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jeeagles 27 Jul 20 10.43am
Originally posted by Badger11 If I was a young defender I would like to play under Roy I think this is his real strength and I think Mitchell and Ferguson will benefit from it plus playing along sides the like of Cahill and Dann. If I was an attack minded player I would be looking elsewhere to lean my trade. You wouldn't get on the pitch.

jeeagles

27 Jul 20 10.43am

Originally posted by Badger11

If I was a young defender I would like to play under Roy I think this is his real strength and I think Mitchell and Ferguson will benefit from it plus playing along sides the like of Cahill and Dann.

If I was an attack minded player I would be looking elsewhere to lean my trade.

You wouldn't get on the pitch.

Den1923 27 Jul 20 2.36pm
Originally posted by A1969Eagle sorry but fellow fans just dont get it Who in the right mind, unless its a final contract for the player, will players want to come and play Roys Plan A and negative tactics. If the player has a choice of two premier clubs, its very unlikely to be us. If we are the only team after him, that says it all... Roy add no value to our team, their values fall. Who did he want to blood yesterday against Spurs.. no one.. He wont change next year. If you are trying to pick players that should buy, think why would they be a "Roys" player. Whenever a new manager arrives "Roys" fav players will be gone, you see this every match, if they can walk, they can play He is clueless to provide tactics to make a forward play plan, he wants his wingers to cover the full back. For Zaha, in his shoes I would hate to stuck in a negative based team, no wonder he is in a rut and just doesn't want to do Roys tactics, hes tried and he knows they dont work for forwards, move on Zaha or Roy move on and then under a new manager we will likely see a rejuvenated Zaha!! Ps Brighton had a poor season.. yet finished two points behind Palace, get real to what our season was.. Newcastle had a bad season, they finished above Palace Right now there are quite a lots of players at Norwich, Watford and Bournemouth who would love to be in any PL team. Roy has used the tools he was largely given to keep us in PL for three seasons with little support on team investment during that time, other managers walked away or were fired because the squad were not capable of playing the way you suggest and at the same time stay in PL. As for strikers, Roy has had none for three years that were capable of scoring consistently despite numerous request for support in that area. Like or not, its is a fact, that we are still in PL because of Roy's, tactics, whether you like it or not his, tactics have worked and earnt this club a fortune from income because of our PL status.

Den1923

27 Jul 20 2.36pm

Originally posted by A1969Eagle

sorry but fellow fans just dont get it
Who in the right mind, unless its a final contract for the player, will players want to come and play Roys Plan A and negative tactics.
If the player has a choice of two premier clubs, its very unlikely to be us. If we are the only team after him, that says it all...

Roy add no value to our team, their values fall.
Who did he want to blood yesterday against Spurs.. no one.. He wont change next year.

If you are trying to pick players that should buy, think why would they be a "Roys" player. Whenever a new manager arrives "Roys" fav players will be gone, you see this every match, if they can walk, they can play

He is clueless to provide tactics to make a forward play plan, he wants his wingers to cover the full back.
For Zaha, in his shoes I would hate to stuck in a negative based team, no wonder he is in a rut and just doesn't want to do Roys tactics, hes tried and he knows they dont work for forwards, move on Zaha or Roy move on and then under a new manager we will likely see a rejuvenated Zaha!!

Ps Brighton had a poor season.. yet finished two points behind Palace, get real to what our season was.. Newcastle had a bad season, they finished above Palace

Right now there are quite a lots of players at Norwich, Watford and Bournemouth who would love to be in any PL team. Roy has used the tools he was largely given to keep us in PL for three seasons with little support on team investment during that time, other managers walked away or were fired because the squad were not capable of playing the way you suggest and at the same time stay in PL. As for strikers, Roy has had none for three years that were capable of scoring consistently despite numerous request for support in that area. Like or not, its is a fact, that we are still in PL because of Roy's, tactics, whether you like it or not his, tactics have worked and earnt this club a fortune from income because of our PL status.

