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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 15 Nov 18 5.01pm
Originally posted by the_mcanuff_stuff Of course they are. Binary choice. "The United Kigdom should leave the European Union". Bosh. May has fulfilled that requirement 100% in her proposal. I fail to see how still remaining subject to certain EU rules and regulations constitutes being ‘out’ but hey ho. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 15 Nov 18 5.01pm

Originally posted by the_mcanuff_stuff

Of course they are. Binary choice. "The United Kigdom should leave the European Union". Bosh. May has fulfilled that requirement 100% in her proposal.

I fail to see how still remaining subject to certain EU rules and regulations constitutes being ‘out’ but hey ho.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

the_mcanuff_stuff Caterham 15 Nov 18 5.02pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt But that wasn’t the question, was it? How do you distill the people wanting the Norway option from all the other leave voters? ‘Out’, in this context, I took to mean just that. I never even considered the Norway model as an option. That is the crux of my argument since my first post on this thread. "Out" Was never defined. What shape it should take etc. The question was flawed from the start. Therefore people can't bitch and moan when the PM delivers a Brexit they don't personally like. Though, as I've stated before, the Norway option is the least palatable to all sides and personally the worst of-both worlds. It was in no way clear that Brexit represented to everyone, what it did to you or your friends.

the_mcanuff_stuff

Caterham 15 Nov 18 5.02pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

But that wasn’t the question, was it? How do you distill the people wanting the Norway option from all the other leave voters?

‘Out’, in this context, I took to mean just that. I never even considered the Norway model as an option.

That is the crux of my argument since my first post on this thread. "Out" Was never defined. What shape it should take etc. The question was flawed from the start.

Therefore people can't bitch and moan when the PM delivers a Brexit they don't personally like.

Though, as I've stated before, the Norway option is the least palatable to all sides and personally the worst of-both worlds.

It was in no way clear that Brexit represented to everyone, what it did to you or your friends.

the_mcanuff_stuff Caterham 15 Nov 18 5.04pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt I fail to see how still remaining subject to certain EU rules and regulations constitutes being ‘out’ but hey ho. Norway are "out" are they not? And still subject to certain EU rules and regulations. Very much not an Eu member.

the_mcanuff_stuff

Caterham 15 Nov 18 5.04pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

I fail to see how still remaining subject to certain EU rules and regulations constitutes being ‘out’ but hey ho.

Norway are "out" are they not? And still subject to certain EU rules and regulations.

Very much not an Eu member.

Badger11 Beckenham 15 Nov 18 5.05pm
Originally posted by the_mcanuff_stuff Of course they are. Binary choice. "The United Kigdom should leave the European Union". Bosh. May has fulfilled that requirement 100% in her proposal. But she hasn't. During the implementation phase we cannot sign trade deals and have to accept EU rules which we have no say in. I don't like this deal because it is lacking an end date. We cannot give notice and leave this deal unilaterally therefore the pressure is on us not the EU. What she should have negotiated is a hard leave date by which everything ends. That is then an incentive for both the UK and the EU to replace this with a free trade deal before that end date. Instead we have a Hotel California deal and it will not be passed by Parliament. Edited by Badger11 (15 Nov 2018 5.05pm) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 15 Nov 18 5.05pm

Originally posted by the_mcanuff_stuff

Of course they are. Binary choice. "The United Kigdom should leave the European Union". Bosh. May has fulfilled that requirement 100% in her proposal.

But she hasn't. During the implementation phase we cannot sign trade deals and have to accept EU rules which we have no say in. I don't like this deal because it is lacking an end date.

We cannot give notice and leave this deal unilaterally therefore the pressure is on us not the EU. What she should have negotiated is a hard leave date by which everything ends. That is then an incentive for both the UK and the EU to replace this with a free trade deal before that end date.

Instead we have a Hotel California deal and it will not be passed by Parliament.

Edited by Badger11 (15 Nov 2018 5.05pm)

One more point

DanH SW2 15 Nov 18 5.06pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt From the OED (that’s the Oxford English Dictionary, by the way): Definitive is often used, rather imprecisely, when definite is actually intended, to mean simply ‘clearly decided’. Although definitive and definite have a clear overlap in meaning, definitive has the additional sense of ‘having an authoritative basis’. Thus, a definitive decision is one which is not only conclusive but also carries the stamp of authority or is a benchmark for the future, while a definite decision is simply one which has been made clearly and is without doubt.. The authoritative basis here is that, in a referendum, more people voted to leave than to remain. Does it get any more authoritative than that? I’ll leave you to email the OED if you disagree with their definition. Oh eff you and your ‘dictionary’, whatever that is (Your brother is a QC right? I’ve been spending time with a couple this week in my real life, not a nuisance world)

DanH

SW2 15 Nov 18 5.06pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

From the OED (that’s the Oxford English Dictionary, by the way):

Definitive is often used, rather imprecisely, when definite is actually intended, to mean simply ‘clearly decided’. Although definitive and definite have a clear overlap in meaning, definitive has the additional sense of ‘having an authoritative basis’. Thus, a definitive decision is one which is not only conclusive but also carries the stamp of authority or is a benchmark for the future, while a definite decision is simply one which has been made clearly and is without doubt..

