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Badger11 Beckenham 15 Nov 18 8.06am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol these are the people you prefer over the EU Actually no I don't. However unlike the EU commission I can vote to get rid of the shower that currently runs the country. Granted at the moment I do not see an option I prefer but as Mr Wilson said a week is a long time in politics so hopefully a white knight will come along (sorry a multicultural, gender neutral leader that we can all celebrate). If not I might have to stand myself. Edited by Badger11 (15 Nov 2018 8.07am) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 15 Nov 18 8.06am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

these are the people you prefer over the EU

Actually no I don't. However unlike the EU commission I can vote to get rid of the shower that currently runs the country. Granted at the moment I do not see an option I prefer but as Mr Wilson said a week is a long time in politics so hopefully a white knight will come along (sorry a multicultural, gender neutral leader that we can all celebrate).

If not I might have to stand myself.

Edited by Badger11 (15 Nov 2018 8.07am)

One more point

Pussay Patrol 15 Nov 18 8.36am
Originally posted by Badger11 Actually no I don't. However unlike the EU commission I can vote to get rid of the shower that currently runs the country. Granted at the moment I do not see an option I prefer but as Mr Wilson said a week is a long time in politics so hopefully a white knight will come along (sorry a multicultural, gender neutral leader that we can all celebrate). If not I might have to stand myself. Edited by Badger11 (15 Nov 2018 8.07am) But you can't, that's my point, that's why you have these people in the first place When you vote at a general election we basically only decide how much sharing of power there is between the 2 main parties, the idea you can just 'vote them out' is complete poppycock Who votes for public school elites to lead us? No one! To have more of a truer democracy you wish for we'd need proportional representation and ironically we voted against that!! Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

15 Nov 18 8.36am

Originally posted by Badger11

If not I might have to stand myself.

Edited by Badger11 (15 Nov 2018 8.07am)

But you can't, that's my point, that's why you have these people in the first place

When you vote at a general election we basically only decide how much sharing of power there is between the 2 main parties, the idea you can just 'vote them out' is complete poppycock

Who votes for public school elites to lead us? No one!

To have more of a truer democracy you wish for we'd need proportional representation and ironically we voted against that!!

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Badger11 Beckenham 15 Nov 18 8.59am
Dominic Raab has resigned. To lose one Brexit Secretary is unfortunate to lose two... One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 15 Nov 18 8.59am

Dominic Raab has resigned.

To lose one Brexit Secretary is unfortunate to lose two...

One more point

Stirlingsays 15 Nov 18 9.09am
Sorry PP....what was that you were saying about Raab being a Brexiter supporting May? Like I said, May's Brexit....or non Brexit and Raab's the patsy. Stick around, you might learn something. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2018 9.10am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

15 Nov 18 9.09am

Sorry PP....what was that you were saying about Raab being a Brexiter supporting May?

Like I said, May's Brexit....or non Brexit and Raab's the patsy.

Stick around, you might learn something.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2018 9.10am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays 15 Nov 18 9.12am
Originally posted by DanH What are his solutions then? Reading through some of the details this deal seems as sensible as it was going to get in a lot of areas. I think his solution is so far away from what this government has negotiated that it represents a 'no deal'. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

15 Nov 18 9.12am

Originally posted by DanH

What are his solutions then?

Reading through some of the details this deal seems as sensible as it was going to get in a lot of areas.

I think his solution is so far away from what this government has negotiated that it represents a 'no deal'.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

steeleye20 Croydon 15 Nov 18 9.15am
Originally posted by Badger11 Actually no I don't. However unlike the EU commission I can vote to get rid of the shower that currently runs the country. Granted at the moment I do not see an option I prefer but as Mr Wilson said a week is a long time in politics so hopefully a white knight will come along (sorry a multicultural, gender neutral leader that we can all celebrate). If not I might have to stand myself. Edited by Badger11 (15 Nov 2018 8.07am) That is not correct, the EU parliament can dismiss the EU commission on a vote of no confidence. A blow for May with that resignation, but really is power with parliament or the PM. I think the latter.

steeleye20

Croydon 15 Nov 18 9.15am

Originally posted by Badger11

If not I might have to stand myself.

Edited by Badger11 (15 Nov 2018 8.07am)

That is not correct, the EU parliament can dismiss the
EU commission on a vote of no confidence.

A blow for May with that resignation, but really is power with parliament or the PM.

I think the latter.

