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DanH SW2 10 Sep 21 10.10pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio you mean Men ? you have seen the video clips of them arriving off the ships in the 1950s ? men, men and more men. rebuild it ? is Toxteth better in 1931 or 2021 ? Oh look, you’ve done your one post again.

DanH

SW2 10 Sep 21 10.10pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

you mean Men ? you have seen the video clips of them arriving off the ships in the 1950s ? men, men and more men.

rebuild it ? is Toxteth better in 1931 or 2021 ?

Oh look, you’ve done your one post again.

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 10 Sep 21 10.15pm
ty of Originally posted by PalazioVecchio you mean Men ? you have seen the video clips of them arriving off the ships in the 1950s ? men, men and more men. rebuild it ? is Toxteth better in 1931 or 2021 ? Not so pv, in the 50"s it was people, plenty of men and women, my own folks came over from Ireland, lots of the females trained as nurses, blokes went in the building game. The west indian ladies also trained as nurses, and the blokes in London went on the underground or on the railways.

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 10 Sep 21 10.15pm

ty of

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

you mean Men ? you have seen the video clips of them arriving off the ships in the 1950s ? men, men and more men.

rebuild it ? is Toxteth better in 1931 or 2021 ?

Not so pv, in the 50"s it was people, plenty of men and women, my own folks came over from Ireland, lots of the females trained as nurses, blokes went in the building game. The west indian ladies also trained as nurses, and the blokes in London went on the underground or on the railways.

Stirlingsays 10 Sep 21 10.16pm
Originally posted by DanH Again you go on about Japan, a country you have never been to. Germany struggled but came to terms with its past, rebuilt and was all the stronger for it. Britain shies away from coming to terms with it, pretends it was all great and the fact everyone speaks English is why people want to come here - something only possible because of the empire. Then people like you feel like you’re a superior human being just for having the sheer good luck of being born here. So many planes went over your head I'm afraid the new runway at Heathrow airport just isn't going to cut it. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

10 Sep 21 10.16pm

Originally posted by DanH

Again you go on about Japan, a country you have never been to.

Germany struggled but came to terms with its past, rebuilt and was all the stronger for it. Britain shies away from coming to terms with it, pretends it was all great and the fact everyone speaks English is why people want to come here - something only possible because of the empire. Then people like you feel like you’re a superior human being just for having the sheer good luck of being born here.

So many planes went over your head I'm afraid the new runway at Heathrow airport just isn't going to cut it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

PalazioVecchio south pole 10 Sep 21 10.16pm
Originally posted by DanH Oh look, you’ve done your one post again. monotone ? i learned it from the master, Dan. but you did say 'people' which is factually erronous. Women were only a tiny percentage. so my broken record was fixing your broken record. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 10 Sep 21 10.16pm

Originally posted by DanH

Oh look, you’ve done your one post again.

monotone ? i learned it from the master, Dan.

but you did say 'people' which is factually erronous. Women were only a tiny percentage.

so my broken record was fixing your broken record.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

kuge Peckham 10 Sep 21 10.33pm
Nearly everything you say about this is wrong. If you are ignorant of the facts it is better not to procame it. The idea that Germany was rebuilt without immigration is totally false. Around 20% of the population have an immigrant background. Millions of people have come to Germany in the post-war period. The top ten countries of origin are Turkey, Poland, Syria Romania, Italy, Croatia, Bulgaria, Greece, Afghanistan and Serbia. Although Japan has had far less immigration than Germany there are large groups of Korean, Chinese, Nepali and ethnic Japanese from South America. In 2018 over 100,000 immigrants to Japan and the trend is upward. The falling birth rate over the past 30 years has resulted in a desperate shortage of labour. Without this immigration, the economy would collapse. Most low paid shop work in big cities is now taken by Chinese, Philippine, Indian and other Southeast Asian workers. Originally posted by Stirlingsays Japan's cities and infrastructure were destroyed much much much worse than the UK, Germany itself was flattened and countless died 45-47, yet both rebuilt without these child-like lies. After rebuilding and then leading Europe economically Germany has let self hate from its chattering classes rot itself from within. However, Japan stands as a firm rebuttal to this 'we needed foreigners' line. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Sep 2021 9.46pm)

kuge

Peckham 10 Sep 21 10.33pm

Nearly everything you say about this is wrong. If you are ignorant of the facts it is better not to procame it.