Den1923 27 Jul 20 2.38pm
Originally posted by Badger11 If I was a young defender I would like to play under Roy I think this is his real strength and I think Mitchell and Ferguson will benefit from it plus playing along sides the like of Cahill and Dann. If I was an attack minded player I would be looking elsewhere to lean my trade. I couldn't agree more and please don't forget to add AWB to that list!

Den1923

27 Jul 20 2.38pm

Originally posted by Badger11

If I was a young defender I would like to play under Roy I think this is his real strength and I think Mitchell and Ferguson will benefit from it plus playing along sides the like of Cahill and Dann.

If I was an attack minded player I would be looking elsewhere to lean my trade.

I couldn't agree more and please don't forget to add AWB to that list!

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 27 Jul 20 2.46pm
Originally posted by Den1923 Right now there are quite a lots of players at Norwich, Watford and Bournemouth who would love to be in any PL team. Roy has used the tools he was largely given to keep us in PL for three seasons with little support on team investment during that time, other managers walked away or were fired because the squad were not capable of playing the way you suggest and at the same time stay in PL. As for strikers, Roy has had none for three years that were capable of scoring consistently despite numerous request for support in that area. Like or not, its is a fact, that we are still in PL because of Roy's, tactics, whether you like it or not his, tactics have worked and earnt this club a fortune from income because of our PL status. Heaven be praised! Someone else who totally gets it. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 27 Jul 20 2.46pm

Originally posted by Den1923

Heaven be praised! Someone else who totally gets it.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Jul 20 3.46pm
Originally posted by Den1923 Right now there are quite a lots of players at Norwich, Watford and Bournemouth who would love to be in any PL team. Roy has used the tools he was largely given to keep us in PL for three seasons with little support on team investment during that time, other managers walked away or were fired because the squad were not capable of playing the way you suggest and at the same time stay in PL. As for strikers, Roy has had none for three years that were capable of scoring consistently despite numerous request for support in that area. Like or not, its is a fact, that we are still in PL because of Roy's, tactics, whether you like it or not his, tactics have worked and earnt this club a fortune from income because of our PL status. Sorry but apart from FDB then the period when Benteke was out at the start of Roy’s reign when Roy produced miracles getting results with no forwards, Benteke went from being highly effective under Allardyce to completely useless or rarely receiving a chance or a quick ball or pass. We wait for the opposition to get ready and set before the defence has touched it 27 times. Benteke did miss some chances sure, but he was never a clinical finisher. Look at him at Liverpool. Couldn’t side foot the ball in from a pass from a right winger. But give him plenty of action and he got goals. Liverpool had long build up play and it didn’t suit him. The whole football world knew it. Our build up play takes about 5 times longer. Roy, Parish, Freedman and the other 2 major owners all share the blame for our gradual and obvious decline into the issues we’re facing. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 27 Jul 20 3.46pm

Originally posted by Den1923

Sorry but apart from FDB then the period when Benteke was out at the start of Roy’s reign when Roy produced miracles getting results with no forwards, Benteke went from being highly effective under Allardyce to completely useless or rarely receiving a chance or a quick ball or pass. We wait for the opposition to get ready and set before the defence has touched it 27 times. Benteke did miss some chances sure, but he was never a clinical finisher. Look at him at Liverpool. Couldn’t side foot the ball in from a pass from a right winger. But give him plenty of action and he got goals. Liverpool had long build up play and it didn’t suit him. The whole football world knew it. Our build up play takes about 5 times longer.

Roy, Parish, Freedman and the other 2 major owners all share the blame for our gradual and obvious decline into the issues we’re facing.

COYP

Rudi Hedman Caterham 27 Jul 20 3.48pm
Originally posted by Badger11 If I was a young defender I would like to play under Roy I think this is his real strength and I think Mitchell and Ferguson will benefit from it plus playing along sides the like of Cahill and Dann. If I was an attack minded player I would be looking elsewhere to lean my trade. Yep. And at best you’d probably wait for your turn after about 15 games, but probably more. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 27 Jul 20 3.48pm

Originally posted by Badger11

If I was a young defender I would like to play under Roy I think this is his real strength and I think Mitchell and Ferguson will benefit from it plus playing along sides the like of Cahill and Dann.

