In the week WHO finally admit lockdowns cause more damage than good, as a country we move towards lockdowns masquerading as a tiered system.

The first one was excusable as we all copied China's approach (which was a deviation from any pre 2020 pandemic response) in desperate hope it would work. Now we have evidence that peak was before lockdown anyway combined with WHO saying lockdown is last resort, what we are doing now is inexcusable.

Locking down healthy people, ruining economies and causing a spike in cancer and other non-covid deaths is a disgrace. NHS Data still suggests excess deaths is "not statistically significant" for last few weeks in their own words. We have heard people say "but in 2 weeks it'll be dreadful" for about 12 weeks now so please don't say that either.

COVID is real, and it needs managing but lockdowns are not the method. Encourage via guidelines (not law) social distancing, hand washing and vulnerable people staying in (if they want to) and that is enough.

Edited by cardiff eagle (15 Oct 2020 9.13pm)

This [Link] is a look at past death rates in Europe. Almost every year since these records began, we have alternate good or bad years of excess death (there are occasional exceptions, but few). The average excess number of deaths is a calculation of five consecutive years. So, neither bad or good years are shown. It shows that C-19, while being real, is not really as bad as many think. Yes, it is a terrible virus, but not cause to shut down the world. It peaked already. Second waves have never happened in the past. Ever. If you disagree with that, post a link to real numbers and statistics. What is being experienced is the general increase of illness at this time of the year. Common colds and the like. It happens every year. If you don't believe the graphs posted, find some to disprove this trend. Don't just come here and say "the rest of the world can't be wrong". Show me facts. Not what is reported, facts.

The real problem is that too much of western society won’t accept more than normal levels of death and illness. We’ve been sheltered from this for so long that people think things like this never happen or should happen here. Lots of people probably never know what happens elsewhere in the world so have no idea of the experiences elsewhere. In that context we’re getting off quite lightly if we spread it over 4 generations since or WWII, or just one generation arguably.

It isn’t even profits now. It’s keeping businesses alive. Depends on what kind of world or country and life we want after this. The fact you never get an answer to the ‘vaccine when?’ question just speaks volumes as usual, only it isn’t just left wing now and some left wing are in the save the country and economy side, especially young adults funnily enough. Suddenly their views have changed. Who’d have thought they’d ever be about personal responsibility or just freedom and conserving the economy?

Really? I thought it was due to appalling hygiene in Chinese markets but I guess it’s easier to ignore this.

The West is assuming that, but China has only 6,000 deaths in a population of 1.4 billion.

America has over 2,000 deaths and lax food regulation, particularly meat production.

But I would say in any system they do anything for money, that is why we need a very stringent food regulation system.