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Originally posted by sitdownstandup
and thats without mentioning the important fact that it doesnt cause any cruelty to animals either. That is a separate argument. Increasing population demands factory farming and the cruelty that goes with it is an undesirable side effect. I will no more give up meat for that reason than I will stop driving my car for the environment. It is up to governments to decide what is acceptable or not. People like you can campaign for your agenda but all the time China, India and the US are increasing consumption my contribution to the environment or animal welfare will be negligible. I am a child of the oil burning and animal eating era and I don't care how rivisionists will veiw that in the future.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
That is a separate argument. Increasing population demands factory farming and the cruelty that goes with it is an undesirable side effect. I will no more give up meat for that reason than I will stop driving my car for the environment. It is up to governments to decide what is acceptable or not. People like you can campaign for your agenda but all the time China, India and the US are increasing consumption my contribution to the environment or animal welfare will be negligible. I am a child of the oil burning and animal eating era and I don't care how rivisionists will veiw that in the future. I think the argument for eating meat is certainly there. It is a simple expression of nature. You don't feed cats vegetables because cats are designed by nature to eat meat. Humans were designed to eat meat along with most edible things within our natural environment. Nature cares nothing for any expression of equality or indeed fairness. However the argument that we aren't bound to nature is a powerful one. We subvert nature all the time with drugs and medicine that increases our life span far further than nature would given a natural run of events. So I'm not against this idea either. I think on this I've come to the conclusion that animal farming....like many forms of work...will fall to the advancement of automation. Eventually, like mobile phones this will spread to most industrialized countries. Before this becomes the norm we will already have 'grown' meat that will be more healthy while tasting exactly the same. From looking into this we are not that far from the mass production stage on that already. I hope this succeeds.....Well, I'm sure it will succeed eventually anyway...price always wins. There is, of course, a downside to this in terms of jobs. The much larger question of the effects of the advancement of automation on our societies is one that is yet to be answered. Soon all this dividing society into strivers and deadbeats will become far harder to justify. So in the future most of us will still be eating meat....but it just won't involve animal farming.
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You can poison your body with plants too.
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If that is a Led Zeppelin link thanks for the warning.
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Originally posted by Kermit8
If that is a Led Zeppelin link thanks for the warning. No, it's a horrific story about plant consumption that I think will have you all reaching for a bargain bucket.
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Originally posted by npn
Genuinely can't see why a politician's dietary preferences should be anyone's business but their own? I'm no more interested in his veganism than I am in whether he likes or hates Marmite, or can't handle a hot curry, or for some reason likes a donner kebab. Unless he's going to start eating babies, then I make take an interest What if he started eating vegans? High in vitamins and will reduce the amount of hot air in the atmosphere. Tough one to spin though when the tabloid headlines read "Corbyn Eats Do-Gooder" Sorry vegans, I'm not really poking fun at you. As alluded to earlier, respect for what you do and all that jazz.
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Originally posted by Part Time James
What if he started eating vegans? High in vitamins and will reduce the amount of hot air in the atmosphere. Tough one to spin though when the tabloid headlines read "Corbyn Eats Do-Gooder" Sorry vegans, I'm not really poking fun at you. As alluded to earlier, respect for what you do and all that jazz. Rich in fibre, I'd imagine
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
To you perhaps. Morality is a personal thing but humans were designed to eat meat and that is unavoidable.
Morals aren't socially or personally defined, they're effective truths. Also humans aren't designed to do anything, they evolve. Humans, like Chimps, are not carnivorous, they're omnivores. Chimps are not frequent meat eaters, and primarily consume vegetation, but supplement their diet with meat (typically small monkeys and insects). Which is the healthy ideal for primitive humans / chimps ensures the widest spread of nutritional source. Arguably, that's not really necessary in the 20 and 21st century, as you can easily supplement nutrition through the greater knowledge of the subject available to humans. Also if humans were 'designed' to eat meat they wouldn't need to cook it with the kind of regularity they do - as no other species needs to provide heat to eliminate toxin and germs. Like Chimps we can only eat very fresh meat raw. The truth is that very few animals eat meat on a daily basis with the regularity of humans, and it is not particularly healthy for them to do so. As you say later moderation is the key. But moderation isn't really 'once or twice a day'.