If I was an attack minded player I would be looking elsewhere to lean my trade.

Yep. And at best you’d probably wait for your turn after about 15 games, but probably more.

COYP

Den1923 27 Jul 20 8.32pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Sorry but apart from FDB then the period when Benteke was out at the start of Roy’s reign when Roy produced miracles getting results with no forwards, Benteke went from being highly effective under Allardyce to completely useless or rarely receiving a chance or a quick ball or pass. We wait for the opposition to get ready and set before the defence has touched it 27 times. Benteke did miss some chances sure, but he was never a clinical finisher. Look at him at Liverpool. Couldn’t side foot the ball in from a pass from a right winger. But give him plenty of action and he got goals. Liverpool had long build up play and it didn’t suit him. The whole football world knew it. Our build up play takes about 5 times longer. Roy, Parish, Freedman and the other 2 major owners all share the blame for our gradual and obvious decline into the issues we’re facing. Sorry Rudi but I have never been great fan of Benteke, in his first season he did score 15 goals and in fairness to him that did probably keep us in the PL. He has not done much since. I personally found him lazy and lacking in mobility always waiting for the ball to come to him (his head) and not working defenders when he did not have the ball (unlike Vardy), as you rightly say his floor skills were fairly limited. Remember the penalty he missed in the last minute at home to Man City. IMO Roy has had limited choices with the squad that he had largely inherited, made worse by a fairly long run of long term injuries in a relatively small squad. Sam Allardyce, was manager for 23 games (points per game 1.26), at the end of the season he knew that the team would struggle and when he knew the cash was not there he walked as did Pulis before him. The team has tried to play expansive football under Pardew and FdB and each time we were nearly relegated had their tenue continued. Whereas Roy Has stuck with us and IMO against the odds kept us in the PL. I appreciate that others have different opposing views and that is there right. However what I would like to see now is us all pulling together around Roy and hope he gets the players he wants and the support from the board that he deserves.

Den1923

27 Jul 20 8.32pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Roy, Parish, Freedman and the other 2 major owners all share the blame for our gradual and obvious decline into the issues we’re facing.

Sorry Rudi but I have never been great fan of Benteke, in his first season he did score 15 goals and in fairness to him that did probably keep us in the PL. He has not done much since. I personally found him lazy and lacking in mobility always waiting for the ball to come to him (his head) and not working defenders when he did not have the ball (unlike Vardy), as you rightly say his floor skills were fairly limited. Remember the penalty he missed in the last minute at home to Man City. IMO Roy has had limited choices with the squad that he had largely inherited, made worse by a fairly long run of long term injuries in a relatively small squad. Sam Allardyce, was manager for 23 games (points per game 1.26), at the end of the season he knew that the team would struggle and when he knew the cash was not there he walked as did Pulis before him. The team has tried to play expansive football under Pardew and FdB and each time we were nearly relegated had their tenue continued. Whereas Roy Has stuck with us and IMO against the odds kept us in the PL.
I appreciate that others have different opposing views and that is there right. However what I would like to see now is us all pulling together around Roy and hope he gets the players he wants and the support from the board that he deserves.