Stirlingsays 15 Nov 18 9.23am
Originally posted by steeleye20 That is not correct, the EU parliament can dismiss the EU commission on a vote of no confidence. A blow for May with that resignation, but really is power with parliament or the PM. I think the latter. Is it a bit early for you Steely? He said he can't vote out the commission. That's nothing to do with the parliament....the commission are protected from what the peoples of Europe think of them. The idea that the lackeys swimming in the gravy train would vote out the commission is about as realistic as you typing something sensible up. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

15 Nov 18 9.23am

Originally posted by steeleye20

That is not correct, the EU parliament can dismiss the
EU commission on a vote of no confidence.

A blow for May with that resignation, but really is power with parliament or the PM.

I think the latter.

Is it a bit early for you Steely? He said he can't vote out the commission. That's nothing to do with the parliament....the commission are protected from what the peoples of Europe think of them.

The idea that the lackeys swimming in the gravy train would vote out the commission is about as realistic as you typing something sensible up.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

DanH SW2 15 Nov 18 9.33am
The sh*tshow rolls on. I feel like the only sober one at a party where everyone is still fumbling around for another drink when the sun came up long ago.

DanH

SW2 15 Nov 18 9.33am

The sh*tshow rolls on. I feel like the only sober one at a party where everyone is still fumbling around for another drink when the sun came up long ago.

steeleye20 Croydon 15 Nov 18 9.44am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Is it a bit early for you Steely? He said he can't vote out the commission. That's nothing to do with the parliament....the commission are protected from what the peoples of Europe think of them. The idea that the lackeys swimming in the gravy train would vote out the commission is about as realistic as you typing something sensible up. 'He said he can't vote out the commission' How amazing, Badger cannot vote out the commission. A failing of democracy.

steeleye20

Croydon 15 Nov 18 9.44am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Is it a bit early for you Steely? He said he can't vote out the commission. That's nothing to do with the parliament....the commission are protected from what the peoples of Europe think of them.

The idea that the lackeys swimming in the gravy train would vote out the commission is about as realistic as you typing something sensible up.

'He said he can't vote out the commission'

How amazing, Badger cannot vote out the commission.

A failing of democracy.

Pussay Patrol 15 Nov 18 9.47am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Sorry PP....what was that you were saying about Raab being a Brexiter supporting May? Like I said, May's Brexit....or non Brexit and Raab's the patsy. Stick around, you might learn something. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2018 9.10am) I wasn't saying, the facts were saying Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

15 Nov 18 9.47am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Sorry PP....what was that you were saying about Raab being a Brexiter supporting May?

Like I said, May's Brexit....or non Brexit and Raab's the patsy.

Stick around, you might learn something.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2018 9.10am)

I wasn't saying, the facts were saying

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

silvertop Portishead 15 Nov 18 9.48am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Sorry PP....what was that you were saying about Raab being a Brexiter supporting May? Like I said, May's Brexit....or non Brexit and Raab's the patsy. Stick around, you might learn something. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2018 9.10am) He's fallen softly. When May falls it will be with a thunderous thud from which she will never recover. Sure she made mistakes. I have no idea what they were, precisely, but one thing is certain: to take the perfect path is impossible. Near history will vilify her as people with their own nests to line queue up to attack her. Longer history will show a woman who remained in power against all the odds, doggedly fought the media, the opposition, the EU and her own party with few loyal supporters. And yet... Brexiteers were warned this would happen, that there would be a fudge. And they were warned in plain English. It was attacked as "Project Fear". Thus, is it fair to blame the person who produced the inevitable fudge. Somebody was on the radio last night. He actually said that the deal is a rotten one; and the fault is putting a remainer in charge who, consequently, prosecuted the task with little enthusiasm and with the view to retaining the parts of the EU she liked. Honestly! It didn't take long before Brexiteers blamed Remainers for the mess. Not, of course, the leave vote. Or indeed the Herculean task of passing a deal where the UK is in a 1 -v- 27 battle in Europe; where Brexiteers are in a 1 -v- 6 battle in Parliament (and even worse odds in the Lords); where the country itself hovers from bare majority leave to bare majority stay; and where Brexiteers themselves are fiercely divided as to exactly what they want from any deal. I am confident a deal will be struck. Big money simply won't allow the catastrophic consequences of failure. We will leave the EU. There will be a certain and predictable exit. And matters will eventally settle to a new equilibrium after initial economic hardship. And then someone will write a nice book about Theresa May and the BBC will commission a 6-part sympathetic series about her premiership. But before all that...

silvertop

Portishead 15 Nov 18 9.48am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Sorry PP....what was that you were saying about Raab being a Brexiter supporting May?

Like I said, May's Brexit....or non Brexit and Raab's the patsy.

