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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 10 Nov 17 5.53pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Are you talking about EU laws being incorporated into UK law until we decide which to keep? Yes. And a committee will be making the decision as - the Tories say and there is some truth - it would take too long to put each law individually to parliament. But the committee has been heavily Tory loaded. Details about delegated powers here... [Link] Next reading of the bill is on 15th November Why isn't this in the EU thread? Edited by nickgusset (10 Nov 2017 5.54pm)
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Shizzlehurst 10 Nov 17 5.53pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Are you talking about EU laws being incorporated into UK law until we decide which to keep?

Yes. And a committee will be making the decision as - the Tories say and there is some truth - it would take too long to put each law individually to parliament.

But the committee has been heavily Tory loaded. Details about delegated powers here...
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Next reading of the bill is on 15th November

Why isn't this in the EU thread?

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hedgehog50 Croydon 10 Nov 17 6.11pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Yes. And a committee will be making the decision as - the Tories say and there is some truth - it would take too long to put each law individually to parliament. But the committee has been heavily Tory loaded. Details about delegated powers here... [Link] Next reading of the bill is on 15th November Why isn't this in the EU thread? Edited by nickgusset (10 Nov 2017 5.54pm) It is just a means of speeding things up. We then dump the laws we don't like at our leisure. But why are you moaning about EU law being incorporated into UK law in the first place? I thought you believed the EU can do no wrong and all their laws are wonderful and essential to building the socialist utopia? We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 10 Nov 17 6.11pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Yes. And a committee will be making the decision as - the Tories say and there is some truth - it would take too long to put each law individually to parliament.

But the committee has been heavily Tory loaded. Details about delegated powers here...
[Link]
Next reading of the bill is on 15th November

Why isn't this in the EU thread?

Edited by nickgusset (10 Nov 2017 5.54pm)

It is just a means of speeding things up. We then dump the laws we don't like at our leisure. But why are you moaning about EU law being incorporated into UK law in the first place? I thought you believed the EU can do no wrong and all their laws are wonderful and essential to building the socialist utopia?

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 10 Nov 17 8.34pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 It is just a means of speeding things up. We then dump the laws we don't like at our leisure. But why are you moaning about EU law being incorporated into UK law in the first place? I thought you believed the EU can do no wrong and all their laws are wonderful and essential to building the socialist utopia? Oh dear. That response is soooo October. Edited by nickgusset (10 Nov 2017 8.37pm)
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Shizzlehurst 10 Nov 17 8.34pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

It is just a means of speeding things up. We then dump the laws we don't like at our leisure. But why are you moaning about EU law being incorporated into UK law in the first place? I thought you believed the EU can do no wrong and all their laws are wonderful and essential to building the socialist utopia?

Oh dear. That response is soooo October.

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hedgehog50 Croydon 10 Nov 17 9.44pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Oh dear. That response is soooo October. Edited by nickgusset (10 Nov 2017 8.37pm) There is a serious point to it. The Remainers want it both ways. They say we need the EU and its laws to avoid reverting to the Stone Age, yet they try to make political capital out of the UK adopting those same laws (albeit on a temporary basis). We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 10 Nov 17 9.44pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Oh dear. That response is soooo October.

Edited by nickgusset (10 Nov 2017 8.37pm)

There is a serious point to it. The Remainers want it both ways. They say we need the EU and its laws to avoid reverting to the Stone Age, yet they try to make political capital out of the UK adopting those same laws (albeit on a temporary basis).

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 10 Nov 17 10.08pm
Didn't Holly come from Miami,FLA?
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Shizzlehurst 10 Nov 17 10.08pm

Didn't Holly come from Miami,FLA?

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 10 Nov 17 10.09pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 There is a serious point to it. The Remainers want it both ways. They say we need the EU and its laws to avoid reverting to the Stone Age, yet they try to make political capital out of the UK adopting those same laws (albeit on a temporary basis). I haven't met anyone who said the EU could do no wrong. Corbyn gave it a 7 out of 10. It needs sorting out.
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Shizzlehurst 10 Nov 17 10.09pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

I haven't met anyone who said the EU could do no wrong. Corbyn gave it a 7 out of 10.
It needs sorting out.

