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 steeleye20  Croydon 15 Nov 18 10.25am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
That's a shame as I enjoyed ogling her on the front bench at PMQ's Not only out of Brexit but Universal Credit as well, who can blame her.
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| Mapletree Croydon 15 Nov 18 10.32am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Mrs May should resign as she has failed to deliver a Brexit at all. Boris Johnson should replace her on the basis that he was the most instrumental person into getting the country into this mess so he should be in charge of getting us out of it. Nigel Farage should be awarded a peerage and made Brexit Secretary and the two of them should handle the negotiations between them They always knew it was undeliverable so kept well away from the firing line I am not sure if your meaning is let them get hoisted by their own petard or if you genuinely think they could succeed. They couldn't.
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 15 Nov 18 10.50am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I think Mrs May will go possibly today. The reason she has failed is she has gone back on her red lines. NI will be treated differently to the rest of the UK, understandably the SNP are now saying #Metoo. The UK will not control its borders or be able to sign trade deals and will have to abide by EU rules and the ECJ which we cannot influence. All of this until we have a trade deal which cannot happen unless the EU agree to release us. In other words this is a deal which is controlled by one side. Quite simply this is not Brexit. We could still have a free trade deal with the EU they offered us that which would resolve most if not all of the above issues. The fault here is with May she went for a type of deal which the EU could not accept without opening the door to other EU countries. I would hope we will go for a hard Brexit March 2019 whilst negotiating a free trade deal with the EU Canada plus style. Mrs May has wasted so much time on this oh and Ester McVey has just resigned. I think the real tragedy from the last few days has been the resignation of Ester McVey. To say What I could do to that women would red card me from here.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 15 Nov 18 10.54am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I posted this on the America thread but I think it has relevance to Brexit too. The guys who run this game aren't evil. They aren't Spectre. They are just like the rest of us. They just got ahead one day and started making the rules.
Edited by Badger11 (15 Nov 2018 10.54am)
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| Midlands Eagle 15 Nov 18 11.16am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
They always knew it was undeliverable so kept well away from the firing line I am not sure if your meaning is let them get hoisted by their own petard or if you genuinely think they could succeed. They couldn't. The former
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| topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 15 Nov 18 11.20am |
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Originally posted by silvertop
He's fallen softly. When May falls it will be with a thunderous thud from which she will never recover. Sure she made mistakes. I have no idea what they were, precisely, but one thing is certain: to take the perfect path is impossible. Near history will vilify her as people with their own nests to line queue up to attack her. Longer history will show a woman who remained in power against all the odds, doggedly fought the media, the opposition, the EU and her own party with few loyal supporters. And yet... Brexiteers were warned this would happen, that there would be a fudge. And they were warned in plain English. It was attacked as "Project Fear". Thus, is it fair to blame the person who produced the inevitable fudge. Somebody was on the radio last night. He actually said that the deal is a rotten one; and the fault is putting a remainer in charge who, consequently, prosecuted the task with little enthusiasm and with the view to retaining the parts of the EU she liked. Honestly! It didn't take long before Brexiteers blamed Remainers for the mess. Not, of course, the leave vote. Or indeed the Herculean task of passing a deal where the UK is in a 1 -v- 27 battle in Europe; where Brexiteers are in a 1 -v- 6 battle in Parliament (and even worse odds in the Lords); where the country itself hovers from bare majority leave to bare majority stay; and where Brexiteers themselves are fiercely divided as to exactly what they want from any deal. I am confident a deal will be struck. Big money simply won't allow the catastrophic consequences of failure. We will leave the EU. There will be a certain and predictable exit. And matters will eventally settle to a new equilibrium after initial economic hardship. And then someone will write a nice book about Theresa May and the BBC will commission a 6-part sympathetic series about her premiership. But before all that... Good post. People wanted Brexit but no one knew what this actually meant or Brexit meant different things to different people. These people are now moaning that it isn't what they thought it was going to be. This doesn't look like a deal I am happy with but in reality is probably the only deal that we were ever going to have. I'm pretty sure it is not worth the billions it is going to cost us and our children.
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palace_in_frogland  In a broken dream 15 Nov 18 11.26am |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
I think the real tragedy from the last few days has been the resignation of Ester McVey. To say What I could do to that women would red card me from here. Dunno what all the fuss is about.