Stick around, you might learn something.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2018 9.10am)

He's fallen softly. When May falls it will be with a thunderous thud from which she will never recover.

Sure she made mistakes. I have no idea what they were, precisely, but one thing is certain: to take the perfect path is impossible. Near history will vilify her as people with their own nests to line queue up to attack her. Longer history will show a woman who remained in power against all the odds, doggedly fought the media, the opposition, the EU and her own party with few loyal supporters. And yet...

Brexiteers were warned this would happen, that there would be a fudge. And they were warned in plain English. It was attacked as "Project Fear". Thus, is it fair to blame the person who produced the inevitable fudge.

Somebody was on the radio last night. He actually said that the deal is a rotten one; and the fault is putting a remainer in charge who, consequently, prosecuted the task with little enthusiasm and with the view to retaining the parts of the EU she liked. Honestly!

It didn't take long before Brexiteers blamed Remainers for the mess. Not, of course, the leave vote. Or indeed the Herculean task of passing a deal where the UK is in a 1 -v- 27 battle in Europe; where Brexiteers are in a 1 -v- 6 battle in Parliament (and even worse odds in the Lords); where the country itself hovers from bare majority leave to bare majority stay; and where Brexiteers themselves are fiercely divided as to exactly what they want from any deal.

I am confident a deal will be struck. Big money simply won't allow the catastrophic consequences of failure. We will leave the EU. There will be a certain and predictable exit. And matters will eventally settle to a new equilibrium after initial economic hardship. And then someone will write a nice book about Theresa May and the BBC will commission a 6-part sympathetic series about her premiership.

But before all that...

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Nov 18 9.49am
I wholeheartedly oppose the draft agreement with the EU and I post this as a fervent supporter of the Conservative Party who has served on committees,articulated at a CPF and campaigned vigorously in elections both local and general for many years.I have walked the streets in all weathers delivering leaflets,canvassing opinion and played an active part on election days.I have worn my rosette with pride at all times. My views wholly align with the views of the ERG,Jacob Rees-Mogg,IDS,Boris Johnson,David Davis,Priti Patel,John Redwood etc etc.Yes I am a fervent hard brexiteer. Edited by Willo (15 Nov 2018 10.21am)

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 15 Nov 18 9.49am

I wholeheartedly oppose the draft agreement with the EU and I post this as a fervent supporter of the Conservative Party who has served on committees,articulated at a CPF and campaigned vigorously in elections both local and general for many years.I have walked the streets in all weathers delivering leaflets,canvassing opinion and played an active part on election days.I have worn my rosette with pride at all times.

My views wholly align with the views of the ERG,Jacob Rees-Mogg,IDS,Boris Johnson,David Davis,Priti Patel,John Redwood etc etc.Yes I am a fervent hard brexiteer.

Edited by Willo (15 Nov 2018 10.21am)

the despotic banana Dept. of Baboon Maintenance 15 Nov 18 9.54am
Originally posted by DanH The shtshow rolls on. I feel like the only sober one at a party where everyone is still fumbling around for another drink when the sun came up long ago. ... And the only thing left to drink is WD-40 and coke. Ask me about Ronald de Boer.*

the despotic banana

Dept. of Baboon Maintenance 15 Nov 18 9.54am

Originally posted by DanH

The sh*tshow rolls on. I feel like the only sober one at a party where everyone is still fumbling around for another drink when the sun came up long ago.

... And the only thing left to drink is WD-40 and coke.

Ask me about Ronald de Boer.

Badger11 Beckenham 15 Nov 18 10.03am
I think Mrs May will go possibly today. The reason she has failed is she has gone back on her red lines. NI will be treated differently to the rest of the UK, understandably the SNP are now saying #Metoo. The UK will not control its borders or be able to sign trade deals and will have to abide by EU rules and the ECJ which we cannot influence. All of this until we have a trade deal which cannot happen unless the EU agree to release us. In other words this is a deal which is controlled by one side. Quite simply this is not Brexit. We could still have a free trade deal with the EU they offered us that which would resolve most if not all of the above issues. The fault here is with May she went for a type of deal which the EU could not accept without opening the door to other EU countries. I would hope we will go for a hard Brexit March 2019 whilst negotiating a free trade deal with the EU Canada plus style. Mrs May has wasted so much time on this oh and Ester McVey has just resigned. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 15 Nov 18 10.03am

I think Mrs May will go possibly today. The reason she has failed is she has gone back on her red lines.

NI will be treated differently to the rest of the UK, understandably the SNP are now saying #Metoo.

The UK will not control its borders or be able to sign trade deals and will have to abide by EU rules and the ECJ which we cannot influence. All of this until we have a trade deal which cannot happen unless the EU agree to release us.

