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 PalazioVecchio  south pole 08 Jul 18 7.37pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
There's good nationalism (cultural affiliation and ideas) and bad nationalism (race and class). Leftists and racists focus on the latter. I view nationalism as Mo Farah on a lap of honour waving the Union flag, while the left and far right views nationalism as a white skinhead waving the Union flag. Did the union flag take steroids ?
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DanH  SW2 08 Jul 18 8.00pm |
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Originally posted by Brentmiester_General
I’ve got an inch on you. But some of the scariest people I’ve ever met are 6 minus. Edited by Brentmiester_General (08 Jul 2018 6.15pm) *waves*
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| DanH SW2 12 Jul 18 9.35am |
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If Nationalism is what has happened to the country over the last month I'm fully on board. That England team is representative of modern England and the England I grew up in in so so many ways.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 12 Jul 18 11.44am |
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Originally posted by DanH
If Nationalism is what has happened to the country over the last month I'm fully on board. That England team is representative of modern England and the England I grew up in in so so many ways. Totally agree, people from all backgrounds uniting behind one flag in a positive manner.
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| Mstrobez 12 Jul 18 11.57am |
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There is a textbook definition of nationalism which is the following - "an extreme form of patriotism marked by a feeling of superiority over other countries" So the "moderate" nationalists either aren't nationalists at all or they're being dishonest about how moderate they really are. Edited by Mstrobez (12 Jul 2018 11.57am)
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| DanH SW2 12 Jul 18 12.04pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Totally agree, people from all backgrounds uniting behind one flag in a positive manner. 100%. Now come here and give me a hug.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 12 Jul 18 12.08pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
100%. Now come here and give me a hug. Erm...
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 12 Jul 18 12.14pm |
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Originally posted by Mstrobez
There is a textbook definition of nationalism which is the following - "an extreme form of patriotism marked by a feeling of superiority over other countries" So the "moderate" nationalists either aren't nationalists at all or they're being dishonest about how moderate they really are. Edited by Mstrobez (12 Jul 2018 11.57am) The "feeling of superiority" is that we have the best football songs, we have the most loyal following at away games and huge turnouts in places at places like BoxPark, and an incredibly diverse bunch of England fans where MILLIONS get along and are united. It should be celebrated. Edited by Penge Eagle (12 Jul 2018 12.15pm)
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| Mstrobez 12 Jul 18 2.59pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
The "feeling of superiority" is that we have the best football songs, we have the most loyal following at away games and huge turnouts in places at places like BoxPark, and an incredibly diverse bunch of England fans where MILLIONS get along and are united. It should be celebrated. Edited by Penge Eagle (12 Jul 2018 12.15pm) But half of those statements are based on opinions. So the benchmark of superiority is by default not based on anything other than people thinking they’re inherently better than other people, just because they say so. I’m sure plenty of nations had terrific turnouts to watch games. I’m sure plenty of nations would feel their songs are better. So that is still an implication of being superior on the basis of nationality alone.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 12 Jul 18 3.26pm |
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Originally posted by Mstrobez
But half of those statements are based on opinions. So the benchmark of superiority is by default not based on anything other than people thinking they’re inherently better than other people, just because they say so. I’m sure plenty of nations had terrific turnouts to watch games. I’m sure plenty of nations would feel their songs are better. So that is still an implication of being superior on the basis of nationality alone. And I respect that other nations might think they are superior and have good arguments to believe that also. Plus, feeling superior is not a bad thing, unless you do bad actions off the back of it. Edited by Penge Eagle (12 Jul 2018 3.34pm)
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| steeleye20 Croydon 12 Jul 18 3.36pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
And I respect that other nations might think they are superior and have good arguments to believe that also. Well they don't do that, it is us the UK. If the UK wants to commit suicide that's for the UK but you can't any longer pretend we are superior to anyone else. Not that we ever were.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 12 Jul 18 3.46pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Well they don't do that, it is us the UK. If the UK wants to commit suicide that's for the UK but you can't any longer pretend we are superior to anyone else. Not that we ever were. You've not understood my argument and just blurted out your own prejudices.
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