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Originally posted by steeleye20
'the outcome is probably good for the sport in the longer term'. We will all be looking at F1 in a completely different way now. And that's really the tragedy of this. I agree with you steeleye about how the outcome was arrived at. It was farcical and it made F1 look like an amateur production. My contention is that Hamilton and Mercedes have dominated for 8 years, including this year as Constructors, and it is refreshing to see Verstappen with Red Bull dent their armour and their arrogant attitude. A whole lot of changes next year so it'll be interesting to see how that pans out.
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max won fair and square. Lewis bottled it on the last lap. No one is going to accept any change to the results now.
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
max won fair and square. Lewis bottled it on the last lap. No one is going to accept any change to the results now. We'd say exactly the same if we were ahead for 89 minutes and the ref stopped play, gave them the ball at the edge of our area and restarted at nil nil too.
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
We'd say exactly the same if we were ahead for 89 minutes and the ref stopped play, gave them the ball at the edge of our area and restarted at nil nil too. That's what happens under the Safety Car. You lose all the time advantage over your pursuers. $hlt happens
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Originally posted by Plumpton eagle
That's what happens under the Safety Car. You lose all the time advantage over your pursuers. $hlt happens ---------------------- It's going to be hard to make any point as eloquently as this but here goes. The trouble is that's not what always happens. Here is a quote from the BBC F1 website: "In 2020, there was a safety-car period during the Eifel Grand Prix at the Nurburgring. Both Hamilton and Verstappen complained it had been unnecessarily long. Masi was asked about this after the race. He said: "There's a requirement in the sporting regulations to wave all the lapped cars past." Masi acted completely differently last weekend. It seems to me that he made a conscious decision to "even" the race up. Hamilton had used up valuable time getting past the 4 lapped cars between him and Verstappen. They were simply removed from Verstappens way without any time cost to him. There was still a lapped car between Verstappen and Sainz in 3rd place which was not waved through. This hampered Sainz in any attempt he might have made to catch Verstappen. A clear indication of the way the drivers were treated differently and again a total contracdiction of Masi's own explanation of safety car rules. By his own admission, all lapped cars should have been waved though. This would probably have meant the race finished under the safety car. Not ideal of course but just because you don't like the outcome of applying the rules, you can't change them on the fly. I get why people may not like Hamilton but "sh1t happens" is a lame excuse for the way that he was clearly and unfairly disadvantaged by the Race Director. The evidence is there in Masi's own words. If F1 wants to continue to claim that it is a sport then it needs to apply it's own rules fairly and consistently. They can't rerun the race but maybe could admit their error and declare that in these unprecedented circumstances it is a shared championship for this season. Both drivers are worthy champions - why not let them share it for this year? That would also set up next year really well. Seems like a win win to me.
A shared title sounds like a really good idea. I dont think too many would complain about that. 😊😊😊
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
max won fair and square. Lewis bottled it on the last lap. No one is going to accept any change to the results now. Crashstappen won it because moaning Minnie Horner pressured Masi to change the rules
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Lewis Hamilton has conducted himself with much integrity during this farce. I don't suppose there's much that can be done but it's a bit of a body blow.
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Arise SIR Lewis Hamilton . . .
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resident of the tax-haven of Monaco,..
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Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer
I agree with you steeleye about how the outcome was arrived at. It was farcical and it made F1 look like an amateur production. My contention is that Hamilton and Mercedes have dominated for 8 years, including this year as Constructors, and it is refreshing to see Verstappen with Red Bull dent their armour and their arrogant attitude. A whole lot of changes next year so it'll be interesting to see how that pans out. So it's ok to 'fix' the rules when it's the underdog? Just so that we get a different winner? That is what you are saying. A win is a win, as long as it fits the agenda. The problem with that is that, sometimes the rules get changed against you, and you then have no defense. Like the advantage not given to Palace in the FA Cup final. But I doubt that you agreed with that change in the rules. But I assume you know that. You ain't stupid.
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
resident of the tax-haven of Monaco,.. This is just a dumb answer. Where does he earn his money?
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
max won fair and square. Lewis bottled it on the last lap. No one is going to accept any change to the results now. The result will not be changed as we all now know - but your fair and square comment shows an inability to understand the rules of F1.
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