The idea that Germany was rebuilt without immigration is totally false. Around 20% of the population have an immigrant background. Millions of people have come to Germany in the post-war period. The top ten countries of origin are Turkey, Poland, Syria Romania, Italy, Croatia, Bulgaria, Greece, Afghanistan and Serbia.

Although Japan has had far less immigration than Germany there are large groups of Korean, Chinese, Nepali and ethnic Japanese from South America. In 2018 over 100,000 immigrants to Japan and the trend is upward. The falling birth rate over the past 30 years has resulted in a desperate shortage of labour. Without this immigration, the economy would collapse. Most low paid shop work in big cities is now taken by Chinese, Philippine, Indian and other Southeast Asian workers.

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Japan's cities and infrastructure were destroyed much much much worse than the UK, Germany itself was flattened and countless died 45-47, yet both rebuilt without these child-like lies.

After rebuilding and then leading Europe economically Germany has let self hate from its chattering classes rot itself from within.

However, Japan stands as a firm rebuttal to this 'we needed foreigners' line.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Sep 2021 9.46pm)

Stirlingsays 10 Sep 21 10.48pm
Originally posted by kuge Nearly everything you say about this is wrong. If you are ignorant of the facts it is better not to procame it. The idea that Germany was rebuilt without immigration is totally false. Around 20% of the population have an immigrant background. Millions of people have come to Germany in the post-war period. The top ten countries of origin are Turkey, Poland, Syria Romania, Italy, Croatia, Bulgaria, Greece, Afghanistan and Serbia. Although Japan has had far less immigration than Germany there are large groups of Korean, Chinese, Nepali and ethnic Japanese from South America. In 2018 over 100,000 immigrants to Japan and the trend is upward. The falling birth rate over the past 30 years has resulted in a desperate shortage of labour. Without this immigration, the economy would collapse. Most low paid shop work in big cities is now taken by Chinese, Philippine, Indian and other Southeast Asian workers. More convenient half truths and lies. Those who rebuilt Germany were not immigrants from non European countries in any significant numbers. You are lying or repeating lies through ignorance. The vast majority of those who rebuilt Germany were Germans via American money and that's just a reality. West Germany was largely rebuilt by 1953. As for Japan.....your argumentation isn't even related to the post war topic....which on its very own destroys the 'we needed foreigners' argument. As for what you actually wrote, it was as disingenuous as your Germany commentary..... Even if the 100, 000 immigrants figure is accurate it's nothing. Japan is a country of 126 million....which is pretty much high 90s Japanese. Also, most of the non East Asian immigration are on short stay worker visas and so won't be staying and that's been stated.....something else you seem to be ok with omitting. Their PM has also stated that Japan isn't going down the western route.....Even if the immigration route is accepted, it'll be from their region and not the 'global village' madness that Europe has had forced upon it. Net immigration to Japan has also been falling since 2018...something else you omitted.and when you look at the numbers as a national percent it also completely blows out your 'the economy would be ruined' nonsense. [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Sep 2021 10.56pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

10 Sep 21 10.48pm

Originally posted by kuge

Nearly everything you say about this is wrong. If you are ignorant of the facts it is better not to procame it.

More convenient half truths and lies.

Those who rebuilt Germany were not immigrants from non European countries in any significant numbers. You are lying or repeating lies through ignorance.

The vast majority of those who rebuilt Germany were Germans via American money and that's just a reality. West Germany was largely rebuilt by 1953.

As for Japan.....your argumentation isn't even related to the post war topic....which on its very own destroys the 'we needed foreigners' argument.

As for what you actually wrote, it was as disingenuous as your Germany commentary..... Even if the 100, 000 immigrants figure is accurate it's nothing. Japan is a country of 126 million....which is pretty much high 90s Japanese. Also, most of the non East Asian immigration are on short stay worker visas and so won't be staying and that's been stated.....something else you seem to be ok with omitting. Their PM has also stated that Japan isn't going down the western route.....Even if the immigration route is accepted, it'll be from their region and not the 'global village' madness that Europe has had forced upon it.

Net immigration to Japan has also been falling since 2018...something else you omitted.and when you look at the numbers as a national percent it also completely blows out your 'the economy would be ruined' nonsense.