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Originally posted by npn
Rich in fibre, I'd imagine Yes. Moral fibre I've been told....by vegans....on an hourly basis.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well, fish and beans also have cholesterol. It's about the type of cholesterol and how much. Chicken is fine and a good source of protein.....many foods are fine in moderation.
Yes, fish has cholesterol, which is why I don't eat it anymore.
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Yes, fish has cholesterol, which is why I don't eat it anymore. Beans are great and are cholesterol lowering. But it's a reality that baked beans have cholesterol. Cholesterol is necessary for life. It's the level.
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Well That's not true as hardly any tories are made up from the blood of the poor.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Beans are great and are cholesterol lowering. But it's a reality that baked beans have cholesterol. Cholesterol is necessary for life. It's the level. Stop being such a dick. There's good cholesterol and bad cholesterol. Beans are a fantastic source of good cholesterol. Chicken, beef, fish, eggs etc. are laced with bad cholesterol. And if you think that a vegetarian is talking about cans of Heinz when they talk about eating beans, you're ignorant. I don't think you are, you're just deliberately obtuse when facts get in the way of your opinions because being wrong doesn't comport with your self-proclaimed "alpha male" online persona.
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Morals aren't socially or personally defined, they're effective truths. Also humans aren't designed to do anything, they evolve. Humans, like Chimps, are not carnivorous, they're omnivores. Chimps are not frequent meat eaters, and primarily consume vegetation, but supplement their diet with meat (typically small monkeys and insects). Which is the healthy ideal for primitive humans / chimps ensures the widest spread of nutritional source. Arguably, that's not really necessary in the 20 and 21st century, as you can easily supplement nutrition through the greater knowledge of the subject available to humans. Also if humans were 'designed' to eat meat they wouldn't need to cook it with the kind of regularity they do - as no other species needs to provide heat to eliminate toxin and germs. Like Chimps we can only eat very fresh meat raw. The truth is that very few animals eat meat on a daily basis with the regularity of humans, and it is not particularly healthy for them to do so. As you say later moderation is the key. But moderation isn't really 'once or twice a day'. That is just opinion without a shred of scientific basis. We eat too much of everything because it is available and we have a craving for nutrition rich foods because that is what would keep us from starving in the natural world where food is probably scarce and requires energy consumption to obtain.
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Stop being such a dick. There's good cholesterol and bad cholesterol. Beans are a fantastic source of good cholesterol. Chicken, beef, fish, eggs etc. are laced with bad cholesterol. And if you think that a vegetarian is talking about cans of Heinz when they talk about eating beans, you're ignorant. I don't think you are, you're just deliberately obtuse when facts get in the way of your opinions because being wrong doesn't comport with your self-proclaimed "alpha male" online persona.
There is no certainty and there are very few absolutes in current nutritional science.
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Stop being such a dick. There's good cholesterol and bad cholesterol. Beans are a fantastic source of good cholesterol. Chicken, beef, fish, eggs etc. are laced with bad cholesterol. And if you think that a vegetarian is talking about cans of Heinz when they talk about eating beans, you're ignorant. I don't think you are, you're just deliberately obtuse when facts get in the way of your opinions because being wrong doesn't comport with your self-proclaimed "alpha male" online persona. I'm seeing something very large and green, bursting out of his long trousers .
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You are saying with authority and certainty what the worlds best nutritional scientists cannot agree on. There is no certainty and there are very few absolutes in current nutritional science.
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
There are no absolutes in science; that what makes science so much better than belief or faith. It's constantly being challenged to prove the current consensus right or wrong and, when it's wrong, they change the consensus. Faith and belief are absolutes that never change and, as such, are far more dangerous. Why do you subscribe to so much left wing claptrap then?
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