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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 12 Nov 17 3.32pm
Originally posted by legaleagle Inane. Fascists were and remain evil scum,as do their fellow travellers. Fascists in Germany were German. Ergo all Germans are responsible for Nazism and needed to be treated like fascists?....er,no. Not all fascists in Germany were Germans. Hitler wasn't! "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Croydon 12 Nov 17 3.32pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

Inane.

Fascists were and remain evil scum,as do their fellow travellers.

Fascists in Germany were German.

Ergo all Germans are responsible for Nazism and needed to be treated like fascists?....er,no.

Not all fascists in Germany were Germans.

Hitler wasn't!

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Kermit8 Hevon 12 Nov 17 3.35pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 If they are proper communists then they have cold hearts and dark natures. Certainly the Islamic terrorists fit the bill don't they. What you and legal are really saying is that when extreme groups carry out awful acts, the characterisation of them as 'evil and 'scum' depends on whether you approve or disapprove of their ideologies. Edited by hedgehog50 (12 Nov 2017 3.21pm) Not at all. It just's need qualifying. Leading Communists in Russia especially Stalin were heartless evil scum but communists in Kerala?.....nah, they have been generally good for the locals and didn't kill but made sure they were learned and could read and write. So, when you say Communists per se are evil you are plainly wrong. Some communists are/were and some not. Fascists/Nazis however.... Edited by Kermit8 (12 Nov 2017 3.36pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 12 Nov 17 3.35pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

If they are proper communists then they have cold hearts and dark natures. Certainly the Islamic terrorists fit the bill don't they. What you and legal are really saying is that when extreme groups carry out awful acts, the characterisation of them as 'evil and 'scum' depends on whether you approve or disapprove of their ideologies.

Edited by hedgehog50 (12 Nov 2017 3.21pm)

Not at all. It just's need qualifying. Leading Communists in Russia especially Stalin were heartless evil scum but communists in Kerala?.....nah, they have been generally good for the locals and didn't kill but made sure they were learned and could read and write.

So, when you say Communists per se are evil you are plainly wrong. Some communists are/were and some not. Fascists/Nazis however....

Edited by Kermit8 (12 Nov 2017 3.36pm)

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hedgehog50 Croydon 12 Nov 17 4.08pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Not at all. It just's need qualifying. Leading Communists in Russia especially Stalin were heartless evil scum but communists in Kerala?.....nah, they have been generally good for the locals and didn't kill but made sure they were learned and could read and write. So, when you say Communists per se are evil you are plainly wrong. Some communists are/were and some not. Fascists/Nazis however.... Edited by Kermit8 (12 Nov 2017 3.36pm) Well then they are not doing communism correctly. I expect we can find some cases of Fascists doing some nice things if we try. The point is, both communism and fascism are totalitarian creeds that brook no opposition and have led to many millions of deaths. The left though still cling to this idea that communism is not as bad as fascism because the fascists were more or less open about their policies and methods whereas the communists pretending it was all done for a greater cause - the fascists were actually more honest. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 12 Nov 17 4.08pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

So, when you say Communists per se are evil you are plainly wrong. Some communists are/were and some not. Fascists/Nazis however....

Edited by Kermit8 (12 Nov 2017 3.36pm)

Well then they are not doing communism correctly. I expect we can find some cases of Fascists doing some nice things if we try. The point is, both communism and fascism are totalitarian creeds that brook no opposition and have led to many millions of deaths. The left though still cling to this idea that communism is not as bad as fascism because the fascists were more or less open about their policies and methods whereas the communists pretending it was all done for a greater cause - the fascists were actually more honest.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Kermit8 Hevon 12 Nov 17 4.15pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 Well then they are not doing communism correctly. I expect we can find some cases of Fascists doing some nice things if we try. The point is, both communism and fascism are totalitarian creeds that brook no opposition and have led to many millions of deaths. The left though still cling to this idea that communism is not as bad as fascism because the fascists were more or less open about their policies and methods whereas the communists pretending it was all done for a greater cause - the fascists were actually more honest. I am not sure the mothers of the disappeared in numerous South American countries would entirely agree with that. Has any country ever done communism correctly? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 12 Nov 17 4.15pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Well then they are not doing communism correctly. I expect we can find some cases of Fascists doing some nice things if we try. The point is, both communism and fascism are totalitarian creeds that brook no opposition and have led to many millions of deaths. The left though still cling to this idea that communism is not as bad as fascism because the fascists were more or less open about their policies and methods whereas the communists pretending it was all done for a greater cause - the fascists were actually more honest.