[Link]

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Sep 2021 10.56pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

DanH SW2 10 Sep 21 10.57pm
Originally posted by kuge Nearly everything you say about this is wrong. If you are ignorant of the facts it is better not to procame it. The idea that Germany was rebuilt without immigration is totally false. Around 20% of the population have an immigrant background. Millions of people have come to Germany in the post-war period. The top ten countries of origin are Turkey, Poland, Syria Romania, Italy, Croatia, Bulgaria, Greece, Afghanistan and Serbia. Although Japan has had far less immigration than Germany there are large groups of Korean, Chinese, Nepali and ethnic Japanese from South America. In 2018 over 100,000 immigrants to Japan and the trend is upward. The falling birth rate over the past 30 years has resulted in a desperate shortage of labour. Without this immigration, the economy would collapse. Most low paid shop work in big cities is now taken by Chinese, Philippine, Indian and other Southeast Asian workers. He decides his conclusion and then cherry picks and shoehorns his ‘facts’ and ‘statistics’ in to fit his preordained conclusion. It’s a masterclass in selective analysis. For someone who used to be a teacher it’s an insane approach to try to argue a point. If I ever handed in a piece of coursework like it then it would be quite rightly sent back ungraded. Edited by DanH (10 Sep 2021 10.58pm)

DanH

SW2 10 Sep 21 10.57pm

Originally posted by kuge

Nearly everything you say about this is wrong. If you are ignorant of the facts it is better not to procame it.

He decides his conclusion and then cherry picks and shoehorns his ‘facts’ and ‘statistics’ in to fit his preordained conclusion. It’s a masterclass in selective analysis. For someone who used to be a teacher it’s an insane approach to try to argue a point. If I ever handed in a piece of coursework like it then it would be quite rightly sent back ungraded.

Edited by DanH (10 Sep 2021 10.58pm)

Stirlingsays 10 Sep 21 11.01pm
Originally posted by DanH He decides his conclusion and then cherry picks and shoehorns his ‘facts’ and ‘statistics’ in to fit his preordained conclusion. It’s a masterclass in selective analysis. For someone who used to be a teacher it’s an insane approach to try to argue a point. If I ever handed in a piece of coursework like it then it would be quite rightly sent back ungraded. Edited by DanH (10 Sep 2021 10.58pm) The reality is I do the very opposite and all of this is wishful thinking from you. Read my reply, which answers most of what he stated. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Sep 2021 11.03pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

10 Sep 21 11.01pm

Originally posted by DanH

Edited by DanH (10 Sep 2021 10.58pm)

The reality is I do the very opposite and all of this is wishful thinking from you.

Read my reply, which answers most of what he stated.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Sep 2021 11.03pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Rudi Hedman Caterham 10 Sep 21 11.21pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 No I don't my neighbours are asylum seekers from Eritrea. And I couldn't wish for better, now 6 months. You sound like Randy Crawford singing ‘Almaz’ COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 10 Sep 21 11.21pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

No I don't my neighbours are asylum seekers from Eritrea.

And I couldn't wish for better, now 6 months.

You sound like Randy Crawford singing ‘Almaz’

COYP

Rudi Hedman Caterham 10 Sep 21 11.22pm
Originally posted by Spiderman So you haven’t actually opened your house to anyone yet? Are you Lily Allen? No he’s Randy Crawford. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 10 Sep 21 11.22pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

So you haven’t actually opened your house to anyone yet? Are you Lily Allen?

No he’s Randy Crawford.

