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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
More money for the ever expanding NHS? Yeah, I'd increase it. Does this never ending increase make long term sense? Not really. We need to spend more of our GDP on our military. In real terms we spend a bit under two percent on actual military stuff like weapons and wages....compared to Russia's over five percent.....And Russia is an economy with smaller GDP than us. Like actual guns and tanks?
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Originally posted by DanH
Like actual guns and tanks? The best composition is for military chiefs to know.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
More money for the ever expanding NHS? Yeah, I'd increase it. Does this never ending increase make long term sense? Not really. We need to spend more of our GDP on our military. In real terms we spend a bit under two percent on actual military stuff like weapons and wages....compared to Russia's over five percent.....And Russia is an economy with smaller GDP than us. I forgot about the military, I agree it was just an example of the types of things the Tories could do. As for the NHS I do think it needs more money and would love to stick it to the remainers about the £300mm per week promise. By the way whether you agree or disagree with that figure the government never made that promise the government was pro remain. Some of the Brexiters made that comment but many disagreed.Still it would be nice if it happened.
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Originally posted by Badger11
I forgot about the military, I agree it was just an example of the types of things the Tories could do. As for the NHS I do think it needs more money and would love to stick it to the remainers about the £300mm per week promise. By the way whether you agree or disagree with that figure the government never made that promise the government was pro remain. Some of the Brexiters made that comment but many disagreed.Still it would be nice if it happened. No matter what is put into the NHS it will never be enough. It's a sink hole for finance. The next year the same people would soon be arguing that you are evil because you're not putting more in. I do think it needs more money.....as politicians have allowed the population to rise at massive rates without proportionate infrastructure spending. However, long term.....the NHS either has to be reduced in capacity for what it's expected to do.....or it becomes a high tax issue or we have more private insurance. I'm of the view that the NHS should be reduced in capacity as its costs are spiraling. It is a wonderful resource and something we should be proud of, however, like anything free, it is abused and overused.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Brexit will decrease money available to the government Even if you accept the £350 million claim in full, it would still not amount to a dividend once you take into account what Britain is set to lose from Brexit. As the government's own independent spending watchdog the Office for Budget Responsibility has made clear, the economic hit from leaving the EU, the single market and the customs union, will lead to the government having less money to spend overall, rather than more. In fact, in November 2016 they estimated that May's government would need to borrow an additional £15bn every year by the end of the decade, purely because of the economic impact of Brexit. This easily exceeds even the most optimistic claims about the size of any "dividend" we will receive from leaving the EU. You will get a flag and you can cheer on exit day, that's about all.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Brexit will decrease money available to the government Even if you accept the £350 million claim in full, it would still not amount to a dividend once you take into account what Britain is set to lose from Brexit. As the government's own independent spending watchdog the Office for Budget Responsibility has made clear, the economic hit from leaving the EU, the single market and the customs union, will lead to the government having less money to spend overall, rather than more. In fact, in November 2016 they estimated that May's government would need to borrow an additional £15bn every year by the end of the decade, purely because of the economic impact of Brexit. This easily exceeds even the most optimistic claims about the size of any "dividend" we will receive from leaving the EU. You will get a flag and you can cheer on exit day, that's about all.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
There they go again p*****g in the wind spending money they just haven't got. The tories do have to act on the NHS because of political reality. Really that means more borrowing and leave it to future generations to pay. It works, the public memory is only long enough to absorb the next optimistic headline. They will trot out some rubbish about borrowing against the EU membership fees no longer being paid. Voting Lib Dem then?
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Industry planning jobs cull to offset Brexit. More than 20% of manufacturers plan cuts while more than 58% plan price increases to offset costs of leaving EU.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Industry planning jobs cull to offset Brexit. More than 20% of manufacturers plan cuts while more than 58% plan price increases to offset costs of leaving EU. Phew, it could've been 100%.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Industry planning jobs cull to offset Brexit. More than 20% of manufacturers plan cuts while more than 58% plan price increases to offset costs of leaving EU.
I'm prepared for that as the price worth paying to having independence from EU control on laws and most importantly immigration. Lets just say that again....because this fact seems to have an issue in getting through to you as you continue to echo the failed remain campaign's economic line. Few people voted for Brexit for economic reasons. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Apr 2018 10.25am)
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Phew, it could've been 100%. Yes, thank goodness for all the Labour supporters who voted for Brexit,or we could be really stuffed.
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Originally posted by chris123
Yes, thank goodness for all the Labour supporters who voted for Brexit,or we could be really stuffed. We've been ''stuffed'' for a long while, Brexit is merely the scapegoat.
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Originally posted by chris123
Voting Lib Dem then? I would put a each penny on income tax for the NHS and Defence. SS is correct that we have reached a technological point similar to the Dreadnought race where the whole services will require overhaul. Edited by pefwin (01 Apr 2018 3.09pm)
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
The campaigning in Italy was interesting as EU/Eurozone membership wasn't really a big deal. A lot of it was along the lines of race, and 5 Star and the League both backed down from promises made a while ago to hold referenda on such matters. There is an interesting episode of Talking Politics on it from a week ago. [Link] Are you serious? Did you watch the documentary? So the long-festering structural problems with Italy (whom would habitually and periodically devalue the Lira since the war) is "out of date", because it is a year old? Yeah, yeah, same old "racists" voting the wrong way, eh? Do you lot ever change your tune?
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'm prepared for that as the price worth paying to having independence from EU control on laws and most importantly immigration. Lets just say that again....because this fact seems to have an issue in getting through to you as you continue to echo the failed remain campaign's economic line. Few people voted for Brexit for economic reasons. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Apr 2018 10.25am) Many people voted for issues that will only worsen in a weakening economy, though. This is what happens when neoliberalism rules the roost. Money is everything, especially when you’ve got Tories in power. All those who voted to significantly control immigration, when all of the evidence suggests it brings a net contribution financially to the country are living in a fantasy land to think that whoever’s in charge of the country will significantly reduce the intake of immigrants, in or out. British government, especially the Tories, will abandon all principles, amicable or not, for the sake of the economy. The point I make over and over again to leavers is issues such as mass immigration are the fault of British Parliament, not the EU or EU migrants themselves. It’s exploitation for financial gain, simple as. And from an economic point of view, it’s worked. It’s no good blaming waiting times in the NHS on foreigners but then putting yourself in a position where you can barely afford to sufficiently fund it. Let alone find enough people to sufficiently run it. In a neoliberal & capitalist world, which I know you’re a fan of, the state of the Economy will always come first.
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