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Stirlingsays Flag 07 Feb 18 6.05pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Theresa May refuses to rule out selling off the NHS in post-Brexit trade deal with Trump

Why has Trump been making disparaging remarks about our NHS, what would it have to do with him.

It's on his shopping list that's why.

We have private companies now tendering for contracts. If it's free at the point of delivery what does it matter?

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 07 Feb 18 6.07pm

Originally posted by Stuk

He ain't the opposition leader anymore. He's in (a slightly enforced by the President of Germany) coalition with Merkel and has stated today:

Mr Schulz said the SPD had pushed through many of its own policies to the agreement.

Schulz said: "You'll forgive me for thanking Mrs Merkel and Mr Seehofer, especially regarding the European policy chapter of this deal, because what we wrote down in this coalition agreement about the European Union and its future will be a fundamental change of direction in Europe.

"With this coalition agreement, Germany will take an active and leading role in the European Union again."

EU enthusiasts have lied about the direction of the EU for decades.

Their lies have been exposed and now many of the modern versions don't even bother trying to lie.....now they argue about 'timescales' not 'if'.

All of those who warned about the 'slippery slope' in the seventies and were called fear mongerers by EU supporters have been vindicated.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Feb 2018 6.09pm)

 


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Ouzo Dan Flag Behind you 07 Feb 18 7.18pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


The EU residency rules are not difficult to meet if you wish to move here. That's independent on whether the government applied them.

The numbers who came here and stayed makes that massively plain.....or should do...even to those wishing to obfuscate.

Actually quite relevant to me, I am applying to be a Slovak resident with the end result being me buying & running a ski chalet.
I was actually going to sit down & get the ball rolling on it this weekend.
At first glance it all looks pretty straight forward & I think there is a fee involved.
But I can always come back on here & report if it's a ball ache or not.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 07 Feb 18 7.26pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle


Given I didn't administer the survey I don't know, but at the very least they are commonly well known words that each respondent would be able to define with some meaning that the rest of us would recognise.

I don't think a definition is important, it's more the negative feeling those words invoke and the extremely high correlation with voting leave when those negative feelings are invoked.

It's fairly unequivocal, given the findings, that those with a negative view of equal rights for non-white non-straight males were far more likely to have voted leave.

You are kidding. It's all important. Frankly, what you are suggesting is nonsense.

 

matt_himself Flag Matataland 08 Feb 18 6.53am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Their policy is stated as a "jobs first Brexit". That is defined as aiming for whatever deal results in the best outcome for British workers. That means protecting rights and enhancing them. That means keeping all options open in negotiations and using collaborative democratic process to determine what the British people want (this has been done btw and suggests Labour's attitude is in line with the public - google Brexit Assembly). If it means a Norway model then so be it. if it means staying in the Customs union then so be it. If it's following the teachings of Ayatolah Rees-Mogg then so be it.

The point is that it sets out the main goal of Brexit and then works collaboratively within the UK and with the EU to establish the end point that best achieves that goal, without ruling out options in advance before they have been assessed. They can then look at all the options and assess which would have the most beneficial impact on jobs and living standards for the JAMs.

The Tory policy is far more vague and seems to involve putting the cart before the horse on trade.

‘Jobs First Brexit’ is meaningless spin, designed to try and fool people into thinking that Labour has a Brexit policy (it doesn’t, it is as split on Brexit as the Tories but in a different way) and it’s myth is perpetuated by those whom ish to believe that Labour has a Brexit Policy.

Labour is trying to differentiate itself from the Tories on Brexit but is failing miserably because Jezza is ideologically wedded to Brexit.

Furthermore, you are insinuating that the Tories are hell bent on a ‘scorched earth’ Brexit policy which is far from the truth. If you had access to what is going on at government with regards overseas trade, it touches my world, you would have seen that over the past two years the government has employed some very talented people to promote and position British post Brexit.

Finally, staying in the Customs Union is not Brexit. Labour will rule it out accordingly, partly in recognition of Jezza’s desire for Brexit and partly because any sort of soft Brexit will alienate the working class voters from their overly middle class Labour leadership.

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 08 Feb 18 6.54am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

I'm British. Not sure where you thought I was from.

I guess that's about as close to a criticism of May's handling of the situation we'll get from you. When would you like this dream ticket to come in? 2019? I would rather see something done about it now. I would support getting rid of May now if JRM/Boris was my preferred option to run the country. Surely we need the people with the Brexit vision you favour in charge not simply waiting in the wings?

I doubt it will change the EU's tactics all that much. They probably expect May to be gone any day as it is.

It’s interesting that you are trying to provoke me, by making out I am May supporter.

It’s quite cute, however misguided that tactic may be.

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 18 Feb 18 8.52am

Nonsense from Kinnock - “stop Brexit and save the NHS”:

[Link]

How exactly are these polarised subjects linked, Neil?

 


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elgrande Flag bedford 18 Feb 18 11.54am

Originally posted by matt_himself

Nonsense from Kinnock - “stop Brexit and save the NHS”:

[Link]

How exactly are these polarised subjects linked, Neil?

Think it;s more like "stop Brexit and save the Kinnock gravy train".

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 18 Feb 18 1.41pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Think it;s more like "stop Brexit and save the Kinnock gravy train".

Yep, the same with Blair.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 18 Feb 18 2.37pm

'The truth is that we can either take the increasingly plain risks and costs of leaving the EU or have the stability, growth and revenues vital for crucial public services like the NHS and social care.'

