the idea of an 'independent' UN panel....I'm not one who thinks that's possible, these things are inherently subjective.

As ever, who is selecting and judging the judges and what are their biases?....You'd need an 'independent' panel for that.....it's a looping nightmare.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Nov 2019 11.59am)

Can we have an review In to the Roman empire,I'm sure i had ancestors mistreated by them.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

Stirlingsays 21 Nov 19 6.34pm
Originally posted by Badger11 The issue I had with Corbyn talking to the terrorists was that he represented no one but himself. Naturally the Tories wanted nothing to do with him but the Labour party of Blair also distanced itself from him whilst they negotiated with the terrorists. Some of the IRA leaders have gone on record saying they use Corbyn to embarrass the government but that was all, once the discussions started he was ignored. Some people have tried to rewrite history and suggest that Corbyn played a role in bringing peace to NI. He didn't, lots of other people did play a role from all walks of life the most you can say of Corbyn was that he was consistent protestor and campaigner for a United Ireland. Nothing wrong in talking to both sides I look forward to him having meetings with Israel and protestant terrorists something he so far has not managed in his busy schedule. Corbyn stated an equivalence between the British Army and the IRA when it came to attacks. He isn't a fit person to represent the British taxpayer.....in fact, in all seriousness it's a joke that he leads the Labour party. And that's not saying that the far left can't lead it....but it is saying that a person with his track record should not be in charge of our armed forces. If I were a general I wouldn't be able to stomach it. Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Nov 2019 6.36pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

21 Nov 19 6.34pm

Originally posted by Badger11

The issue I had with Corbyn talking to the terrorists was that he represented no one but himself. Naturally the Tories wanted nothing to do with him but the Labour party of Blair also distanced itself from him whilst they negotiated with the terrorists.

Some of the IRA leaders have gone on record saying they use Corbyn to embarrass the government but that was all, once the discussions started he was ignored.

Some people have tried to rewrite history and suggest that Corbyn played a role in bringing peace to NI. He didn't, lots of other people did play a role from all walks of life the most you can say of Corbyn was that he was consistent protestor and campaigner for a United Ireland.

Nothing wrong in talking to both sides I look forward to him having meetings with Israel and protestant terrorists something he so far has not managed in his busy schedule.

Corbyn stated an equivalence between the British Army and the IRA when it came to attacks.

He isn't a fit person to represent the British taxpayer.....in fact, in all seriousness it's a joke that he leads the Labour party.

And that's not saying that the far left can't lead it....but it is saying that a person with his track record should not be in charge of our armed forces.

If I were a general I wouldn't be able to stomach it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Nov 2019 6.36pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 21 Nov 19 6.37pm
Originally posted by elgrande Can we have an review In to the Roman empire,I'm sure i had ancestors mistreated by them. Yep....and how about some reparations from the Scandinavians for the Vikings! 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

21 Nov 19 6.37pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Can we have an review In to the Roman empire,I'm sure i had ancestors mistreated by them.

Yep....and how about some reparations from the Scandinavians for the Vikings!

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

sickboy Deal or Croydon 21 Nov 19 7.19pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yep....and how about some reparations from the Scandinavians for the Vikings! Ah but it's not black and white stirls. I learned that off a condescending, opinionated womble. I'm now a chastened and changed man.

sickboy

Deal or Croydon 21 Nov 19 7.19pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yep....and how about some reparations from the Scandinavians for the Vikings!

Ah but it's not black and white stirls.
I learned that off a condescending, opinionated womble.
I'm now a chastened and changed man.

Stirlingsays 21 Nov 19 7.31pm
Originally posted by sickboy Ah but it's not black and white stirls. I learned that off a condescending, opinionated womble. I'm now a chastened and changed man. I hope you obtained an appropriate hair shirt. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

21 Nov 19 7.31pm

Originally posted by sickboy

Ah but it's not black and white stirls.
I learned that off a condescending, opinionated womble.
I'm now a chastened and changed man.

I hope you obtained an appropriate hair shirt.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Badger11 Beckenham 22 Nov 19 8.24am
Well here's one good reason not to vote Labour. [Link] Lilly Allen breaks down in tears and sobs it's the best manifesto I have ever seen? Lilly darling just exactly how many manifestos have you seen? One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 22 Nov 19 8.24am

Well here's one good reason not to vote Labour.

[Link]

Lilly Allen breaks down in tears and sobs it's the best manifesto I have ever seen?

Lilly darling just exactly how many manifestos have you seen?

One more point

sickboy Deal or Croydon 22 Nov 19 9.05am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I hope you obtained an appropriate hair shirt. I did. I also said 13 jeremy corbyns and 4 john mcdonnals before going to sleep. In the shed.

sickboy

Deal or Croydon 22 Nov 19 9.05am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I hope you obtained an appropriate hair shirt.

I did. I also said 13 jeremy corbyns and 4 john mcdonnals before going to sleep.
In the shed.

Stirlingsays 22 Nov 19 9.30am
Originally posted by sickboy I did. I also said 13 jeremy corbyns and 4 john mcdonnals before going to sleep. In the shed. Very based. We shall have the socialist revolution comrade before Santa puts the harness onto Rudolph. If only Rudolph could talk. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

22 Nov 19 9.30am

Originally posted by sickboy

I did. I also said 13 jeremy corbyns and 4 john mcdonnals before going to sleep.
In the shed.

Very based.

We shall have the socialist revolution comrade before Santa puts the harness onto Rudolph.

If only Rudolph could talk.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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