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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 31 Jul 18 11.38am

Originally posted by silvertop

Hmm. What he says is all fact save the opinion that the anti-EU lobby blame many problems that are of our own making on the EU.

He has failed to give specific examples of this. You have failed to give any examples where there is a clear line between EU act and our misfortune.

Sad, as I am sure there are numerous instances of both and this pointless discussion could rumble on for a few hundred pages.

The largest specific problem the EU created was unfettered, illegal immigration. There was no adequate attention given to external EU borders. Countries like Greece and Italy were just left to foot the bill of EU decisions by themselves. Hardly a supportive EU. Illegal immigrants will cost billions to deal with - if they are ever dealt with at all. When you consider it - no immigrants came straight to the UK - unless they could afford a direct flight. They came through other EU countries that failed to deal with them adequately.
One of the main issues with the EU is the lack of flexibility. So, whereas as government may want to invest in industry, or even protect an industry vital to an area, EU law will not allow it. So Corbyn would not be able to recreate BR for example. There has to be privitisation and competition. In the UK this was largely policy anyway but British Aerospace and other companies have faced issues with EU investigations into government investment. Funny how it was fine when Renault and Citroen were subsidised - like much of French industry. Another EU problem, one rule for Germany and France - another for everyone else. Put up with it or face a fine. As I have already stated, with EU proposals to tax The City of London 22c for every transaction, what choice does the UK really have?
The EU have also have quantitive easing - printing money for no reason, on no basis. They contributed hugely to the first financial crisis and will be a huge factor in the next one. Whereas, I agreed with the EU initially, especially with its 'equality for all Europeans' rhetoric, it was not long before it became an incredibly Draconian institution that was solely interested on imposing financial and economic restraints on its members - it's weaker members such as Greece, Italy, Spain and Portugal in particular. Frankly, the people of Spain and Greece at the very least deserve an EU referendum, but of course they cannot have it as they could vote the 'wrong' way.

Edited by ASCPFC (31 Jul 2018 11.40am)

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 31 Jul 18 11.40am

Cheap EU labour migration contributes to the damage of young British workers’ job and home owning opportunities, training and pay. That is a fact and I’m not happy about witnessing it.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 31 Jul 18 12.45pm

Originally posted by europalace


I gave a perfect example earlier in this discussion where the UK can impose the 3 month rule on EU citizens who can be deported from the UK and are not self supporting within that time. The UK decided not to use that option. Many still blame the EU for freedom of movement when there is a law in place for every EU nation to stop those who don't contribute to the economy.

That's entirely correct it was Mrs May as Home Secretary who decided not to use that option.

The EU is more democratic in practice than us as it reacts to pressure from its members.

Consequently we are seeing these changes to freedom of movement, and especially immigration where countries are determining their own quotas and have been reducing already.

How ironic that the UK will probably be the only country left with ever increased immigration.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 31 Jul 18 1.43pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

That's entirely correct it was Mrs May as Home Secretary who decided not to use that option.

The EU is more democratic in practice than us as it reacts to pressure from its members.

Consequently we are seeing these changes to freedom of movement, and especially immigration where countries are determining their own quotas and have been reducing already.

How ironic that the UK will probably be the only country left with ever increased immigration.

 


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big_palace_fan Flag 31 Jul 18 2.41pm

For those who would vote Brexit “for their kids”, please remember 73% of 18-24 year olds voted remain.

 

.TUX. Flag 31 Jul 18 6.02pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Cheap EU labour migration contributes to the damage of young British workers’ job and home owning opportunities, training and pay. That is a fact and I’m not happy about witnessing it.

Although not solely, i agree.

Edited by .TUX. (31 Jul 2018 6.03pm)

 


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.TUX. Flag 31 Jul 18 6.06pm

Originally posted by big_palace_fan

For those who would vote Brexit “for their kids”, please remember 73% of 18-24 year olds voted remain.

When you consider the points made by 'Rudi', they're obviously stupid.

 


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europalace Flag Europe 31 Jul 18 7.17pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Cheap EU labour migration contributes to the damage of young British workers’ job and home owning opportunities, training and pay. That is a fact and I’m not happy about witnessing it.


How's that the case? EU citizens living and working in the UK have the same cost of living as 'local' British citizens. The fact that they might not demand big flat screen TV's, new cars, the lateset smartphone and other luxuries when they are 20 years old might be a clue.


Edited by europalace (31 Jul 2018 7.19pm)

 

Daz.CPFC Flag Bromley 31 Jul 18 7.21pm

Originally posted by big_palace_fan

For those who would vote Brexit “for their kids”, please remember 73% of 18-24 year olds voted remain.

Haha. Yeah...the same “kids” that have one through the brainwashing of University system.

 


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elgrande Flag bedford 31 Jul 18 7.25pm

Originally posted by europalace


How's that the case? EU citizens living and working in the UK have the same cost of living as 'local' British citizens. The fact that they might not demand big flat screen TV's, new cars and other luxuries when they are 20 years old might be a clue.