COYP

kuge Peckham 10 Sep 21 11.30pm
Very honest, you write "more convenient half-truths and lies" and then provide some lies and half-truths. Germany was rebuilt by many different people and actions. And as you say undoubtedly the major factor was massive US investment. Because of the rapid growth, there was a labour shortage and that is why people from Turkey etc were invited to come to Germany from 1950 onwards. (Around 7 million Germans had been killed in the war, roughly 9% of the population). You place an emphasis on non-European immigration. I suppose we would have to define what is Europe and what is not. Certainly, in the case of East Germany, a large amount of labour came from the USSR and Poland. Japan's post-war economic miracle ended in 1990 with the 'Bubble' economy. The causes of this collapse are multiple but a shortage of labour is one of them. Japan has been seeking to deal with this since then. A succession of increasingly poor prime ministers and administrations have brought the Japanese economy to the moribund state that prevails today. Without the immigration of the past two decades, it would be worse. You are incorrect regarding the visa status of workers now coming to Japan. It was the case that workers were only allowed to stay for short periods but that has now changed. The changes this has brought to Japan and the Japanese workforce are very positive. It is evident on every street in Tokyo and other big cities that Japan is changing rapidly into a country where non-Japanese are welcomed and accepted as a part of society. Suga and his predecessor Abe have made many statements about immigration. These are their own prejudiced views and not representative of more general views in society. One has gone and the other is going, a new generation of politicians with more liberal ideas is arriving with realistic views of how to solve japan's problems. Most recognise that immigration will have to be a part of Japan's future. Originally posted by Stirlingsays More convenient half truths and lies. Those who rebuilt Germany were not immigrants from non European countries in any significant numbers. You are lying or repeating lies through ignorance. The vast majority of those who rebuilt Germany were Germans via American money and that's just a reality. West Germany was largely rebuilt by 1953. As for Japan.....your argumentation isn't even related to the post war topic....which on its very own destroys the 'we needed foreigners' argument. As for what you actually wrote, it was as disingenuous as your Germany commentary..... Even if the 100, 000 immigrants figure is accurate it's nothing. Japan is a country of 126 million....which is pretty much high 90s Japanese. Also, most of the non East Asian immigration are on short stay worker visas and so won't be staying and that's been stated.....something else you seem to be ok with omitting. Their PM has also stated that Japan isn't going down the western route.....Even if the immigration route is accepted, it'll be from their region and not the 'global village' madness that Europe has had forced upon it. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Sep 2021 10.49pm)

kuge

Peckham 10 Sep 21 11.30pm

Very honest, you write "more convenient half-truths and lies" and then provide some lies and half-truths.

Germany was rebuilt by many different people and actions. And as you say undoubtedly the major factor was massive US investment. Because of the rapid growth, there was a labour shortage and that is why people from Turkey etc were invited to come to Germany from 1950 onwards. (Around 7 million Germans had been killed in the war, roughly 9% of the population).

You place an emphasis on non-European immigration. I suppose we would have to define what is Europe and what is not. Certainly, in the case of East Germany, a large amount of labour came from the USSR and Poland.

Japan's post-war economic miracle ended in 1990 with the 'Bubble' economy. The causes of this collapse are multiple but a shortage of labour is one of them. Japan has been seeking to deal with this since then. A succession of increasingly poor prime ministers and administrations have brought the Japanese economy to the moribund state that prevails today. Without the immigration of the past two decades, it would be worse.

You are incorrect regarding the visa status of workers now coming to Japan. It was the case that workers were only allowed to stay for short periods but that has now changed. The changes this has brought to Japan and the Japanese workforce are very positive. It is evident on every street in Tokyo and other big cities that Japan is changing rapidly into a country where non-Japanese are welcomed and accepted as a part of society.

Suga and his predecessor Abe have made many statements about immigration. These are their own prejudiced views and not representative of more general views in society. One has gone and the other is going, a new generation of politicians with more liberal ideas is arriving with realistic views of how to solve japan's problems. Most recognise that immigration will have to be a part of Japan's future.

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

More convenient half truths and lies.

Those who rebuilt Germany were not immigrants from non European countries in any significant numbers. You are lying or repeating lies through ignorance.

The vast majority of those who rebuilt Germany were Germans via American money and that's just a reality. West Germany was largely rebuilt by 1953.

As for Japan.....your argumentation isn't even related to the post war topic....which on its very own destroys the 'we needed foreigners' argument.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Sep 2021 10.49pm)

kuge Peckham 10 Sep 21 11.35pm
Who used to be a teacher? I see that just to be safe you have omitted all facts and statistics. Originally posted by DanH He decides his conclusion and then cherry picks and shoehorns his ‘facts’ and ‘statistics’ in to fit his preordained conclusion. It’s a masterclass in selective analysis. For someone who used to be a teacher it’s an insane approach to try to argue a point. If I ever handed in a piece of coursework like it then it would be quite rightly sent back ungraded. Edited by DanH (10 Sep 2021 10.58pm)

kuge

Peckham 10 Sep 21 11.35pm

Who used to be a teacher?

I see that just to be safe you have omitted all facts and statistics.

Originally posted by DanH

Edited by DanH (10 Sep 2021 10.58pm)

kuge Peckham 10 Sep 21 11.37pm
Originally posted by kuge Who used to be a teacher? Oh, ok I get it, Stirlingsays was a teacher...

kuge

Peckham 10 Sep 21 11.37pm

Originally posted by kuge

Who used to be a teacher?