Rachid Rachid Rachid 27 Jul 20 10.12pm
Originally posted by Den1923 Sorry Rudi but I have never been great fan of Benteke, in his first season he did score 15 goals and in fairness to him that did probably keep us in the PL. He has not done much since. I personally found him lazy and lacking in mobility always waiting for the ball to come to him (his head) and not working defenders when he did not have the ball (unlike Vardy), as you rightly say his floor skills were fairly limited. Remember the penalty he missed in the last minute at home to Man City. IMO Roy has had limited choices with the squad that he had largely inherited, made worse by a fairly long run of long term injuries in a relatively small squad. Sam Allardyce, was manager for 23 games (points per game 1.26), at the end of the season he knew that the team would struggle and when he knew the cash was not there he walked as did Pulis before him. The team has tried to play expansive football under Pardew and FdB and each time we were nearly relegated had their tenue continued. Whereas Roy Has stuck with us and IMO against the odds kept us in the PL. I appreciate that others have different opposing views and that is there right. However what I would like to see now is us all pulling together around Roy and hope he gets the players he wants and the support from the board that he deserves. Agree with this. He didn't work hard enough to play himself back into form when his head went. Furthermore Shearer and/or Wright highlighted his lack of movement and effective hiding from goalscoring opportunities. It's true that we haven't played to his strengths but he was a lost cause and didn't look capable of converting the simplest chance. Even recently he was ponderous given the chance to equalise against Chelsea.

Rachid Rachid Rachid

27 Jul 20 10.12pm

Originally posted by Den1923

Agree with this. He didn't work hard enough to play himself back into form when his head went. Furthermore Shearer and/or Wright highlighted his lack of movement and effective hiding from goalscoring opportunities.

It's true that we haven't played to his strengths but he was a lost cause and didn't look capable of converting the simplest chance. Even recently he was ponderous given the chance to equalise against Chelsea.

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 27 Jul 20 10.24pm
No!

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 27 Jul 20 10.24pm

No!

Winch Eagle Fleet, Hampshire 27 Jul 20 10.31pm
I think it was always a question of timing and ultimately availability of a replacement. Roy has not covered himself in glory after the re start, but it only leaves him vunerable if the club feel there is an ideal replacement out there. Historically the candidate would be English and experienced so the 2 who fit that are potentially available in Dyche and Howe. In my oppinion if the right fit is about now then we need to go with it. Winch Eagle

Winch Eagle

Fleet, Hampshire 27 Jul 20 10.31pm

I think it was always a question of timing and ultimately availability of a replacement.
Roy has not covered himself in glory after the re start, but it only leaves him vunerable if the club feel there is an ideal replacement out there.
Historically the candidate would be English and experienced so the 2 who fit that are potentially available in Dyche and Howe.
In my oppinion if the right fit is about now then we need to go with it.

Winch Eagle

HKOwen Hong Kong 29 Jul 20 2.11am
Let's wait and see, oh, hang on......... This is a truly redundant thread Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 29 Jul 20 2.11am

Let's wait and see, oh, hang on.........

This is a truly redundant thread

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

A1969Eagle Redhill 31 Jul 20 1.34am
Do you remember what they said last year about Roy [Link] Do you remember what Roy said when he left England Football team? [Tweet Link] "Now is the time for someone else to oversee the progress of this young hungry and extremely talent group...." Roy you go round in circles, nothing improves.. standing still means going backwards!!

A1969Eagle

Redhill 31 Jul 20 1.34am

Do you remember what they said last year about Roy

[Link]

Do you remember what Roy said when he left England Football team?

[Tweet Link]

"Now is the time for someone else to oversee the progress of this young hungry and extremely talent group...."

Roy you go round in circles, nothing improves.. standing still means going backwards!!

Spiderman Horsham 31 Jul 20 6.34am
Originally posted by Den1923 Sorry Rudi but I have never been great fan of Benteke, in his first season he did score 15 goals and in fairness to him that did probably keep us in the PL. He has not done much since. I personally found him lazy and lacking in mobility always waiting for the ball to come to him (his head) and not working defenders when he did not have the ball (unlike Vardy), as you rightly say his floor skills were fairly limited. Remember the penalty he missed in the last minute at home to Man City. IMO Roy has had limited choices with the squad that he had largely inherited, made worse by a fairly long run of long term injuries in a relatively small squad. Sam Allardyce, was manager for 23 games (points per game 1.26), at the end of the season he knew that the team would struggle and when he knew the cash was not there he walked as did Pulis before him. The team has tried to play expansive football under Pardew and FdB and each time we were nearly relegated had their tenue continued. Whereas Roy Has stuck with us and IMO against the odds kept us in the PL. I appreciate that others have different opposing views and that is there right. However what I would like to see now is us all pulling together around Roy and hope he gets the players he wants and the support from the board that he deserves. Don’t want to sound pedantic but Luka missed the Man City penalty, CB missed against Bournemouth, still never understand why he took it or why the other players allowed him to

