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Stirlingsays Flag 09 Apr 20 3.23pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

As Woody Allen said - Those who can’t do teach. And those who can’t teach, teach gym.

Not as spicy as when he said, 'Mmmm...my stepdaughter is looking a bit tasty today'.


Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Apr 2020 3.24pm)

 


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ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 09 Apr 20 3.27pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yes they did, but the middle classes also played their part in destroying it for purposes of advantage.

In the end its purpose for social mobility became a joke.

socialism destroyed quality education cos it abolished grammar schools ?-utter cr*p! - the affection felt by some kids to their 'posh' schools is partly down to snobbery engendered by their families and the fact that their schools had fewer bullying toe rags and people had to behave cos it was hurting someone financially if they didn't - I went to a state grammar run by priests (10% of the staff inc head master) and it was sh*te - it's the bureaucracy, the fudge, lack of imagination and lack of belief in state education itself which is the problem, Kier Starmer is all in favour of the private choice, as historically have nearly all the labour front bench, if there was any conviction to get the same levels of creative thinking and subject expertise that attracts people to the independent sector into the public sector things might improve, the real enemy are things like academies trusts which filter money to a load of cynical suits and keep hard working staff's wages lower than they should be - another private/public hybrid gravy train.

 

ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 09 Apr 20 3.29pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I have a medal for my school goalkeeping somewhere.

PE teacher didn't like me though, he was a nasty piece of work.


the second statement does not necessarily follow on from the first

 

JRW2 Flag Dulwich 09 Apr 20 3.32pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

God, how depressing....they obviously gave in to the endless dumbing down of society.

Go and find out the difference.

I'll give you a clue though, a 'jealous god', is not an envious one.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Apr 2020 2.16pm)

What I said was that the Oxford dictionary gives one definition of jealous as envious. It quotes your example (concerning God) as another definition. So for what it's worth, your horror at the first one isn't shared by the Oxford dictionary compilers. Still, it's always heartening for an old fogey like me to find someone who cares about the correct use of words.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 09 Apr 20 3.37pm

Originally posted by JRW2

What I said was that the Oxford dictionary gives one definition of jealous as envious. It quotes your example (concerning God) as another definition. So for what it's worth, your horror at the first one isn't shared by the Oxford dictionary compilers. Still, it's always heartening for an old fogey like me to find someone who cares about the correct use of words.

Thank you sir.

It's like the word jealously, which has...or had at least a specific and valid meaning, is being erased by sheer laziness. You even get the BBC doing it now, not that it should surprise me.

It's a bugbear of mine.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 09 Apr 20 3.38pm

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

the second statement does not necessarily follow on from the first

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 09 Apr 20 3.48pm

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

socialism destroyed quality education cos it abolished grammar schools ?-utter cr*p! - the affection felt by some kids to their 'posh' schools is partly down to snobbery engendered by their families and the fact that their schools had fewer bullying toe rags and people had to behave cos it was hurting someone financially if they didn't - I went to a state grammar run by priests (10% of the staff inc head master) and it was sh*te - it's the bureaucracy, the fudge, lack of imagination and lack of belief in state education itself which is the problem, Kier Starmer is all in favour of the private choice, as historically have nearly all the labour front bench, if there was any conviction to get the same levels of creative thinking and subject expertise that attracts people to the independent sector into the public sector things might improve, the real enemy are things like academies trusts which filter money to a load of cynical suits and keep hard working staff's wages lower than they should be - another private/public hybrid gravy train.

To be fair, Matov said 'Socialism destroyed our Grammer school system purely for purposes of ideology'.

He's right of course, it was for ideology.

Socialism wants a purely comprehensive system, because it's obsessed with equality, which in its pure form is the opposite of meritocracy.

I remain conflicted on this subject. For me, in most situations, meritocracy must always win.

However, there are problems within social mobility systems that don't end up delivering any significant social mobility....they did far better at the start.

I think a renewed grammar school system could work....but I wouldn't trust the left with it because the left are responsible for the state of education as it is.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Apr 2020 4.16pm)

 


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mezzer Flag Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 09 Apr 20 3.59pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


As Woody Allen said - Those who can’t do teach. And those who can’t teach, teach gym.

Oi, I used to be a PE teacher.

Mind you, he's not far wrong (although I wish it hadn't been Woody Allen saying it....can we go with Dave Allen instead?).

Anyway, there's a reason PE teachers didn't much like kids in general. It's because they spoiled what would otherwise have been a nice quiet life.

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 09 Apr 20 4.14pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

To be fair, Matov said 'Socialism destroyed our Grammer school system purely for purposes of ideology'.

He's right of course, it was for ideology.

Socialism wants a purely comprehensive system, because it's obsessed with equality, which in its pure form is the opposite of meritocracy.

I remain conflicted on this subject. For me, in most situations, meritocracy must always win.

However, there are problems within social mobility systems that don't end up delivering any significant social mobility....they did far better at the start.