Oh, ok I get it, Stirlingsays was a teacher...

PalazioVecchio south pole 10 Sep 21 11.47pm
Originally posted by croydon proud ty of Not so pv, in the 50"s it was people, plenty of men and women, my own folks came over from Ireland, lots of the females trained as nurses, blokes went in the building game. The west indian ladies also trained as nurses, and the blokes in London went on the underground or on the railways. england, ireland, scotland, wales....have been exchanging people for at least a couple thousand years. Post WWII, the game changed, the rules changed, ... First to lose its old character ? ...thornton heath.... lastly the Outer Hebrides.....and its going to happen. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 10 Sep 21 11.47pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

ty of

england, ireland, scotland, wales....have been exchanging people for at least a couple thousand years.

Post WWII, the game changed, the rules changed, ...

First to lose its old character ? ...thornton heath.... lastly the Outer Hebrides.....and its going to happen.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

DanH SW2 10 Sep 21 11.49pm
Originally posted by kuge Yeah sorry for the confusion. Your posts are factual, informative and seemingly based on some actual real life experience of Japan too.

DanH

SW2 10 Sep 21 11.49pm

Originally posted by kuge

Yeah sorry for the confusion. Your posts are factual, informative and seemingly based on some actual real life experience of Japan too.

Rudi Hedman Caterham 10 Sep 21 11.49pm
. Edited by Rudi Hedman (10 Sep 2021 11.50pm) COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 10 Sep 21 11.49pm

Edited by Rudi Hedman (10 Sep 2021 11.50pm)

COYP

Rudi Hedman Caterham 10 Sep 21 11.50pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio england, ireland, scotland, wales....have been exchanging people for at least a couple thousand years. Post WWII, the game changed, the rules changed, ... First to lose its old character ? ...thornton heath.... lastly the Outer Hebrides.....and its going to happen. I’ve seen several women in Burkas walking along the main road in caterham valley called Croydon Road. I said this was a concern after seeing one in caterham hill a couple of years ago. I’ve also seen a few in Selsdon. The usual suspects will joke about me raising this, from their residence 30+ miles from London or the M25, but this doesn’t go well as we’ve seen. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 10 Sep 21 11.50pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

england, ireland, scotland, wales....have been exchanging people for at least a couple thousand years.

Post WWII, the game changed, the rules changed, ...

First to lose its old character ? ...thornton heath.... lastly the Outer Hebrides.....and its going to happen.

I’ve seen several women in Burkas walking along the main road in caterham valley called Croydon Road. I said this was a concern after seeing one in caterham hill a couple of years ago. I’ve also seen a few in Selsdon. The usual suspects will joke about me raising this, from their residence 30+ miles from London or the M25, but this doesn’t go well as we’ve seen.

COYP

Stirlingsays 10 Sep 21 11.53pm
Originally posted by kuge Very honest, you write "more convenient half-truths and lies" and then provide some lies and half-truths. Germany was rebuilt by many different people and actions. And as you say undoubtedly the major factor was massive US investment. Because of the rapid growth, there was a labour shortage and that is why people from Turkey etc were invited to come to Germany from 1950 onwards. (Around 7 million Germans had been killed in the war, roughly 9% of the population). You place an emphasis on non-European immigration. I suppose we would have to define what is Europe and what is not. Certainly, in the case of East Germany, a large amount of labour came from the USSR and Poland. Japan's post-war economic miracle ended in 1990 with the 'Bubble' economy. The causes of this collapse are multiple but a shortage of labour is one of them. Japan has been seeking to deal with this since then. A succession of increasingly poor prime ministers and administrations have brought the Japanese economy to the moribund state that prevails today. Without the immigration of the past two decades, it would be worse. You are incorrect regarding the visa status of workers now coming to Japan. It was the case that workers were only allowed to stay for short periods but that has now changed. The changes this has brought to Japan and the Japanese workforce are very positive. It is evident on every street in Tokyo and other big cities that Japan is changing rapidly into a country where non-Japanese are welcomed and accepted as a part of society. Suga and his predecessor Abe have made many statements about immigration. These are their own prejudiced views and not representative of more general views in society. One has gone and the other is going, a new generation of politicians with more liberal ideas is arriving with realistic views of how to solve japan's problems. Most recognise that immigration will have to be a part of Japan's future. My Germany point is accurate.....the point being contested was that non European immigration was required to rebuild Britain, and I cited that this didn't happen in German nor Japan. Now if you want to deep dive into this we could do that but whether it's West or East...which had different post war histories the reality is that the vast majority of those that rebuilt Germany were Germans and those that came in were mostly European. As for your Japanese comments. I find this interesting. You say I'm incorrect over the visa status of non Japanese coming to Japan. Ok, I'd imagine the point at which this would in any practical sense resemble what's happened in Europe would be non Asians being able to easily naturalise as Japanese. So if this has happened please link me to this change so I can update my knowledge on the situation. Otherwise I think you're just being disingenuous. As for Japan's future. From what I've read on surveys on immigration I'm not aware of a desire for Japan to become a global village..Only 23 percent want more immigration and as shown in my previous link the actual net numbers are very low. So I view your comments as reflective of perhaps your own bubble rather than a general consensus in Japan. Here is an actual link showing evidence on immigration attitudes in Japan. [Link] As stated, in terms of immigration into Japan, the vast majority will be East Asian, so essentially it isn't going to change....and automation will attend to some of its birth rate issues. Ever increasing the population numbers via immigration is a pyramid scheme anyway as immigrants get old too. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Sep 2021 11.56pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

