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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 16 Nov 18 9.02am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I bet he has more frustrated young people out of work or earning very little one either what they accept doing or hate doing because they can’t get into what they’d prefer to do because they’re not cheap enough or can’t get the experience the cheaper EU labour have.

If we all lived in overcrowded houses or were here for a few years it would be great, but we’re not. This is our home and it has to work as a home. There are other ways to run a country and not this way. The longer this goes on the more difficult it is to reverse, relying on the immediate tax gain, at a cost to the longer term health and prosperity of the country and citizens.

Even more pubs closing is another downside.

Invite millions of more intelligent Mediterranean graduates tomorrow. The views would soon change.


I've said it before and I will say it again. We should import our politicians and civil servants from Eastern Europe. They're cheaper and will work harder. Let's see if the establishment is still as keen on open migration!

 


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 16 Nov 18 9.07am

Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

Hard Brexiter here or just Brexiter, I'm not overly fussed which of the two labels Remainers choose for me.

Becoming a vassal state of the EU is not leaving the EU.
May has embarrassed this country, hopefully she is finished & oddly I'm optimistic we'll get a proper brexit government & walk away from an EU desperate for more & more control.

This confuses me. Don’t you live in Slovakia now? What’s with the ‘me’?

Wouldn’t Brexit make your life much more complex?

 

Stirlingsays Flag 16 Nov 18 9.09am

Originally posted by Mapletree

This confuses me. Don’t you live in Slovakia now? What’s with the ‘me’?

Wouldn’t Brexit make your life much more complex?


Yes Maple, because it's always about an individual's self interest when it comes to the country isn't it.


Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Nov 2018 9.18am)

 


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 16 Nov 18 9.33am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Yes Maple, because it's always about an individual's self interest when it comes to the country isn't it.


Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Nov 2018 9.18am)

I was rather more thinking take advantage of freedom of movement then shut the door behind you.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 16 Nov 18 9.37am

Originally posted by Mapletree

I was rather more thinking take advantage of freedom of movement then shut the door behind you.

You talk like you won't be allowed to work in Europe or vice versa. It'll just go back to something like the previous situation.

 


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mezzer Flag Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 16 Nov 18 11.44am

How appropriate.

The Brexit thread hits page 1066

 


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becky Flag over the moon 16 Nov 18 12.24pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You talk like you won't be allowed to work in Europe or vice versa. It'll just go back to something like the previous situation.


Unless you are one of these young people who demand the freedom as a right to live and work in Europe...... except they may find it rather harder to get a job there than they think, or certainly harder across the greater part of the EU based on these figure:-


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 16 Nov 18 12.33pm

Originally posted by mezzer

How appropriate.

The Brexit thread hits page 1066

And with the same result !!


 

Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 16 Nov 18 12.43pm

It's almost like young people never travelled or worked in Europe before the EU existed. Oh but wait...!

Edited by Penge Eagle (16 Nov 2018 12.44pm)

 

Mapletree Flag Croydon 16 Nov 18 12.52pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

It's almost like young people never travelled or worked in Europe before the EU existed. Oh but wait...!

Edited by Penge Eagle (16 Nov 2018 12.44pm)

I remember those days, I can only assume you do not.

Visas, long passport queues and most tricky of all currency controls. You could take limited cash with you

Getting to work was difficult and mostly those I remember doing so were au pairs.

As you will know, getting to work in the US for any prolonged period is tricky. Sure it can be done but not easily. Presumably it will be like that.

 

Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 16 Nov 18 1.07pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I remember those days, I can only assume you do not.

Visas, long passport queues and most tricky of all currency controls. You could take limited cash with you

Getting to work was difficult and mostly those I remember doing so were au pairs.

As you will know, getting to work in the US for any prolonged period is tricky. Sure it can be done but not easily. Presumably it will be like that.

Firstly, technology has sped up everything we do in life since pre-1970s.

To visit the US for up to 3 months requires an ESTA which can be bought online and lasts for two years. Cost $14 I think. Not difficult.

Working in the US is trickier but so it should be. Apply online and then the only crappy bit was sitting in the US embassy for 2-3 hours to get approved which took 2 minutes. My media visa was for 5 years. Again, it's not a big deal. Does long queues at immigration put people off from visiting or working in the US? NO.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 16 Nov 18 1.11pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I remember those days, I can only assume you do not.