Kinnock quite correct IMO.

 

croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 18 Feb 18 3.05pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

'The truth is that we can either take the increasingly plain risks and costs of leaving the EU or have the stability, growth and revenues vital for crucial public services like the NHS and social care.'

Kinnock quite correct IMO.

Im not sure if kinnock is right or wrong, but i am pretty sure that this con government are leading us on the wba,,,,,,down !

 

Stirlingsays Flag 18 Feb 18 4.53pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

'The truth is that we can either take the increasingly plain risks and costs of leaving the EU or have the stability, growth and revenues vital for crucial public services like the NHS and social care.'

Kinnock quite correct IMO.

I'm starting to think you have shares in the EU.

 


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.TUX. Flag 18 Feb 18 7.14pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

'The truth is that we can either take the increasingly plain risks and costs of leaving the EU or have the stability, growth and revenues vital for crucial public services like the NHS and social care.'

Kinnock quite correct IMO.

Only if you're 10yrs old or younger.

 


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silvertop Flag Portishead 18 Feb 18 7.19pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

‘Jobs First Brexit’ is meaningless spin, designed to try and fool people into thinking that Labour has a Brexit policy (it doesn’t, it is as split on Brexit as the Tories but in a different way) and it’s myth is perpetuated by those whom ish to believe that Labour has a Brexit Policy.

Labour is trying to differentiate itself from the Tories on Brexit but is failing miserably because Jezza is ideologically wedded to Brexit.

Furthermore, you are insinuating that the Tories are hell bent on a ‘scorched earth’ Brexit policy which is far from the truth. If you had access to what is going on at government with regards overseas trade, it touches my world, you would have seen that over the past two years the government has employed some very talented people to promote and position British post Brexit.

Finally, staying in the Customs Union is not Brexit. Labour will rule it out accordingly, partly in recognition of Jezza’s desire for Brexit and partly because any sort of soft Brexit will alienate the working class voters from their overly middle class Labour leadership.

Very good points on Labour all of which I agree with.

Where we diverge is the line "staying in the customs union is not brexit". That is your opinion. It is one shared by a lot of people but not all the people who voted leave.

Brexiteers rightly identify their win in the referendum to support their mandate to leave the EU. However, given the importance of that in a democracy I can give you instances of people who voted leave for wholly different reasons. One friend wholly favoured the trade union but hated the post Maastricht federalisation. Another was in step with I suspect the majority of leavers where the only issue to him was free movement and the greater control of immigration and our borders. Neither voted to leave the customs union and,i suspect,if you had avote today there would be only a tiny support for this especially if free movement was erradicated.

Brexit is something of a moveable feast.

 

elgrande Flag bedford 18 Feb 18 8.08pm

Originally posted by silvertop

Very good points on Labour all of which I agree with.

Where we diverge is the line "staying in the customs union is not brexit". That is your opinion. It is one shared by a lot of people but not all the people who voted leave.

Brexiteers rightly identify their win in the referendum to support their mandate to leave the EU. However, given the importance of that in a democracy I can give you instances of people who voted leave for wholly different reasons. One friend wholly favoured the trade union but hated the post Maastricht federalisation. Another was in step with I suspect the majority of leavers where the only issue to him was free movement and the greater control of immigration and our borders. Neither voted to leave the customs union and,i suspect,if you had avote today there would be only a tiny support for this especially if free movement was erradicated.

Brexit is something of a moveable feast.

I do not think anyone would have voted leave,if it was the same model we believed it was in the 70s...A Common Market.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 18 Feb 18 9.07pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

'The truth is that we can either take the increasingly plain risks and costs of leaving the EU or have the stability, growth and revenues vital for crucial public services like the NHS and social care.'

Kinnock quite correct IMO.


Because the NHS has done so well with us in the EU.

I expect you are already compiling a list of stuff to blame Brexit for before we have even left.

Crime, smaller Mars Bars, erectile dysfunction...

 

cryrst Flag The garden of England 18 Feb 18 11.11pm

So many pages this is more than likely on it already.
I am beginning to think there was no plan for leaving.
Not just the unknown of a brexit but seriously no idea or thought it was going to happen.
I voted remain but now have got my mind set it's happening.
I'm also not hoping the worst, that's not to say I haven't thought ' serves you right brexiters' if it does go tits up.
But on a selfish note I want it to be at least the same if not better.

And "no s*** Sherlock" is what I'm expecting as a reply

 

.TUX. Flag 19 Feb 18 6.18am

Originally posted by cryrst

So many pages this is more than likely on it already.
I am beginning to think there was no plan for leaving.
Not just the unknown of a brexit but seriously no idea or thought it was going to happen.
I voted remain but now have got my mind set it's happening.
I'm also not hoping the worst, that's not to say I haven't thought ' serves you right brexiters' if it does go tits up.
But on a selfish note I want it to be at least the same if not better.

And "no s*** Sherlock" is what I'm expecting as a reply

The only ''plan'' was to divide and rule........and it's working beautifully.

 


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silvertop Flag Portishead 19 Feb 18 10.13am

Originally posted by .TUX.

The only ''plan'' was to divide and rule........and it's working beautifully.

Ha! Very cynical. However, you might argue that apathy and political indifference worked perfectly well without needing to divide the country.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 05 Mar 18 11.57am

UK get knotted !!!!

Sometimes brevity explains the situation better.

 

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