I am not sure the mothers of the disappeared in numerous South American countries would entirely agree with that.

Has any country ever done communism correctly?

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hedgehog50 Croydon 12 Nov 17 4.19pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 I am not sure the mothers of the disappeared in numerous South American countries would entirely agree with that. Has any country ever done communism correctly? Well plenty of countries have tried to implement communist economies and ways of running things and it doesn't really work does it. Why do you think they have to build walls and barbed wire fences around communist countries to stop all the people trying to flee from communism? We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 12 Nov 17 4.19pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

I am not sure the mothers of the disappeared in numerous South American countries would entirely agree with that.

Has any country ever done communism correctly?

Well plenty of countries have tried to implement communist economies and ways of running things and it doesn't really work does it. Why do you think they have to build walls and barbed wire fences around communist countries to stop all the people trying to flee from communism?

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Stirlingsays 12 Nov 17 5.47pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 I am not sure the mothers of the disappeared in numerous South American countries would entirely agree with that. Has any country ever done communism correctly? What form of communism are you saying is correct? It's an authoritarian system of government......The only example you point to is a complete failure compared to democratic western countries. Communism has been tried many times in different countries. It has never succeeded. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Nov 2017 5.49pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Nov 17 5.47pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

I am not sure the mothers of the disappeared in numerous South American countries would entirely agree with that.

Has any country ever done communism correctly?

What form of communism are you saying is correct? It's an authoritarian system of government......The only example you point to is a complete failure compared to democratic western countries.

Communism has been tried many times in different countries. It has never succeeded.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Nov 2017 5.49pm)

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Park Road 12 Nov 17 5.48pm
Even in a small way on here, and aslo, on footballing forumss all over the country, the FLA has incited debate, some radical views for and against the movement, as well as the usual left v right perspectives. The FLA has always stated promoted middle of the road agenda. To generate so much interest without the help of main stream media just shows how strong the movement is. There will be a third march in 2018. Attended by as before people from all walks of life, wanting a better future. Together we are stronger. Edited by Park Road (12 Nov 2017 5.52pm)
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12 Nov 17 5.48pm

Even in a small way on here, and aslo, on footballing forumss all over the country, the FLA has incited debate, some radical views for and against the movement, as well as the usual left v right perspectives.
The FLA has always stated promoted middle of the road agenda.
To generate so much interest without the help of main stream media just shows how strong the movement is.

There will be a third march in 2018.
Attended by as before people from all walks of life, wanting a better future.

Together we are stronger.

Edited by Park Road (12 Nov 2017 5.52pm)

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elgrande bedford 12 Nov 17 6.14pm
Originally posted by legaleagle Inane. Fascists were and remain evil scum,as do their fellow travellers. Fascists in Germany were German. Ergo all Germans are responsible for Nazism and needed to be treated like fascists?....er,no. So are muslim terrorists. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 12 Nov 17 6.14pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

Inane.

Fascists were and remain evil scum,as do their fellow travellers.

Fascists in Germany were German.

Ergo all Germans are responsible for Nazism and needed to be treated like fascists?....er,no.

So are muslim terrorists.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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legaleagle 12 Nov 17 6.48pm
Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle Not all fascists in Germany were Germans. Hitler wasn't!
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12 Nov 17 6.48pm

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Not all fascists in Germany were Germans.

Hitler wasn't!