Spiderman

Horsham 31 Jul 20 6.34am

Originally posted by Den1923

Don’t want to sound pedantic but Luka missed the Man City penalty, CB missed against Bournemouth, still never understand why he took it or why the other players allowed him to

Rachid Rachid Rachid 31 Jul 20 8.11am
Originally posted by A1969Eagle Do you remember what they said last year about Roy [Link] Do you remember what Roy said when he left England Football team? [Tweet Link] "Now is the time for someone else to oversee the progress of this young hungry and extremely talent group...." Roy you go round in circles, nothing improves.. standing still means going backwards!! Yeah - We must be the envy of the Premier League with the group of hungry and talented players we have. As for four years ago quite a few of those players have proven to be bang average and choked again when offered a bye to the World Cup final two years ago.

Rachid Rachid Rachid

31 Jul 20 8.11am

Originally posted by A1969Eagle

Do you remember what they said last year about Roy

[Link]

Do you remember what Roy said when he left England Football team?

[Tweet Link]

"Now is the time for someone else to oversee the progress of this young hungry and extremely talent group...."

Roy you go round in circles, nothing improves.. standing still means going backwards!!

Yeah - We must be the envy of the Premier League with the group of hungry and talented players we have.

As for four years ago quite a few of those players have proven to be bang average and choked again when offered a bye to the World Cup final two years ago.

Sportyteacher London 31 Jul 20 8.30am
Originally posted by Winch Eagle I think it was always a question of timing and ultimately availability of a replacement. Roy has not covered himself in glory after the re start, but it only leaves him vunerable if the club feel there is an ideal replacement out there. Historically the candidate would be English and experienced so the 2 who fit that are potentially available in Dyche and Howe. In my oppinion if the right fit is about now then we need to go with it. Why do we keep believing that the likes of Sean Dyche is going to be drawn to a less successful Premiership team like Palace? His future lies with a Top 6 team and a step up to Europe for which he had a brief taste of via Burnley a couple of seasons ago. Nearest Palace will get to Europe is weekend break via Eurostar at present.

Sportyteacher

London 31 Jul 20 8.30am

Originally posted by Winch Eagle

I think it was always a question of timing and ultimately availability of a replacement.
Roy has not covered himself in glory after the re start, but it only leaves him vunerable if the club feel there is an ideal replacement out there.
Historically the candidate would be English and experienced so the 2 who fit that are potentially available in Dyche and Howe.
In my oppinion if the right fit is about now then we need to go with it.

Why do we keep believing that the likes of Sean Dyche is going to be drawn to a less successful Premiership team like Palace? His future lies with a Top 6 team and a step up to Europe for which he had a brief taste of via Burnley a couple of seasons ago. Nearest Palace will get to Europe is weekend break via Eurostar at present.

EddieMac 31 Jul 20 9.03am
Will someone close this thread please? It is 31st of July.

EddieMac

31 Jul 20 9.03am

Will someone close this thread please? It is 31st of July.

Apollofuzz On the edge of reason 31 Jul 20 9.38am
No one said which year Originally posted by EddieMac Will someone close this thread please? It is 31st of July. I ride a GS scooter with my hair cut neat I wear my war time coat in the wind and sleet.

Apollofuzz

On the edge of reason 31 Jul 20 9.38am

No one said which year

Originally posted by EddieMac

Will someone close this thread please? It is 31st of July.

I ride a GS scooter with my hair cut neat
I wear my war time coat in the wind and sleet.