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 15 Nov 18 11.28am |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
I think the real tragedy from the last few days has been the resignation of Ester McVey. To say What I could do to that women would red card me from here. Has she resigned?
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| Mapletree Croydon 15 Nov 18 11.33am |
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Originally posted by topcat
Good post. People wanted Brexit but no one knew what this actually meant or Brexit meant different things to different people. These people are now moaning that it isn't what they thought it was going to be. This doesn't look like a deal I am happy with but in reality is probably the only deal that we were ever going to have. I'm pretty sure it is not worth the billions it is going to cost us and our children. Whereas I am not confident a deal will be struck. The pain may have been worth it in the eyes of Brexiteers for fully 'taking back control'. On the basis we aren't and can't, do people still feel the pain is worthwhile for marginally more local control? It just amazes me that, in any case, people don't recognise all the other controls we have over us. The US regularly fining our businesses. Every trade deal coming with strings. It is a fallacy we can ever really control our own destiny, we are in a global economy and even the massive blocs of the Soviet Union and China had to give up on going it alone. It is shades of grey, are we really going to take a huge short term economic hit to move the dial by a marginal amount?
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| Mapletree Croydon 15 Nov 18 11.33am |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
Has she resigned? You living in a yurt at the moment then?
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| Mapletree Croydon 15 Nov 18 11.35am |
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Blimey. It turns out I just can't help standing up for the Conservatives
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 15 Nov 18 11.40am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
You living in a yurt at the moment then? Ok, smartarse. The Beeb app was full of Raab sh*t up until a couple of minutes ago. I haven't glued myself to the news this morning as I have other things to do that don't involve getting more and more depressed.
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| the_mcanuff_stuff Caterham 15 Nov 18 12.13pm |
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The prime minister (who I'm no fan of) is delivering on the wishes expressed in the referendum, the wording of which was simply: Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union? Remain a member of the European Union Leave the European Union So any Brexit deal fulfills that requirement. Arguably the question was too vague, in that it was not clear what a proposed Brexit would look like. The problem with the wording as mentioned by the LSE here: [Link] It was never a binary choice, it's far too complex an issue for that. What the strategy for Brexit should be, i.e. what the government should be aiming to achieve was always the bigger question. And that is the reason for the turmoil we're seeing now. There never was a proposed blueprint or plan for Brexit. Arguably the referendum needs to be repeated (at least if you agree the decision on Brexit should be decided by referendum), with a number of clearly defined options on the paper. The people can then decide on a clearly defined path they want the country to take. Because right now, the PM can legitimately claim to be delivering on the will of the people, while nearly nobody (either remainers or "hard" Brexiters) will be happy with the outcome. Edited by the_mcanuff_stuff (15 Nov 2018 12.13pm)
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| Mapletree Croydon 15 Nov 18 12.18pm |
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Originally posted by the_mcanuff_stuff
The prime minister (who I'm no fan of) is delivering on the wishes expressed in the referendum, the wording of which was simply: Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union? Remain a member of the European Union Leave the European Union So any Brexit deal fulfills that requirement. Arguably the question was too vague, in that it was not clear what a proposed Brexit would look like. The problem with the wording as mentioned by the LSE here: [Link] It was never a binary choice, it's far too complex an issue for that. What the strategy for Brexit should be, i.e. what the government should be aiming to achieve was always the bigger question. And that is the reason for the turmoil we're seeing now. There never was a proposed blueprint or plan for Brexit. Arguably the referendum needs to be repeated (at least if you agree the decision on Brexit should be decided by referendum), with a number of clearly defined options on the paper. The people can then decide on a clearly defined path they want the country to take. Because right now, the PM can legitimately claim to be delivering on the will of the people, while nearly nobody (either remainers or "hard" Brexiters) will be happy with the outcome. Edited by the_mcanuff_stuff (15 Nov 2018 12.13pm) Yup
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 15 Nov 18 12.21pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
You living in a yurt at the moment then? You off to Poland yet?
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| Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 15 Nov 18 12.25pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Good post ^ Many swathes of (rational) people who voted leave would change their mind today Then you're only left with Gammon and racists
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| Mapletree Croydon 15 Nov 18 12.27pm |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
You off to Poland yet? Did I say I was? Anyway, life here is just starting to get interesting.
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