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danny choo choo Hayes 12 Nov 17 2.23am
Originally posted by legaleagle No Brexit far more threatening to our mid and longer term welfare at this moment.. Islam a problem? No. Salafist jihadism a problem? Yes. Growth of populist and nationalist right wing ideology in Europe a problem? Yes.Why? See last time. You contradict yourself saying islam not a problem and then say salafism is? Salafism or Wahabbism or what ever you want to call it is part of islam surely? Its the extremer harder side granted and its the biggest cause of terroism in the western world and thats the problem with islam and the koran it needs reforming and people have got to speak up and say this but the majority of muslims wont and neither will the spineless appologist MPs who are afraid too wether it be fear og losing a lot of votes or are just apologists. And to say the nationalist right wing is a problem across europe is ridiculous,its no coincidence there's an uprising of likeminded people because we've all had enough of our countries losing there identies and being forced into accepting an ideology that is so alien to our values and way of life that is growing at such a rate that in the not to distant future we will become a minority and as for brexit? that will pale into significance. Its a shame they cant be like the Ahmadiyya muslims. [Link] Edited by danny choo choo (12 Nov 2017 2.25am)
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Originally posted by legaleagle

Brexit far more threatening to our mid and longer term welfare at this moment..

Islam a problem? No. Salafist jihadism a problem? Yes.

Growth of populist and nationalist right wing ideology in Europe a problem? Yes.Why? See last time.

You contradict yourself saying islam not a problem and then say salafism is?
Salafism or Wahabbism or what ever you want to call it is part of islam surely?
Its the extremer harder side granted and its the biggest cause of terroism in the western world and thats the problem with islam and the koran it needs reforming and people have got to speak up and say this but the majority of muslims wont and neither will the spineless appologist MPs who are afraid too wether it be fear og losing a lot of votes or are just apologists.
And to say the nationalist right wing is a problem across europe is ridiculous,its no coincidence there's an uprising of likeminded people because we've all had enough of our countries losing there identies and being forced into accepting an ideology that is so alien to our values and way of life that is growing at such a rate that in the not to distant future we will become a minority and as for brexit? that will pale into significance.

Its a shame they cant be like the Ahmadiyya muslims.
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danny choo choo Hayes 12 Nov 17 2.34am
This is the latest from the deluded Diane Abbott "we cant tackle islamic extremism untill we sort out all the right wing extremism first" what f***ing planet is she and her cronies on ffs! Seriously how can you Labour supporters champion her and want her to be the home secertary? [Link]
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Hayes 12 Nov 17 2.34am

This is the latest from the deluded Diane Abbott "we cant tackle islamic extremism untill we sort out all the right wing extremism first" what f***ing planet is she and her cronies on ffs! Seriously how can you Labour supporters champion her and want her to be the home secertary?

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Nov 17 10.40am
Originally posted by danny choo choo This is the latest from the deluded Diane Abbott "we cant tackle islamic extremism untill we sort out all the right wing extremism first" what f***ing planet is she and her cronies on ffs! Seriously how can you Labour supporters champion her and want her to be the home secertary? [Link] It's not the latest. That article is back in June. You don't think far right extremists perpetuate the problem in any way?
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Shizzlehurst 12 Nov 17 10.40am

Originally posted by danny choo choo

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It's not the latest. That article is back in June.

You don't think far right extremists perpetuate the problem in any way?

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legaleagle 12 Nov 17 10.58am
Originally posted by danny choo choo You contradict yourself saying islam not a problem and then say salafism is? And to say the nationalist right wing is a problem across europe is ridiculous Edited by danny choo choo (12 Nov 2017 2.25am) I don't contradict myself at all. Let's look at a few examples from history to see that the difference I drew is valid: 1. Ireland.The Provos were a problem. Cathlolic Irish people generally wren't 2.The UDA were a problem.N Ireland protestants as an entity weren't. 3.Kenya; Mau Mau were a problem.Black Kenyans as a group weren't 4. Taliban in Afghanistan are a problem,Afghanis as a group aren't 5.Et al I see you regard concerns about right wing extremism (been to Hungary or Poland lately?)in Europe as "ridiculous". You are,of course entitled to your opinion Mr Choo Choo,but it does rather give context to claims that the FLA are opposed to all extremism
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12 Nov 17 10.58am

Originally posted by danny choo choo

You contradict yourself saying islam not a problem and then say salafism is?