The authoritative basis here is that, in a referendum, more people voted to leave than to remain. Does it get any more authoritative than that?

I’ll leave you to email the OED if you disagree with their definition.

Oh eff you and your ‘dictionary’, whatever that is

(Your brother is a QC right? I’ve been spending time with a couple this week in my real life, not a nuisance world)

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 15 Nov 18 5.14pm
Originally posted by DanH Oh eff you and your ‘dictionary’, whatever that is (Your brother is a QC right? I’ve been spending time with a couple this week in my real life, not a nuisance world) Yeah, he is but he laid off barristering a couple of years ago. He now sits in majestic splendour as a judge, sending an endless stream of miscreants to chokey. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 15 Nov 18 5.14pm

Originally posted by DanH

Oh eff you and your ‘dictionary’, whatever that is

(Your brother is a QC right? I’ve been spending time with a couple this week in my real life, not a nuisance world)

Yeah, he is but he laid off barristering a couple of years ago. He now sits in majestic splendour as a judge, sending an endless stream of miscreants to chokey.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

DanH SW2 15 Nov 18 5.15pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt Yeah, he is but he laid off barristering a couple of years ago. He now sits in majestic splendour as a judge, sending an endless stream of miscreants to chokey. How does it feel to be the thick one in the family?

DanH

SW2 15 Nov 18 5.15pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Yeah, he is but he laid off barristering a couple of years ago. He now sits in majestic splendour as a judge, sending an endless stream of miscreants to chokey.

How does it feel to be the thick one in the family?

Mapletree Croydon 15 Nov 18 5.20pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt Yeah, he is but he laid off barristering a couple of years ago. He now sits in majestic splendour as a judge, sending an endless stream of miscreants to chokey. I would have liked to have been a judge but I never had the Latin. [Link]

Mapletree

Croydon 15 Nov 18 5.20pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Yeah, he is but he laid off barristering a couple of years ago. He now sits in majestic splendour as a judge, sending an endless stream of miscreants to chokey.

I would have liked to have been a judge but I never had the Latin.

[Link]

Pussay Patrol 15 Nov 18 5.21pm
Cucking doesn't realise his big contradiction First argues the vote was to leave the EU lock stock and barrel whatever the consequences, then ends by saying how much of a total disaster it all is Don't you think people voted remain because of EXACTLY this situation we now find ourselves in? Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

15 Nov 18 5.21pm

Cucking doesn't realise his big contradiction

First argues the vote was to leave the EU lock stock and barrel whatever the consequences, then ends by saying how much of a total disaster it all is

Don't you think people voted remain because of EXACTLY this situation we now find ourselves in?

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 15 Nov 18 5.30pm
Originally posted by DanH How does it feel to be the thick one in the family? You insolent little scamp Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 15 Nov 18 5.30pm

Originally posted by DanH

How does it feel to be the thick one in the family?

You insolent little scamp

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 15 Nov 18 5.34pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Cucking doesn't realise his big contradiction First argues the vote was to leave the EU lock stock and barrel whatever the consequences, then ends by saying how much of a total disaster it all is Don't you think people voted remain because of EXACTLY this situation we now find ourselves in? I think you trained at the Steeleye School of Rational Debate. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 15 Nov 18 5.34pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Cucking doesn't realise his big contradiction

First argues the vote was to leave the EU lock stock and barrel whatever the consequences, then ends by saying how much of a total disaster it all is

Don't you think people voted remain because of EXACTLY this situation we now find ourselves in?

I think you trained at the Steeleye School of Rational Debate.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

steeleye20 Croydon 15 Nov 18 5.43pm
We have probably got another 10 years of this s***e. The 'end-game' means the 'start-game'. I am sure I won't be around if it ever does end, and what a pointless disaster it all is. It is Suez all over again, the same duplicity and self-delusion. So many serious problems in the country all put on the sidelines while they tear themselves to pieces. The deal is far more than the UK deserves.

steeleye20

Croydon 15 Nov 18 5.43pm

We have probably got another 10 years of this s***e.

The 'end-game' means the 'start-game'.

I am sure I won't be around if it ever does end, and what a pointless disaster it all is.

It is Suez all over again, the same duplicity and self-delusion.

So many serious problems in the country all put on the sidelines while they tear themselves to pieces.

The deal is far more than the UK deserves.

.TUX. 15 Nov 18 6.12pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 We have probably got another 10 years of this se.* The 'end-game' means the 'start-game'. I am sure I won't be around if it ever does end, and what a pointless disaster it all is. It is Suez all over again, the same duplicity and self-delusion. So many serious problems in the country all put on the sidelines while they tear themselves to pieces. The deal is far more than the UK deserves. Added to the last 10 being stolen from us. What a coincidence. Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

15 Nov 18 6.12pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

We have probably got another 10 years of this s***e.

The 'end-game' means the 'start-game'.

I am sure I won't be around if it ever does end, and what a pointless disaster it all is.