Eaglecoops CR3 31 Jul 20 9.48am
Originally posted by Apollofuzz No one said which year There you go, it's the attention to detail that is so lacking at our club!

Eaglecoops

CR3 31 Jul 20 9.48am

Originally posted by Apollofuzz

No one said which year

There you go, it's the attention to detail that is so lacking at our club!

jeeagles 31 Jul 20 10.04am
Originally posted by A1969Eagle Do you remember what they said last year about Roy [Link] Do you remember what Roy said when he left England Football team? [Tweet Link] "Now is the time for someone else to oversee the progress of this young hungry and extremely talent group...." Roy you go round in circles, nothing improves.. standing still means going backwards!! "It's been a fantastic journey" Going out in the first round of a world cup for the first time ever with 1 point from a draw against Costa Rica and losing to Iceland after drawing with Slovakia and Russia and only scraping past Wales with a last minute winner. Interest in the national team was at an all time low when he left. Southgate only really got the job because of a nationwide appathy towards the role. 2012 was a bit of a free pass due to the circumstances he was hired under, 2014 and 2016 were national embarressments.

jeeagles

31 Jul 20 10.04am

Originally posted by A1969Eagle

Do you remember what they said last year about Roy

[Link]

Do you remember what Roy said when he left England Football team?

[Tweet Link]

"Now is the time for someone else to oversee the progress of this young hungry and extremely talent group...."

Roy you go round in circles, nothing improves.. standing still means going backwards!!

"It's been a fantastic journey"

Going out in the first round of a world cup for the first time ever with 1 point from a draw against Costa Rica and losing to Iceland after drawing with Slovakia and Russia and only scraping past Wales with a last minute winner.

Interest in the national team was at an all time low when he left. Southgate only really got the job because of a nationwide appathy towards the role. 2012 was a bit of a free pass due to the circumstances he was hired under, 2014 and 2016 were national embarressments.

Eaglecoops CR3 31 Jul 20 10.19am
Originally posted by jeeagles "It's been a fantastic journey" Going out in the first round of a world cup for the first time ever with 1 point from a draw against Costa Rica and losing to Iceland after drawing with Slovakia and Russia and only scraping past Wales with a last minute winner. Interest in the national team was at an all time low when he left. Southgate only really got the job because of a nationwide appathy towards the role. 2012 was a bit of a free pass due to the circumstances he was hired under, 2014 and 2016 were national embarressments. As far as England go I think there is a simple answer to why he didn't succeed. Listen to any football pundit and they will tell you that Roy's system requires complete adherence to a specific plan which is honed by hours after hours of positional work on the training field. With an England team you do not get the opportunity to spend that much time with players and certainly not the days of specific training that he insists on. On that basis alone you will probably find that his teams were not able to implement his tactics which is why they looked so lost out on the pitch against pretty mediocre opposition. That's my take on it, I could be wrong, but those in charge should not have given him the England job if they knew how he works as a manager. You win competitions at the highest level with an inspirational manager who gets the very best out of the players you have, not with a system that you try and shoehorn the players into. Edited by Eaglecoops (31 Jul 2020 10.21am)

Eaglecoops

CR3 31 Jul 20 10.19am

Originally posted by jeeagles

"It's been a fantastic journey"

As far as England go I think there is a simple answer to why he didn't succeed. Listen to any football pundit and they will tell you that Roy's system requires complete adherence to a specific plan which is honed by hours after hours of positional work on the training field. With an England team you do not get the opportunity to spend that much time with players and certainly not the days of specific training that he insists on.

On that basis alone you will probably find that his teams were not able to implement his tactics which is why they looked so lost out on the pitch against pretty mediocre opposition.

That's my take on it, I could be wrong, but those in charge should not have given him the England job if they knew how he works as a manager.

You win competitions at the highest level with an inspirational manager who gets the very best out of the players you have, not with a system that you try and shoehorn the players into.

Edited by Eaglecoops (31 Jul 2020 10.21am)

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