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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 06 Sep 17 11.20am

Just another reason to dislike the terrorist sympathising skinny streak of apologist piss.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 06 Sep 17 11.27am

Originally posted by sitdownstandup

and thats without mentioning the important fact that it doesnt cause any cruelty to animals either.

That is a separate argument.

Increasing population demands factory farming and the cruelty that goes with it is an undesirable side effect.

I will no more give up meat for that reason than I will stop driving my car for the environment. It is up to governments to decide what is acceptable or not. People like you can campaign for your agenda but all the time China, India and the US are increasing consumption my contribution to the environment or animal welfare will be negligible. I am a child of the oil burning and animal eating era and I don't care how rivisionists will veiw that in the future.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 06 Sep 17 12.14pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That is a separate argument.

Increasing population demands factory farming and the cruelty that goes with it is an undesirable side effect.

I will no more give up meat for that reason than I will stop driving my car for the environment. It is up to governments to decide what is acceptable or not. People like you can campaign for your agenda but all the time China, India and the US are increasing consumption my contribution to the environment or animal welfare will be negligible. I am a child of the oil burning and animal eating era and I don't care how rivisionists will veiw that in the future.

I think the argument for eating meat is certainly there. It is a simple expression of nature. You don't feed cats vegetables because cats are designed by nature to eat meat. Humans were designed to eat meat along with most edible things within our natural environment.

Nature cares nothing for any expression of equality or indeed fairness.

However the argument that we aren't bound to nature is a powerful one. We subvert nature all the time with drugs and medicine that increases our life span far further than nature would given a natural run of events. So I'm not against this idea either.

I think on this I've come to the conclusion that animal farming....like many forms of work...will fall to the advancement of automation. Eventually, like mobile phones this will spread to most industrialized countries.

Before this becomes the norm we will already have 'grown' meat that will be more healthy while tasting exactly the same. From looking into this we are not that far from the mass production stage on that already. I hope this succeeds.....Well, I'm sure it will succeed eventually anyway...price always wins.

There is, of course, a downside to this in terms of jobs. The much larger question of the effects of the advancement of automation on our societies is one that is yet to be answered.

Soon all this dividing society into strivers and deadbeats will become far harder to justify.

So in the future most of us will still be eating meat....but it just won't involve animal farming.


Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Sep 2017 12.17pm)

 


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Part Time James Flag 06 Sep 17 12.21pm

You can poison your body with plants too.

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 06 Sep 17 12.24pm

Originally posted by Part Time James

You can poison your body with plants too.

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If that is a Led Zeppelin link thanks for the warning.

 


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Part Time James Flag 06 Sep 17 12.27pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

If that is a Led Zeppelin link thanks for the warning.

No, it's a horrific story about plant consumption that I think will have you all reaching for a bargain bucket.

 




npn Flag Crowborough 06 Sep 17 12.37pm

Genuinely can't see why a politician's dietary preferences should be anyone's business but their own?

I'm no more interested in his veganism than I am in whether he likes or hates Marmite, or can't handle a hot curry, or for some reason likes a donner kebab. Unless he's going to start eating babies, then I make take an interest

 

Part Time James Flag 06 Sep 17 12.40pm

Originally posted by npn

Genuinely can't see why a politician's dietary preferences should be anyone's business but their own?

I'm no more interested in his veganism than I am in whether he likes or hates Marmite, or can't handle a hot curry, or for some reason likes a donner kebab. Unless he's going to start eating babies, then I make take an interest

What if he started eating vegans? High in vitamins and will reduce the amount of hot air in the atmosphere.

Tough one to spin though when the tabloid headlines read "Corbyn Eats Do-Gooder"

Sorry vegans, I'm not really poking fun at you. As alluded to earlier, respect for what you do and all that jazz.

 




npn Flag Crowborough 06 Sep 17 12.50pm

Originally posted by Part Time James

What if he started eating vegans? High in vitamins and will reduce the amount of hot air in the atmosphere.

Tough one to spin though when the tabloid headlines read "Corbyn Eats Do-Gooder"

Sorry vegans, I'm not really poking fun at you. As alluded to earlier, respect for what you do and all that jazz.

Rich in fibre, I'd imagine

 

jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 06 Sep 17 12.53pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

To you perhaps. Morality is a personal thing but humans were designed to eat meat and that is unavoidable.


Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Sep 2017 1.24pm)

Morals aren't socially or personally defined, they're effective truths. Also humans aren't designed to do anything, they evolve.

Humans, like Chimps, are not carnivorous, they're omnivores. Chimps are not frequent meat eaters, and primarily consume vegetation, but supplement their diet with meat (typically small monkeys and insects).

Which is the healthy ideal for primitive humans / chimps ensures the widest spread of nutritional source. Arguably, that's not really necessary in the 20 and 21st century, as you can easily supplement nutrition through the greater knowledge of the subject available to humans.

Also if humans were 'designed' to eat meat they wouldn't need to cook it with the kind of regularity they do - as no other species needs to provide heat to eliminate toxin and germs. Like Chimps we can only eat very fresh meat raw.

The truth is that very few animals eat meat on a daily basis with the regularity of humans, and it is not particularly healthy for them to do so.