I think a renewed grammar school system could work....but I wouldn't trust the left with them because the left are responsible for the state of education as it is.

As far as I'm aware grammar schools like the one in Wisbech I went to still exist. And they have a certain amount of scholarships for those less able to afford fees don't they?
The scholarships are highly competitive, therefore, a mixture of meritocracy and privelege. The system is smaller than it was but the best grammar schools still exist - in true market forces fashion.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 09 Apr 20 4.20pm

Originally posted by mezzer

Oi, I used to be a PE teacher.

Mind you, he's not far wrong (although I wish it hadn't been Woody Allen saying it....can we go with Dave Allen instead?).

Anyway, there's a reason PE teachers didn't much like kids in general. It's because they spoiled what would otherwise have been a nice quiet life.

You get a free pass from me. I’d rather be playing football or pirates in the gym than arsing around with a slide rule or avoiding getting jabbed with a compass in some endless lesson.

 

Mapletree Flag Croydon 09 Apr 20 4.22pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

As far as I'm aware grammar schools like the one in Wisbech I went to still exist. And they have a certain amount of scholarships for those less able to afford fees don't they?
The scholarships are highly competitive, therefore, a mixture of meritocracy and privelege. The system is smaller than it was but the best grammar schools still exist - in true market forces fashion.

There are 164 Grammar Schools in England

They are State funded, you don't pay to send your child to them although they may 'request' some contribution.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 09 Apr 20 4.23pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

As far as I'm aware grammar schools like the one in Wisbech I went to still exist. And they have a certain amount of scholarships for those less able to afford fees don't they?
The scholarships are highly competitive, therefore, a mixture of meritocracy and privelege. The system is smaller than it was but the best grammar schools still exist - in true market forces fashion.

Yes, it still exists as we know the system exists.

As for them helping the bright working class....come on, we know how this works. We have already seen in the thread how the term 'working class' can be redefined to mean whatever you want.

Grammar schools became cheap private schools for the sharp elbowed. It was always going to happen. You need a committed ideology to keep them about social mobility.

That said, as I say....I wouldn't trust them with the 'affirmative action' mob either.

Perhaps the ideal of Grammar schools was always doomed to failure as the nature of society changed.

 


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 09 Apr 20 4.41pm

Originally posted by Spiderman


Apologies, I asked Mr Google for assistance and he told me that Keir Starmer appears on the Independent Reigate Grammar School's Alumni, I therefore assumed that at some time he had attended the said establishment.

Do keep up.

 

Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 09 Apr 20 4.42pm

Originally posted by mezzer

Oi, I used to be a PE teacher.

Mind you, he's not far wrong (although I wish it hadn't been Woody Allen saying it....can we go with Dave Allen instead?).

Anyway, there's a reason PE teachers didn't much like kids in general. It's because they spoiled what would otherwise have been a nice quiet life.

'Bullet Baxter'

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 09 Apr 20 4.45pm

Originally posted by cryrst

You dont remember you bet with Matthew Kelly then.
As for being a silly comment that's your opinion the same as it was mine to say it. If you look at politics the centre left is very close to the centre right and starmer is centre left. Nearly a tory.
I went to trash burton senior school. Left just before it came bottom in a report uk wide. I was there when we did the rowntree festival ad. Not so much as a chocolate for my fame.
I remember mr Barlow (loved his stocks and shares)
Mrs dennison (looked dirty even to me back then)
Mr tufnell (the gay head master)
Mr Jones the PE boss (or mr angry as my mate found out on day one)
And poor adrian tassy RIP.
My long term memory is spot on but short term I'm a bit lax. That must be normal

Did I teach you? It is actually possible.

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 09 Apr 20 4.47pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Do keep up.

? Please explain. You accused me of not using facts, what is wrong with my above statement? I know you think I am pretty stupid but I honestly want to know what you mean

 

Stirlingsays Flag 09 Apr 20 4.51pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

? Please explain. You accused me of not using facts, what is wrong with my above statement? I know you think I am pretty stupid but I honestly want to know what you mean

I shouldn't imagine he has the time considering all those 15 hour shifts.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Apr 2020 4.51pm)

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 09 Apr 20 4.52pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I shouldn't imagine he has the time considering all those 15 hour shifts.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Apr 2020 4.51pm)

 

Mapletree Flag Croydon 09 Apr 20 4.59pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

? Please explain. You accused me of not using facts, what is wrong with my above statement? I know you think I am pretty stupid but I honestly want to know what you mean

He did not join when it was independent

It is quite common for people to be an alumnus of an organisation of which they were never a part or which changed during their time there, I am an alumnus of two such organisations. Things move on.

Edited by Mapletree (09 Apr 2020 5.16pm)

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 09 Apr 20 5.16pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

He did not join when it was independent

It is quite common for people to be an alumnus of an organisation of which they were never a part, I am an alumnus of two such organisations. Things move on.

Did I say he joined when it was independent? I said he attended Reigate Independent Grammar, did he?
Website states he attended RGS 1974-1981 so he was never a part?

 

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