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hedgehog50  Croydon 08 Mar 17 8.21am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
I must have imagined the last 65 years of peace in Western Europe, our stronger economy since joining, and our cleaner sea and rivers then? None of which have absolutely anything to do with being in the EU.
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| .TUX. 08 Mar 17 9.12am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
I must have imagined the last 65 years of peace in Western Europe, our stronger economy since joining, and our cleaner sea and rivers then? Ok.
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 Part Time James 08 Mar 17 9.14am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
So what if we have to pay £60billion on exit and so what if we are leaving the biggest economic trade block in the world and who cares if it takes a decade to get trade deals with countries like Canada sorted? And it was fine that UKIP and Boris and Michael and others used ideology and waffle to persuade the impressionable. Politics is fun again. Just a protest vote that has got way out of hand really. A protest against what? The well balanced Utopia we were all nonchalantly bathing in?
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tome  Inner Tantalus Time. 08 Mar 17 9.23am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Not really. More a way out of the easily corruptible United States of Europe before it inevitably happens. Well, that's no short-term likelihood. And I've yet to see a convincing argument that it's either likely or, should it happen, negative. What are you worried about here?
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| matt_himself Matataland 08 Mar 17 9.25am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
So what if we have to pay £60billion on exit and so what if we are leaving the biggest economic trade block in the world and who cares if it takes a decade to get trade deals with countries like Canada sorted? And it was fine that UKIP and Boris and Michael and others used ideology and waffle to persuade the impressionable. Politics is fun again. Just a protest vote that has got way out of hand really. It's odd that you take his view on Brexit yet support Scottish Independence (well, probably like 'Indyref2' posts on Facebook). One cannot help but think that your thinking is not consistent.
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| tome Inner Tantalus Time. 08 Mar 17 9.25am |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
None of which have absolutely anything to do with being in the EU. So you think that the difference between Europe in the first half of the last century and the second is a complete coincidence? Frankly, the fact that there has been largely peace because of the EU is one of the main reasons that I thought we'd be better off in.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 08 Mar 17 9.46am |
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Originally posted by tome
So you think that the difference between Europe in the first half of the last century and the second is a complete coincidence? Frankly, the fact that there has been largely peace because of the EU is one of the main reasons that I thought we'd be better off in. Two questions... So UK leaving the EU will end peace in Europe? Having open borders with unvetted immigration from countries like Syria into the EU will make Europe safer?
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 08 Mar 17 10.00am |
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Originally posted by tome
So you think that the difference between Europe in the first half of the last century and the second is a complete coincidence? Frankly, the fact that there has been largely peace because of the EU is one of the main reasons that I thought we'd be better off in. Not coincidence at all. Due to NATO and the nuclear deterrent and particularly the USA guaranteeing to fight for us if the USSR invaded. All of which the left has sought to weaken since World War II. EU has had nothing to do with the relative peace in Europe - mind you they did nothing at all about the Balkan wars did they.
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| matt_himself Matataland 08 Mar 17 10.29am |
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Originally posted by tome
So you think that the difference between Europe in the first half of the last century and the second is a complete coincidence? Frankly, the fact that there has been largely peace because of the EU is one of the main reasons that I thought we'd be better off in. Given that the EU was founded in 1993, it is somewhat fanciful to claim that it was responsible for peace in the 'second half of the 20th century'. believe that NATO has been largely responsible for peace in Europe since 1945.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 08 Mar 17 10.50am |
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The point is that countries in the EU will not go to war against each other as they live in peace and security. Two World Wars were started by Western Europe countries mobilising against each other. The Balkan countries are not members of the EU. The EU has been very successful in this respect as war between EU members is quite unthinkable.
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| Part Time James 08 Mar 17 10.55am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The point is that countries in the EU will not go to war against each other as they live in peace and security. Two World Wars were started by Western Europe countries mobilising against each other. The Balkan countries are not members of the EU. The EU has been very successful in this respect as war between EU members is quite unthinkable.
We ought to have started a war with America, but I bet bloody Brexit will put pay to that now.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Mar 17 11.01am |
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Just minor delays. Slow progress will resume soon.
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