10 Sep 21 11.53pm

Originally posted by kuge

Very honest, you write "more convenient half-truths and lies" and then provide some lies and half-truths.

My Germany point is accurate.....the point being contested was that non European immigration was required to rebuild Britain, and I cited that this didn't happen in German nor Japan.

Now if you want to deep dive into this we could do that but whether it's West or East...which had different post war histories the reality is that the vast majority of those that rebuilt Germany were Germans and those that came in were mostly European.

As for your Japanese comments. I find this interesting. You say I'm incorrect over the visa status of non Japanese coming to Japan. Ok, I'd imagine the point at which this would in any practical sense resemble what's happened in Europe would be non Asians being able to easily naturalise as Japanese.

So if this has happened please link me to this change so I can update my knowledge on the situation.

Otherwise I think you're just being disingenuous.

As for Japan's future. From what I've read on surveys on immigration I'm not aware of a desire for Japan to become a global village..Only 23 percent want more immigration and as shown in my previous link the actual net numbers are very low.

So I view your comments as reflective of perhaps your own bubble rather than a general consensus in Japan.

Here is an actual link showing evidence on immigration attitudes in Japan.

[Link]

As stated, in terms of immigration into Japan, the vast majority will be East Asian, so essentially it isn't going to change....and automation will attend to some of its birth rate issues.

Ever increasing the population numbers via immigration is a pyramid scheme anyway as immigrants get old too.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Sep 2021 11.56pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 11 Sep 21 12.00am
Originally posted by DanH Yeah sorry for the confusion. Your posts are factual, informative and seemingly based on some actual real life experience of Japan too. I provided two links to actual facts in response to his points on Japan. He has provided no links to any 'facts'. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Sep 2021 12.00am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

11 Sep 21 12.00am

Originally posted by DanH

Yeah sorry for the confusion. Your posts are factual, informative and seemingly based on some actual real life experience of Japan too.

I provided two links to actual facts in response to his points on Japan.

He has provided no links to any 'facts'.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Sep 2021 12.00am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Rudi Hedman Caterham 11 Sep 21 12.00am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Ever increasing the population numbers via immigration is a pyramid scheme anyway as immigrants get old too. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Sep 2021 11.54pm) We really are creating a vicious circle for this ‘need’, as it’s called. This really p1sses me off, as we see young adults being thrown on the scrap heap or into dead end low skilled jobs. Then when there’s a shortage of certain labour from immigrants, the usual idiots moan, without a second’s thought about the people being ignored in the past and now. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 11 Sep 21 12.00am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Ever increasing the population numbers via immigration is a pyramid scheme anyway as immigrants get old too.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Sep 2021 11.54pm)

We really are creating a vicious circle for this ‘need’, as it’s called.

This really p1sses me off, as we see young adults being thrown on the scrap heap or into dead end low skilled jobs. Then when there’s a shortage of certain labour from immigrants, the usual idiots moan, without a second’s thought about the people being ignored in the past and now.

COYP

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