And to say the nationalist right wing is a problem across europe is ridiculous
Edited by danny choo choo (12 Nov 2017 2.25am)

I don't contradict myself at all.

Let's look at a few examples from history to see that the difference I drew is valid:

1. Ireland.The Provos were a problem. Cathlolic Irish people generally wren't

2.The UDA were a problem.N Ireland protestants as an entity weren't.

3.Kenya; Mau Mau were a problem.Black Kenyans as a group weren't

4. Taliban in Afghanistan are a problem,Afghanis as a group aren't

5.Et al

I see you regard concerns about right wing extremism (been to Hungary or Poland lately?)in Europe as "ridiculous".

You are,of course entitled to your opinion Mr Choo Choo,but it does rather give context to claims that the FLA are opposed to all extremism

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Stirlingsays 12 Nov 17 11.19am
Originally posted by legaleagle I don't contradict myself at all. Let's look at a few examples from history to see that the difference I drew is valid: 1. Ireland.The Provos were a problem. Cathlolic Irish people generally wren't 2.The UDA were a problem.N Ireland protestants as an entity weren't. 3.Kenya; Mau Mau were a problem.Black Kenyans as a group weren't 4. Taliban in Afghanistan are a problem,Afghanis as a group aren't 5.Et al I see you regard concerns about right wing extremism (been to Hungary or Poland lately?)in Europe as "ridiculous". You are,of course entitled to your opinion Mr Choo Choo,but it does rather give context to claims that the FLA are opposed to all extremism You can't have Salafism without Islam. It is a parent/child relationship. There is no such thing as 'this is a problem, this isn't a problem'. One couldn't have existed without the other. They are intrinsically linked. Islam is a concept and set of ideas. It can be lived peaceably and not peaceably. Most Muslims aren't violent but a majority of Muslims have problematical socially conservative views that conflict with western values. The Shia can export extremism too as seen with Iran. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Nov 2017 11.24am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Nov 17 11.19am

Originally posted by legaleagle

I don't contradict myself at all.

Let's look at a few examples from history to see that the difference I drew is valid:

1. Ireland.The Provos were a problem. Cathlolic Irish people generally wren't

2.The UDA were a problem.N Ireland protestants as an entity weren't.

3.Kenya; Mau Mau were a problem.Black Kenyans as a group weren't

4. Taliban in Afghanistan are a problem,Afghanis as a group aren't

5.Et al

I see you regard concerns about right wing extremism (been to Hungary or Poland lately?)in Europe as "ridiculous".

You are,of course entitled to your opinion Mr Choo Choo,but it does rather give context to claims that the FLA are opposed to all extremism

You can't have Salafism without Islam. It is a parent/child relationship.

There is no such thing as 'this is a problem, this isn't a problem'. One couldn't have existed without the other. They are intrinsically linked.

Islam is a concept and set of ideas. It can be lived peaceably and not peaceably. Most Muslims aren't violent but a majority of Muslims have problematical socially conservative views that conflict with western values.

The Shia can export extremism too as seen with Iran.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Nov 2017 11.24am)

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legaleagle 12 Nov 17 12.18pm
As do many religions... Ever been to the deep south in the USA? Ever been to Bosnia? Ever been to Poland or Hungary? All areas with a minority of extremists (sometimes violent) emanating from a conservative christian culture You couldn't have had Bosnia in the 1990's without Christian extremism,not could you have Myanmar 2017 without Buddhist extremism.Nor the Spanish Inquisition without Christianity. The point being that the underlying religion was not the same as the extreme ideological manifestations. Salafist jihadism IMHO has much in common with insurgencies and counter insurgency strategies in the 20th century....and many of those were not rooted in religion. Do you know many Muslims personally,Stirling?
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12 Nov 17 12.18pm

As do many religions...

Ever been to the deep south in the USA?

Ever been to Bosnia?

Ever been to Poland or Hungary?

All areas with a minority of extremists (sometimes violent) emanating from a conservative christian culture

You couldn't have had Bosnia in the 1990's without Christian extremism,not could you have Myanmar 2017 without Buddhist extremism.Nor the Spanish Inquisition without Christianity.

The point being that the underlying religion was not the same as the extreme ideological manifestations.

Salafist jihadism IMHO has much in common with insurgencies and counter insurgency strategies in the 20th century....and many of those were not rooted in religion.

Do you know many Muslims personally,Stirling?

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