As you say later moderation is the key. But moderation isn't really 'once or twice a day'.

 


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Part Time James Flag 06 Sep 17 12.57pm

Originally posted by npn

Rich in fibre, I'd imagine

Yes. Moral fibre I've been told....by vegans....on an hourly basis.

 




Ray in Houston Flag Houston 06 Sep 17 3.20pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well, fish and beans also have cholesterol. It's about the type of cholesterol and how much.

Chicken is fine and a good source of protein.....many foods are fine in moderation.


Beans? Beans! Beans are a cholesterol-lowering super-food that are high in protein and fibre. WTFF?

Yes, fish has cholesterol, which is why I don't eat it anymore.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 06 Sep 17 3.49pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston


Beans? Beans! Beans are a cholesterol-lowering super-food that are high in protein and fibre. WTFF?

Yes, fish has cholesterol, which is why I don't eat it anymore.

Beans are great and are cholesterol lowering. But it's a reality that baked beans have cholesterol.

Cholesterol is necessary for life. It's the level.

 


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coulsdoneagle Flag London 06 Sep 17 3.51pm

Originally posted by Part Time James

Corbyn only eats vegetables?

Well, you are what you eat.

Well That's not true as hardly any tories are made up from the blood of the poor.

 

Ray in Houston Flag Houston 06 Sep 17 3.52pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Beans are great and are cholesterol lowering. But it's a reality that baked beans have cholesterol.

Cholesterol is necessary for life. It's the level.

Stop being such a dick. There's good cholesterol and bad cholesterol. Beans are a fantastic source of good cholesterol. Chicken, beef, fish, eggs etc. are laced with bad cholesterol.

And if you think that a vegetarian is talking about cans of Heinz when they talk about eating beans, you're ignorant. I don't think you are, you're just deliberately obtuse when facts get in the way of your opinions because being wrong doesn't comport with your self-proclaimed "alpha male" online persona.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 06 Sep 17 4.02pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Morals aren't socially or personally defined, they're effective truths. Also humans aren't designed to do anything, they evolve.

Humans, like Chimps, are not carnivorous, they're omnivores. Chimps are not frequent meat eaters, and primarily consume vegetation, but supplement their diet with meat (typically small monkeys and insects).

Which is the healthy ideal for primitive humans / chimps ensures the widest spread of nutritional source. Arguably, that's not really necessary in the 20 and 21st century, as you can easily supplement nutrition through the greater knowledge of the subject available to humans.

Also if humans were 'designed' to eat meat they wouldn't need to cook it with the kind of regularity they do - as no other species needs to provide heat to eliminate toxin and germs. Like Chimps we can only eat very fresh meat raw.

The truth is that very few animals eat meat on a daily basis with the regularity of humans, and it is not particularly healthy for them to do so.

As you say later moderation is the key. But moderation isn't really 'once or twice a day'.

That is just opinion without a shred of scientific basis.
We do not need to cook meat but it does make it easier to break down and therefore more nutritional.

We eat too much of everything because it is available and we have a craving for nutrition rich foods because that is what would keep us from starving in the natural world where food is probably scarce and requires energy consumption to obtain.
The bottom line is that you can eat what you want and what most want is plenty of meat. That is the best evidence for our evolutionary desire to eat it and the reason why we eat too much of it in the modern world of plenty.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 06 Sep 17 4.06pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Stop being such a dick. There's good cholesterol and bad cholesterol. Beans are a fantastic source of good cholesterol. Chicken, beef, fish, eggs etc. are laced with bad cholesterol.

And if you think that a vegetarian is talking about cans of Heinz when they talk about eating beans, you're ignorant. I don't think you are, you're just deliberately obtuse when facts get in the way of your opinions because being wrong doesn't comport with your self-proclaimed "alpha male" online persona.


You are saying with authority and certainty what the worlds best nutritional scientists cannot agree on.

There is no certainty and there are very few absolutes in current nutritional science.

 

Slimey Toad Flag Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 06 Sep 17 4.08pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Stop being such a dick. There's good cholesterol and bad cholesterol. Beans are a fantastic source of good cholesterol. Chicken, beef, fish, eggs etc. are laced with bad cholesterol.

And if you think that a vegetarian is talking about cans of Heinz when they talk about eating beans, you're ignorant. I don't think you are, you're just deliberately obtuse when facts get in the way of your opinions because being wrong doesn't comport with your self-proclaimed "alpha male" online persona.

I'm seeing something very large and green, bursting out of his long trousers .

 

Ray in Houston Flag Houston 06 Sep 17 4.32pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You are saying with authority and certainty what the worlds best nutritional scientists cannot agree on.

There is no certainty and there are very few absolutes in current nutritional science.


There are no absolutes in science; that what makes science so much better than belief or faith. It's constantly being challenged to prove the current consensus right or wrong and, when it's wrong, they change the consensus. Faith and belief are absolutes that never change and, as such, are far more dangerous.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 06 Sep 17 4.34pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

There are no absolutes in science; that what makes science so much better than belief or faith. It's constantly being challenged to prove the current consensus right or wrong and, when it's wrong, they change the consensus. Faith and belief are absolutes that never change and, as such, are far more dangerous.

Why do you subscribe to so much left wing claptrap then?

 


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