Visas, long passport queues and most tricky of all currency controls. You could take limited cash with you

Getting to work was difficult and mostly those I remember doing so were au pairs.

As you will know, getting to work in the US for any prolonged period is tricky. Sure it can be done but not easily. Presumably it will be like that.

Me too, my memory of being a guest worker in West Germany was of interminable bureaucracy.

It took me months of trekking from office to office and while working night shifts.

You still have to satisfy the checks of the country you are going to, but FOM is simple compared to what existed previously and effective for the unemployed to move to high employment areas.

That is all it is, the market working.

 

Mapletree Flag Croydon 16 Nov 18 1.12pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Firstly, technology has sped up everything we do in life since pre-1970s.

To visit the US for up to 3 months requires an ESTA which can be bought online and lasts for two years. Cost I think. Not difficult.

Working in the US is trickier but so it should be. Apply online and then the only crappy bit was sitting in the US embassy for 2-3 hours to get approved which took 2 minutes. My media visa was for 5 years. Again, it's not a big deal. Does long queues at immigration put people off from visiting or working in the US? NO.

Thank you, perfect answer. It will become considerably more difficult. Not insurmountable but harder and less seamless. And don't forget, not everyone has your intellect to navigate the tricky stuff.

 

Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 16 Nov 18 1.25pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Thank you, perfect answer. It will become considerably more difficult. Not insurmountable but harder and less seamless. And don't forget, not everyone has your intellect to navigate the tricky stuff.

I disagree. Taking 5 minutes for a visa every 2 years is not difficult.

And if you can't fill in an online form or know someone to help you then it's probably not advisable to move to another country.

If there were queues at immigration it won't stop people visiting Greece or Spain for their holidays. People put up with flight delays all the time, for example.

But the great thing about the human race is it learns to adapt to changing conditions. The tourist visa fee pays for any extra computers, staff or more space to handle EU/non-EU people.

 

pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 16 Nov 18 1.27pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I remember those days, I can only assume you do not.

Visas, long passport queues and most tricky of all currency controls. You could take limited cash with you

Getting to work was difficult and mostly those I remember doing so were au pairs.

As you will know, getting to work in the US for any prolonged period is tricky. Sure it can be done but not easily. Presumably it will be like that.

and was it an inter-rail ticket?

 


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 16 Nov 18 1.31pm

Originally posted by pefwin

and was it an inter-rail ticket?

Not for me

My father got friendly with a German soldier when stationed there after the war. We took our holidays in Germany and used to drive there. Most of the time the only Brit car on the roads. Not surprising considering how complex it was but, as we were so unusual, everyone was especially helpful.

We also drove to Spain, that was soooooo painful. Lovely people, horrible bureaucracy and actually quite frightening.

 

chris123 Flag hove actually 16 Nov 18 2.00pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

I can’t really see the complexity, to be honest. And what’s happened over the last two years is solely because we have a government that wats to remain and doesn’t want to implement the referendum result.

The 27 have backed Barnier, not gone off message and there seems to be no wriggle room in the proposal. We should take it and be glad we're nearly out.

 

Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 16 Nov 18 2.30pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Thank you, perfect answer. It will become considerably more difficult. Not insurmountable but harder and less seamless. And don't forget, not everyone has your intellect to navigate the tricky stuff.

Well I managed !!

 


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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 16 Nov 18 5.25pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

Well I managed !!

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 16 Nov 18 7.36pm

My view on the Tory party.

I think the behaviour of some of the senior Tories is pretty disgraceful they are putting their personal ambitions ahead of the country.

There are a number of ministers who it is believed hate this deal and yet they have not resigned. There is talk that 5 of them will meet next week and identify changes they would like in the deal (PR exercise).

Of course what is going on is they are dragging this out under the cover of "loyalty to the leader" whilst hoping that the back bencher's stab May in the back. They can then push themselves as the next leader and scrap the deal. They are very aware that he who wields the knife is never the next leader.

Meanwhile the backbenchers are playing their own little game, plenty of hate for the deal but not many letters going in, again because they are "loyal". I wouldn't mind if they were but it is all BS they want her gone.

All this adds up to dragging this affair out because when it comes to it May will not have the numbers. Normally the Tories are good at "getting rid" and we need that now otherwise it will be Christmas and May will still be kicking the can down the road.

 


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