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legaleagle 12 Nov 17 6.53pm
Originally posted by danny choo choo And to say the nationalist right wing is a problem across europe is ridiculous,its no coincidence there's an uprising of likeminded people because we've all had enough of our countries losing there identies Edited by danny choo choo (12 Nov 2017 2.25am) Above,the FLA line ...Below the reality... "An estimated 60,000 nationalists marched in Warsaw to celebrate Poland's 99 years of independence on Saturday. While many simply waved Polish flags, some demonstrators threw red smoke bombs and carried signs with slogans like, "Europe must be white," "white Europe of brotherly nations," and "pray for an Islamic Holocaust." They shouted chants including, "glory to our heroes," "pure Poland, white Poland, "refugees get out," and "death to enemies of the homeland." Among the marchers were supporters of Poland's governing party, Law and Justice (PiS). Interior Minister Mariusz Blaszczak downplayed the racist elements in comments praising the "beautiful sight" of Poles celebrating independence." What a charmer he is. Edited by legaleagle (12 Nov 2017 6.56pm)
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12 Nov 17 6.53pm

Originally posted by danny choo choo

And to say the nationalist right wing is a problem across europe is ridiculous,its no coincidence there's an uprising of likeminded people because we've all had enough of our countries losing there identies

Edited by danny choo choo (12 Nov 2017 2.25am)

Above,the FLA line ...Below the reality...

"An estimated 60,000 nationalists marched in Warsaw to celebrate Poland's 99 years of independence on Saturday.

While many simply waved Polish flags, some demonstrators threw red smoke bombs and carried signs with slogans like, "Europe must be white," "white Europe of brotherly nations," and "pray for an Islamic Holocaust." They shouted chants including, "glory to our heroes," "pure Poland, white Poland, "refugees get out," and "death to enemies of the homeland."

Among the marchers were supporters of Poland's governing party, Law and Justice (PiS). Interior Minister Mariusz Blaszczak downplayed the racist elements in comments praising the "beautiful sight" of Poles celebrating independence."

What a charmer he is.

Edited by legaleagle (12 Nov 2017 6.56pm)

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hedgehog50 Croydon 12 Nov 17 7.01pm
Originally posted by legaleagle Above,the FLA line ...Below the reality... "An estimated 60,000 nationalists marched in Warsaw to celebrate Poland's 99 years of independence on Saturday. While many simply waved Polish flags, some demonstrators threw red smoke bombs and carried signs with slogans like, "Europe must be white," "white Europe of brotherly nations," and "pray for an Islamic Holocaust." They shouted chants including, "glory to our heroes," "pure Poland, white Poland, "refugees get out," and "death to enemies of the homeland." Among the marchers were supporters of Poland's governing party, Law and Justice (PiS). Interior Minister Mariusz Blaszczak downplayed the racist elements in comments praising the "beautiful sight" of Poles celebrating independence." What a charmer he is. Edited by legaleagle (12 Nov 2017 6.56pm) Oh dear, will the EU be giving them 100 lines to write out? We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 12 Nov 17 7.01pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

Above,the FLA line ...Below the reality...

"An estimated 60,000 nationalists marched in Warsaw to celebrate Poland's 99 years of independence on Saturday.

What a charmer he is.

Edited by legaleagle (12 Nov 2017 6.56pm)

Oh dear, will the EU be giving them 100 lines to write out?

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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Hrolf The Ganger 12 Nov 17 7.12pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 I am not sure the mothers of the disappeared in numerous South American countries would entirely agree with that. Has any country ever done communism correctly? And there lies the problem with some on the left. They fail to realise that communism cannot be done properly. Communism is government by the people for the people and in reality that will never happen. A hierarchy always develops by consent or by force. That is reality. Communism, fascism or any other form of government is exactly the same in that respect.
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12 Nov 17 7.12pm

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Originally posted by Kermit8

I am not sure the mothers of the disappeared in numerous South American countries would entirely agree with that.

Has any country ever done communism correctly?

And there lies the problem with some on the left.

They fail to realise that communism cannot be done properly. Communism is government by the people for the people and in reality that will never happen. A hierarchy always develops by consent or by force. That is reality. Communism, fascism or any other form of government is exactly the same in that respect.

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