It is Suez all over again, the same duplicity and self-delusion.

So many serious problems in the country all put on the sidelines while they tear themselves to pieces.

The deal is far more than the UK deserves.

Added to the last 10 being stolen from us.
What a coincidence.

Buy Litecoin.

steeleye20 Croydon 15 Nov 18 6.15pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt I think you trained at the Steeleye School of Rational Debate. My debating skills are, of course, legendary. -.-'

steeleye20

Croydon 15 Nov 18 6.15pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

I think you trained at the Steeleye School of Rational Debate.

My debating skills are, of course, legendary.

-.-'

Hrolf The Ganger 15 Nov 18 7.39pm
Leaving Europe is not the problem. The deal is the problem. Europe need a deal as much as us. A stand now will see them compromise.

Hrolf The Ganger

15 Nov 18 7.39pm

Leaving Europe is not the problem.
The deal is the problem.

Europe need a deal as much as us. A stand now will see them compromise.

Pussay Patrol 15 Nov 18 7.49pm
Originally posted by Badger11 But she hasn't. During the implementation phase we cannot sign trade deals and have to accept EU rules which we have no say in. I don't like this deal because it is lacking an end date. We cannot give notice and leave this deal unilaterally therefore the pressure is on us not the EU. What she should have negotiated is a hard leave date by which everything ends. That is then an incentive for both the UK and the EU to replace this with a free trade deal before that end date. Instead we have a Hotel California deal and it will not be passed by Parliament. Edited by Badger11 (15 Nov 2018 5.05pm) You brexiters need to make your minds up Cucking says Full hard brexit whatever the consequences, you're saying the detail is important No form is brexit can you have your cake and eat it Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Pussay Patrol

15 Nov 18 7.49pm

Originally posted by Badger11

But she hasn't. During the implementation phase we cannot sign trade deals and have to accept EU rules which we have no say in. I don't like this deal because it is lacking an end date.

Instead we have a Hotel California deal and it will not be passed by Parliament.

Edited by Badger11 (15 Nov 2018 5.05pm)

You brexiters need to make your minds up

Cucking says Full hard brexit whatever the consequences, you're saying the detail is important

No form is brexit can you have your cake and eat it

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

Badger11 Beckenham 15 Nov 18 8.00pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol You brexiters need to make your minds up Cucking says Full hard brexit whatever the consequences, you're saying the detail is important No form is brexit can you have your cake and eat it No I didn't say that. In my previous posts I have said I would prefer a hard Brexit and then we negotiate. On this deal I said today that it was the lack of the end date that worries me. There is plenty I don't like in this deal but if Mrs May said suck it up for 1 year (example) and then we're done I would go alone with that as the path of least resistance. As for what other posters think surely that is up to them as the Remainers keep telling us we all voted for different things. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 15 Nov 18 8.00pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

You brexiters need to make your minds up

Cucking says Full hard brexit whatever the consequences, you're saying the detail is important

No form is brexit can you have your cake and eat it

No I didn't say that. In my previous posts I have said I would prefer a hard Brexit and then we negotiate.

On this deal I said today that it was the lack of the end date that worries me. There is plenty I don't like in this deal but if Mrs May said suck it up for 1 year (example) and then we're done I would go alone with that as the path of least resistance.

As for what other posters think surely that is up to them as the Remainers keep telling us we all voted for different things.

One more point

Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 15 Nov 18 8.03pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Leaving Europe is not the problem. The deal is the problem. Europe need a deal as much as us. A stand now will see them compromise. [Link] Pro USA & Israel

Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 15 Nov 18 8.03pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Leaving Europe is not the problem.
The deal is the problem.

Europe need a deal as much as us. A stand now will see them compromise.

[Link]

Pro USA & Israel

cryrst The garden of England 15 Nov 18 8.15pm
Phew!!! Being a remainder I must say now a deal has been reached it must be good news for all of us. Not that I personally wanted it but! Now the government can get on with the domestic issues. Everyone must be made up we are finally near the end game.

cryrst

The garden of England 15 Nov 18 8.15pm

Phew!!!
Being a remainder I must say now a deal has been reached it must be good news for all of us.
Not that I personally wanted it but!
Now the government can get on with the domestic issues.
Everyone must be made up we are finally near the end game.

Ouzo Dan Behind you 15 Nov 18 8.36pm
Hard Brexiter here or just Brexiter, I'm not overly fussed which of the two labels Remainers choose for me. Becoming a vassal state of the EU is not leaving the EU. May has embarrassed this country, hopefully she is finished & oddly I'm optimistic we'll get a proper brexit government & walk away from an EU desperate for more & more control. The mountains are calling & I must go.

Ouzo Dan

Behind you 15 Nov 18 8.36pm

Hard Brexiter here or just Brexiter, I'm not overly fussed which of the two labels Remainers choose for me.

Becoming a vassal state of the EU is not leaving the EU.
May has embarrassed this country, hopefully she is finished & oddly I'm optimistic we'll get a proper brexit government & walk away from an EU desperate for more & more control.

The mountains are calling & I must go.

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