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Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 14 Dec 21 2.55pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

'the outcome is probably good for the sport in the longer term'.

Definitely not POG.

We will all be looking at F1 in a completely different way now.

And that's really the tragedy of this.

I agree with you steeleye about how the outcome was arrived at. It was farcical and it made F1 look like an amateur production.

My contention is that Hamilton and Mercedes have dominated for 8 years, including this year as Constructors, and it is refreshing to see Verstappen with Red Bull dent their armour and their arrogant attitude.

A whole lot of changes next year so it'll be interesting to see how that pans out.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 14 Dec 21 3.44pm

To reset F1 again and repair the damage?

Max and Lewis to share the championship, the race null and void.

Masi removed forthwith.

A full review of the rules with independent audit before next season.

 

Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 14 Dec 21 4.02pm

max won fair and square. Lewis bottled it on the last lap.

No one is going to accept any change to the results now.

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 14 Dec 21 4.24pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

max won fair and square. Lewis bottled it on the last lap.

No one is going to accept any change to the results now.

We'd say exactly the same if we were ahead for 89 minutes and the ref stopped play, gave them the ball at the edge of our area and restarted at nil nil too.

 


Red and Blue Army!

Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 14 Dec 21 5.11pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

We'd say exactly the same if we were ahead for 89 minutes and the ref stopped play, gave them the ball at the edge of our area and restarted at nil nil too.

That's what happens under the Safety Car. You lose all the time advantage over your pursuers. $hlt happens

 


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Plumpton eagle Flag East Sussex 14 Dec 21 6.36pm

That's what happens under the Safety Car. You lose all the time advantage over your pursuers. $hlt happens

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It's going to be hard to make any point as eloquently as this but here goes.

The trouble is that's not what always happens. Here is a quote from the BBC F1 website:

"In 2020, there was a safety-car period during the Eifel Grand Prix at the Nurburgring. Both Hamilton and Verstappen complained it had been unnecessarily long.

Masi was asked about this after the race. He said: "There's a requirement in the sporting regulations to wave all the lapped cars past."

Masi acted completely differently last weekend. It seems to me that he made a conscious decision to "even" the race up. Hamilton had used up valuable time getting past the 4 lapped cars between him and Verstappen. They were simply removed from Verstappens way without any time cost to him.

There was still a lapped car between Verstappen and Sainz in 3rd place which was not waved through. This hampered Sainz in any attempt he might have made to catch Verstappen. A clear indication of the way the drivers were treated differently and again a total contracdiction of Masi's own explanation of safety car rules.

By his own admission, all lapped cars should have been waved though. This would probably have meant the race finished under the safety car. Not ideal of course but just because you don't like the outcome of applying the rules, you can't change them on the fly.

I get why people may not like Hamilton but "sh1t happens" is a lame excuse for the way that he was clearly and unfairly disadvantaged by the Race Director. The evidence is there in Masi's own words.

If F1 wants to continue to claim that it is a sport then it needs to apply it's own rules fairly and consistently.

They can't rerun the race but maybe could admit their error and declare that in these unprecedented circumstances it is a shared championship for this season. Both drivers are worthy champions - why not let them share it for this year? That would also set up next year really well. Seems like a win win to me.

 

sitdownstandup Flag 14 Dec 21 7.56pm

Originally posted by Plumpton eagle

That's what happens under the Safety Car. You lose all the time advantage over your pursuers. $hlt happens

----------------------

It's going to be hard to make any point as eloquently as this but here goes.

The trouble is that's not what always happens. Here is a quote from the BBC F1 website:

"In 2020, there was a safety-car period during the Eifel Grand Prix at the Nurburgring. Both Hamilton and Verstappen complained it had been unnecessarily long.

Masi was asked about this after the race. He said: "There's a requirement in the sporting regulations to wave all the lapped cars past."

