What a ridiculous post and a desperate brexiteer.

Non-existent planning is brexit all over.

No deal or deal makes no difference.

Problem from a UK POV is that our negotiating team have been, since the beginning it appears, comprised primarily of people who think we made a mistake in wanting to leave and who have seen their task as being to minimise the 'damage' as opposed to maximising the upsides.

Essentially they saw their role as one in which the EU was to be treated as the wounded party and that they needed to tread lightly around them, as opposed to actually treating them as the hostile organisation, at least in terms of the EU commission.

Which is where I become truly perplexed and angry. From the Commissions POV then it is patently obvious that they cannot seek any sort of deal which leads to the UK becoming better off by leaving, hence their intransigence or, and I think that Remainers make a good point on this, actually doing their job which is to protect the wider EU project.

Meaning that by default, they need to essentially look to impose the worst deal they can.

Now a no deal will invariably mean some short-term problems for the UK. The scale of them is open to debate but given how fickle our political class is, then it terrifies them that they might have to say to people that this is a going to be a case of grinning and bearing it, for at least 6-9 months because there is no deal worth having, at least now, on the table. Its impossible.

But mid to long term, as the UK reacts to its new status and the benefits of free trade deals and the like start to filter through, whilst sales of BMW's and the like along with EU food exports suffer, the Commission will fine itself under increasing pressure from its member states to actually offer the UK a reasonable agreement.

On June 24th, 2016, HMG should have been ordering the concrete for the new customs posts. No deal should have been the default position because it was the only logical reading of the political situation.

Instead, it has been farcical.

But there is still time. And I genuinely believe that if a politician is honest, and explains that there might be some temporary issues, then there is a job soon to be vacant that might suit them.

Now I hope beyond hope that it is neither Johnson nor Corbyn (although I believe the later is as anti-EU as I am, just not convinced he can truly deliver a clean break due to his wider party considerations) but the country is crying out for real leadership.

Because we are leaving and there is no deal to be had. People need to come to terms with that.

Edited by Matov (21 Aug 2018 3.01pm)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

As opposed to what? A nation with low levels of unemployment, with in excess of 9 years of economic growth and with full control of its own currency?

British people do not move to Europe to work. They move to the US or Australia for their careers. Most UK citizens in the EU live in either Spain, France, Ireland or Germany. Outside of Germany, none of those places are exactly thriving or desperate for people to come and work there.

And we already have far more people from those 4 countries, along with the rest of the EU, coming here to work and pay taxes rather than visa versa.

The idea of the EU being this thriving economic hot spot are beyond fantastical. In terms of jobs then the EU needs us far more than we need it.

Edited by Matov (21 Aug 2018 5.50pm)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

'Short term problems,' '6-9 months', oh dear. Even the hard Brexiteer muppet Rees-Mogg has been forced to concede it might take 50 years before we see any positive effects from leaving the EU.

Pretty much every economist and even the governments own projections indicate 'no deal' will be disastrous. Not Project Fear. Project Fact.

If the 'No Deal' crowd had had their way we'd have stormed out of negotiations day 1, and screw the consequences.

Still, Rees-Mogg stands to make millions personally from no deal, so I suppose that's okay.

In my view, would represent a good move for England

Vive le Roy!

I'd prefer we used BST year round too, but it's not a solution that suits all countries across Europe and quite frankly it doesn't matter. If you're too thick to work out what time it is in another country you have phone or computer to inform you, which you'll already be using if needing to do work across the continent.

Optimistic as ever

This came up for me on NewsNow, see attached. More EU interfering and restricting internet use!

Essentially it's a 'link tax' and this bureaucracy will hit small media outlets while large corporations such as Google and Facebook will be able to afford it. As is the case with lots of EU regulation.

More on this Copyright Directive [Link]

Edited by Penge Eagle (05 Sep 2018 10.54pm)

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I beleive it was done to help out farmers who then had more daylight to harvest in the autumn.

The Tories are no longer the 'law and order' party.

They are now exclusively the, 'vote us and keep your stuff' party whilst virtue signalling about being a feminist and rainbow warrior and attacking free speech......increase the population size and worsen public services whilst lying about wanting to keep it down because cheaper workers increases GDP for the short term statistics.....despite worsening the overall problem down the line....and sticking two fingers up to working class UK Tories.

Awful, just plain awful.....I'd honestly rather have Corbyn than May....and he's pretty much my ideological enemy......but at least he isn't a traitor to the values of his own party.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Sep 2018 1.30pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

The slippery slope of ‘think how we think’ and more and more control. Self determination not such a small thing to stand up for then.

COYP