Edited by europalace (31 Jul 2018 7.18pm)

Really,because I drive a lorry and deliver to a lot of supermarket depots.
And they are all nearly 80% eastern European.
Nothing wrong with that,I talk and have a good laugh with them.
BUT.and here's the big thing I ask them how they manage to pay rent and live on their wages.
The majority of them live in shared house's 6/8/10 in the house sharing bills.
Nothing wrong with that good luck to them.
But the point being a married couple with say 1child can't afford to on the wages they pay.
But as long as the "big corporations" keep paying s*** wages it will continue, because they know they have an endless supply of cheap labour.

 


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europalace Flag Europe 31 Jul 18 7.26pm

Originally posted by Daz.CPFC

Haha. Yeah...the same “kids” that have one through the brainwashing of University system.


or maybe they've received a better education? That's the whole point of further education.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 31 Jul 18 7.29pm

There are no fools like old leave fools.

Desperate clutching at straws.

Perhaps they will tell us how not having anyone to pick fruit and vegetables for us, can impact on youngsters job and home prospects.

The youngsters clearly do not.

Serve the old codgers right if they starve.


 

europalace Flag Europe 31 Jul 18 7.30pm

Originally posted by elgrande

Really,because I drive a lorry and deliver to a lot of supermarket depots.
And they are all nearly 80% eastern European.
Nothing wrong with that,I talk and have a good laugh with them.
BUT.and here's the big thing I ask them how they manage to pay rent and live on their wages.
The majority of them live in shared house's 6/8/10 in the house sharing bills.
Nothing wrong with that good luck to them.
But the point being a married couple with say 1child can't afford to on the wages they pay.
But as long as the "big corporations" keep paying s*** wages it will continue, because they know they have an endless supply of cheap labour.

Many EU citizens who live in the UK also have young families and they manage just fine. What's the problem for the equivalent British? I think it's that they expect too much too soon rather than plan long term. I've lived and worked in several other EU countries and what I've experienced is that young people don't have the same material demands as their peers in the UK. For example, there's no big demand to buy property, people generally rent until their 30's or 40s and have a nice life doing so. They don't expect to have fancy car, just something basic as a means of transport. Plenty of other similar differences in expectations which makes them much happier as they get less disappointed.

Edited by europalace (31 Jul 2018 7.30pm)

 

.TUX. Flag 31 Jul 18 7.47pm

Originally posted by europalace


How's that the case? EU citizens living and working in the UK have the same cost of living as 'local' British citizens. The fact that they might not demand big flat screen TV's, new cars, the lateset smartphone and other luxuries when they are 20 years old might be a clue.


Edited by europalace (31 Jul 2018 7.19pm)

As we know, a huge portion don't. A portion that affects the lives of many who were are already here.
Many live seven to a bed in a 2 bed flat (a joke, but i hope you get the gist) and in all honesty i don't blame them. If that's what they have to do to improve their prospects along with their families (maybe) then go for it. It's just a shame that they can't do the same in their own country of (European) birth...........particularly after many many years of being in the 'bloc'.

Funny that?



 


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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 31 Jul 18 7.50pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

There are no fools like old leave fools.

Desperate clutching at straws.

Perhaps they will tell us how not having anyone to pick fruit and vegetables for us, can impact on youngsters job and home prospects.

The youngsters clearly do not.

Serve the old codgers right if they starve.


Yeah, the fruit rotted on the trees and the vegetables lay decomposing in the fields before we joined the EU.

To be honest, I don't know how we as a country survived, let alone prospered, before Europe.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 31 Jul 18 8.01pm

Would any of the leave elderly brexit experts care to tell us how the army will stockpile fresh fruit and vegetables?

Do they realise that fresh fruit and veg are essential to our diet, not when frozen thank you.

Although leave yearn for Dad's Army and digging for victory against the EU we are not actually going to war (sorry about that leave).

Did anybody think from leave that fresh food supplies could be a threat, or was it another thing that they just never even considered at all, just their selfishness.

Like the whole brexit fiasco.

 

Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 31 Jul 18 8.41pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Would any of the leave elderly brexit experts care to tell us how the army will stockpile fresh fruit and vegetables?

Do they realise that fresh fruit and veg are essential to our diet, not when frozen thank you.

Although leave yearn for Dad's Army and digging for victory against the EU we are not actually going to war (sorry about that leave).

Did anybody think from leave that fresh food supplies could be a threat, or was it another thing that they just never even considered at all, just their selfishness.

Like the whole brexit fiasco.

One of the very best things about Brexit is how it so utterly pisses off people like you.

 


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.TUX. Flag 31 Jul 18 9.22pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Would any of the leave elderly brexit experts care to tell us how the army will stockpile fresh fruit and vegetables?

Do they realise that fresh fruit and veg are essential to our diet, not when frozen thank you.

Although leave yearn for Dad's Army and digging for victory against the EU we are not actually going to war (sorry about that leave).

Did anybody think from leave that fresh food supplies could be a threat, or was it another thing that they just never even considered at all, just their selfishness.

Like the whole brexit fiasco.

You're too bright to keep falling for this (propaganda) crap.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 31 Jul 18 10.19pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

One of the very best things about Brexit is how it so utterly pisses off people like you.


Seconded.

It was also the best thing about Trump winning.....I mean I'm not a republican but god.....when you see who were most annoyed about Trump winning....You just knew that Trump was a necessary brake on madness.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 31 Jul 18 10.29pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

You're too bright to keep falling for this (propaganda) crap.

Propaganda it is not.


 

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