Masi acted completely differently last weekend. It seems to me that he made a conscious decision to "even" the race up. Hamilton had used up valuable time getting past the 4 lapped cars between him and Verstappen. They were simply removed from Verstappens way without any time cost to him.

There was still a lapped car between Verstappen and Sainz in 3rd place which was not waved through. This hampered Sainz in any attempt he might have made to catch Verstappen. A clear indication of the way the drivers were treated differently and again a total contracdiction of Masi's own explanation of safety car rules.

By his own admission, all lapped cars should have been waved though. This would probably have meant the race finished under the safety car. Not ideal of course but just because you don't like the outcome of applying the rules, you can't change them on the fly.

I get why people may not like Hamilton but "sh1t happens" is a lame excuse for the way that he was clearly and unfairly disadvantaged by the Race Director. The evidence is there in Masi's own words.

If F1 wants to continue to claim that it is a sport then it needs to apply it's own rules fairly and consistently.

They can't rerun the race but maybe could admit their error and declare that in these unprecedented circumstances it is a shared championship for this season. Both drivers are worthy champions - why not let them share it for this year? That would also set up next year really well. Seems like a win win to me.

A shared title sounds like a really good idea. I dont think too many would complain about that. &#128522;&#128522;&#128522;

 


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55 years a fan Flag 14 Dec 21 8.31pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

max won fair and square. Lewis bottled it on the last lap.

No one is going to accept any change to the results now.

Crashstappen won it because moaning Minnie Horner pressured Masi to change the rules


Edited by 55 years a fan (14 Dec 2021 8.37pm)

 

BlueJay Flag UK 15 Dec 21 12.10am

Lewis Hamilton has conducted himself with much integrity during this farce. I don't suppose there's much that can be done but it's a bit of a body blow.

 

eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 15 Dec 21 12.45pm

Arise SIR Lewis Hamilton . . .

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This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 15 Dec 21 1.31pm

Originally posted by eagleman13

Arise SIR Lewis Hamilton . . .

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resident of the tax-haven of Monaco,..

 


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Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 16 Dec 21 2.04am

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

I agree with you steeleye about how the outcome was arrived at. It was farcical and it made F1 look like an amateur production.

My contention is that Hamilton and Mercedes have dominated for 8 years, including this year as Constructors, and it is refreshing to see Verstappen with Red Bull dent their armour and their arrogant attitude.

A whole lot of changes next year so it'll be interesting to see how that pans out.

So it's ok to 'fix' the rules when it's the underdog? Just so that we get a different winner? That is what you are saying.

A win is a win, as long as it fits the agenda.

The problem with that is that, sometimes the rules get changed against you, and you then have no defense. Like the advantage not given to Palace in the FA Cup final. But I doubt that you agreed with that change in the rules. But I assume you know that. You ain't stupid.

 


Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 16 Dec 21 2.06am

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

resident of the tax-haven of Monaco,..

This is just a dumb answer. Where does he earn his money?

 


Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

The Dolphin Flag 16 Dec 21 4.52pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

max won fair and square. Lewis bottled it on the last lap.

No one is going to accept any change to the results now.

The result will not be changed as we all now know - but your fair and square comment shows an inability to understand the rules of F1.
I am not a Hamilton lover but last Sunday was a disgrace and fair and square is absolutely not the right answer.
As it happens - "Lewis bottled it" you say - he nearly had Verstappen but his tyres were wrecked and it just wasn't possible.
Verstappen is a great driver but he was given that title on a plate and so his first championship is tarnished.
The referee - Massi in this case - should not be the centre of attention - it is about the competitors and not him but everyone is still talking about him and that is a shame.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 16 Dec 21 6.33pm

F1 not convincing anybody.

F1 for everybody, is an immense money-pit.

For motor racing you need a guide to bankruptcy.

Credit to those teams who must be racing entirely out of love as it is unlikely they will win anything.

And now this I think there will be withdrawals.

And Lewis?

He has achieved mote than anyone before, quit while you are ahead imo.

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