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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I bet he has more frustrated young people out of work or earning very little one either what they accept doing or hate doing because they can’t get into what they’d prefer to do because they’re not cheap enough or can’t get the experience the cheaper EU labour have. If we all lived in overcrowded houses or were here for a few years it would be great, but we’re not. This is our home and it has to work as a home. There are other ways to run a country and not this way. The longer this goes on the more difficult it is to reverse, relying on the immediate tax gain, at a cost to the longer term health and prosperity of the country and citizens. Even more pubs closing is another downside. Invite millions of more intelligent Mediterranean graduates tomorrow. The views would soon change. I've said it before and I will say it again. We should import our politicians and civil servants from Eastern Europe. They're cheaper and will work harder. Let's see if the establishment is still as keen on open migration!
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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan
Hard Brexiter here or just Brexiter, I'm not overly fussed which of the two labels Remainers choose for me. Becoming a vassal state of the EU is not leaving the EU. This confuses me. Don’t you live in Slovakia now? What’s with the ‘me’? Wouldn’t Brexit make your life much more complex?
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Originally posted by Mapletree
This confuses me. Don’t you live in Slovakia now? What’s with the ‘me’? Wouldn’t Brexit make your life much more complex?
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I was rather more thinking take advantage of freedom of movement then shut the door behind you.
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I was rather more thinking take advantage of freedom of movement then shut the door behind you. You talk like you won't be allowed to work in Europe or vice versa. It'll just go back to something like the previous situation.
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How appropriate. The Brexit thread hits page 1066
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You talk like you won't be allowed to work in Europe or vice versa. It'll just go back to something like the previous situation.
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It's almost like young people never travelled or worked in Europe before the EU existed. Oh but wait...! Edited by Penge Eagle (16 Nov 2018 12.44pm)
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
It's almost like young people never travelled or worked in Europe before the EU existed. Oh but wait...! Edited by Penge Eagle (16 Nov 2018 12.44pm) I remember those days, I can only assume you do not. Visas, long passport queues and most tricky of all currency controls. You could take limited cash with you Getting to work was difficult and mostly those I remember doing so were au pairs. As you will know, getting to work in the US for any prolonged period is tricky. Sure it can be done but not easily. Presumably it will be like that.
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I remember those days, I can only assume you do not. Visas, long passport queues and most tricky of all currency controls. You could take limited cash with you Getting to work was difficult and mostly those I remember doing so were au pairs. As you will know, getting to work in the US for any prolonged period is tricky. Sure it can be done but not easily. Presumably it will be like that. Firstly, technology has sped up everything we do in life since pre-1970s. To visit the US for up to 3 months requires an ESTA which can be bought online and lasts for two years. Cost $14 I think. Not difficult. Working in the US is trickier but so it should be. Apply online and then the only crappy bit was sitting in the US embassy for 2-3 hours to get approved which took 2 minutes. My media visa was for 5 years. Again, it's not a big deal. Does long queues at immigration put people off from visiting or working in the US? NO.
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I remember those days, I can only assume you do not. Visas, long passport queues and most tricky of all currency controls. You could take limited cash with you Getting to work was difficult and mostly those I remember doing so were au pairs. As you will know, getting to work in the US for any prolonged period is tricky. Sure it can be done but not easily. Presumably it will be like that. Me too, my memory of being a guest worker in West Germany was of interminable bureaucracy. It took me months of trekking from office to office and while working night shifts. You still have to satisfy the checks of the country you are going to, but FOM is simple compared to what existed previously and effective for the unemployed to move to high employment areas. That is all it is, the market working.
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Firstly, technology has sped up everything we do in life since pre-1970s. To visit the US for up to 3 months requires an ESTA which can be bought online and lasts for two years. Cost I think. Not difficult. Working in the US is trickier but so it should be. Apply online and then the only crappy bit was sitting in the US embassy for 2-3 hours to get approved which took 2 minutes. My media visa was for 5 years. Again, it's not a big deal. Does long queues at immigration put people off from visiting or working in the US? NO. Thank you, perfect answer. It will become considerably more difficult. Not insurmountable but harder and less seamless. And don't forget, not everyone has your intellect to navigate the tricky stuff.
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Thank you, perfect answer. It will become considerably more difficult. Not insurmountable but harder and less seamless. And don't forget, not everyone has your intellect to navigate the tricky stuff. I disagree. Taking 5 minutes for a visa every 2 years is not difficult. And if you can't fill in an online form or know someone to help you then it's probably not advisable to move to another country. If there were queues at immigration it won't stop people visiting Greece or Spain for their holidays. People put up with flight delays all the time, for example. But the great thing about the human race is it learns to adapt to changing conditions. The tourist visa fee pays for any extra computers, staff or more space to handle EU/non-EU people.
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I remember those days, I can only assume you do not. Visas, long passport queues and most tricky of all currency controls. You could take limited cash with you Getting to work was difficult and mostly those I remember doing so were au pairs. As you will know, getting to work in the US for any prolonged period is tricky. Sure it can be done but not easily. Presumably it will be like that. and was it an inter-rail ticket?
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Originally posted by pefwin
and was it an inter-rail ticket? Not for me My father got friendly with a German soldier when stationed there after the war. We took our holidays in Germany and used to drive there. Most of the time the only Brit car on the roads. Not surprising considering how complex it was but, as we were so unusual, everyone was especially helpful. We also drove to Spain, that was soooooo painful. Lovely people, horrible bureaucracy and actually quite frightening.
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
I can’t really see the complexity, to be honest. And what’s happened over the last two years is solely because we have a government that wats to remain and doesn’t want to implement the referendum result. The 27 have backed Barnier, not gone off message and there seems to be no wriggle room in the proposal. We should take it and be glad we're nearly out.
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Thank you, perfect answer. It will become considerably more difficult. Not insurmountable but harder and less seamless. And don't forget, not everyone has your intellect to navigate the tricky stuff. Well I managed !!
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Originally posted by Jimenez
Well I managed !! Twitter ban bender
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