In other words this is a deal which is controlled by one side.

Quite simply this is not Brexit. We could still have a free trade deal with the EU they offered us that which would resolve most if not all of the above issues. The fault here is with May she went for a type of deal which the EU could not accept without opening the door to other EU countries.

I would hope we will go for a hard Brexit March 2019 whilst negotiating a free trade deal with the EU Canada plus style.

Mrs May has wasted so much time on this oh and Ester McVey has just resigned.

One more point

Pussay Patrol 15 Nov 18 10.05am
Originally posted by Willo I wholeheartedly oppose the draft agreement with the EU and I post this as a fervent supporter of the Conservative Party who has served on committees,articulated at a CPF and campaigned vigorously in elections both local and general for many years.I have walked the streets in all weathers delivering leaflets,canvassing opinion and played an active part on election days.I have worn my rosette with pride at all times. My views wholly align with the views of the ERG,Jacob Rees-Mogg,IDS,Boris Johnson,Priti Patel,John Redwood etc etc.Yes I am a fervent brexiteer. What's the alternative? No deal Brexit? Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

15 Nov 18 10.05am

Originally posted by Willo

My views wholly align with the views of the ERG,Jacob Rees-Mogg,IDS,Boris Johnson,Priti Patel,John Redwood etc etc.Yes I am a fervent brexiteer.

What's the alternative?

No deal Brexit?

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol 15 Nov 18 10.07am
Originally posted by Badger11 I think Mrs May will go possibly today. The reason she has failed is she has gone back on her red lines. NI will be treated differently to the rest of the UK, understandably the SNP are now saying #Metoo. The UK will not control its borders or be able to sign trade deals and will have to abide by EU rules and the ECJ which we cannot influence. All of this until we have a trade deal which cannot happen unless the EU agree to release us. In other words this is a deal which is controlled by one side. Quite simply this is not Brexit. We could still have a free trade deal with the EU they offered us that which would resolve most if not all of the above issues. The fault here is with May she went for a type of deal which the EU could not accept without opening the door to other EU countries. I would hope we will go for a hard Brexit March 2019 whilst negotiating a free trade deal with the EU Canada plus style. Mrs May has wasted so much time on this oh and Ester McVey has just resigned. But, but, but all that doesn't matter. As long as we're out that's all that matters That's what you voted for Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

15 Nov 18 10.07am

Originally posted by Badger11

I think Mrs May will go possibly today. The reason she has failed is she has gone back on her red lines.

NI will be treated differently to the rest of the UK, understandably the SNP are now saying #Metoo.

In other words this is a deal which is controlled by one side.

I would hope we will go for a hard Brexit March 2019 whilst negotiating a free trade deal with the EU Canada plus style.

Mrs May has wasted so much time on this oh and Ester McVey has just resigned.

But, but, but all that doesn't matter. As long as we're out that's all that matters

That's what you voted for

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

steeleye20 Croydon 15 Nov 18 10.14am
The only answer to all this is simply no Brexit.

steeleye20

Croydon 15 Nov 18 10.14am

The only answer to all this is simply no Brexit.

Hrolf The Ganger 15 Nov 18 10.18am
[Link] I posted this on the America thread but I think it has relevance to Brexit too. They gave us one little window of real democracy and I am happy to have cast my vote and say screw you. The EU is nothing more than a puppet organisation for the super rich. The USE is coming, and it will make it so much easier to for them to f*** us all over. The guys who run this game aren't evil. They aren't Spectre. They are just like the rest of us. They just got ahead one day and started making the rules.

Hrolf The Ganger

15 Nov 18 10.18am

[Link]

I posted this on the America thread but I think it has relevance to Brexit too.
They gave us one little window of real democracy and I am happy to have cast my vote and say screw you.
The EU is nothing more than a puppet organisation for the super rich. The USE is coming, and it will make it so much easier to for them to f*** us all over.

The guys who run this game aren't evil. They aren't Spectre. They are just like the rest of us. They just got ahead one day and started making the rules.

Midlands Eagle 15 Nov 18 10.18am
Originally posted by Badger11 and Ester McVey has just resigned. That's a shame as I enjoyed ogling her on the front bench at PMQ's

Midlands Eagle

15 Nov 18 10.18am

Originally posted by Badger11

and Ester McVey has just resigned.

That's a shame as I enjoyed ogling her on the front bench at PMQ's

gambler Kent 15 Nov 18 10.22am
How did it take so long to get this point?

gambler

Kent 15 Nov 18 10.22am

How did it take so long to get this point?

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