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  Hrolf The Ganger  10 Mar 18 12.39pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The Trump presidency so far.....well it just shows up the progressive left for what they are.....I remember the reactions and characterizations...the threats to his life....the predictions of doom....the predictions of an evil demigod out to destroy us.....So many complete loons on their side....centralists are now nazis for them.....free speech is 'hate speech' if it contradicts their belief systems. Now, Trump has done things that I'm against, and he lies and acts like a child when he is attacked.....but I have to admit....anything that upsets the progressive narrative is gold dust. These people are truly awful. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Mar 2018 12.10pm) Seconded.
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| Mapletree Croydon 10 Mar 18 1.40pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
There is a very short distance between being obsessively self righteous and bonkers. I appreciate people who help others, particularly when they do it quietly and without the need to tell us all how virtuous they are. You are obviously not in that catagory. When will you stop making personal insults? I have no idea why you do that. As I know you won't stop until you have had the last word, which is your modus operandi, I shall now (try) not to respond to your constant bombardment of trolling and stalking.
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| Stirlingsays 10 Mar 18 1.46pm |
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Two good posters with different perspectives.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 10 Mar 18 2.05pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
When will you stop making personal insults? I have no idea why you do that. As I know you won't stop until you have had the last word, which is your modus operandi, I shall now (try) not to respond to your constant bombardment of trolling and stalking. Just go away....Please.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 10 Mar 18 2.13pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Two good posters with different perspectives. You know it's nice to find common ground with people but some just can't find it within themselves. If only they didn't bombard you with value judgements and accusations then they wouldn't receive the obligatory responses. We move on.
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| Mapletree Croydon 10 Mar 18 2.29pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Two good posters with different perspectives. I don't agree Stirling. Abuse is nothing to do with perspective, it is simply abuse. This is the nature of cyber bullying. The result is many other posters just deciding to stay away. I have always enjoyed doing battle with you. You are diametrically opposite to me in so many ways. But you are civil and rational. Much the same as Cucking.
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| Stirlingsays 10 Mar 18 3.09pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I don't agree Stirling. Abuse is nothing to do with perspective, it is simply abuse. This is the nature of cyber bullying. The result is many other posters just deciding to stay away. I have always enjoyed doing battle with you. You are diametrically opposite to me in so many ways. But you are civil and rational. Much the same as Cucking. It takes two to argue. I'm someone who we know has had his own long running battles on here. I've engaged and enjoyed engaging in immature insults against my opponents.....but I didn't continue it if it was one sided. I think there's a place for mockery...but if one side doesn't want to play then it can get boorish. However, if a poster is interested in actual discussion and the exchange of ideas then that's valid and important on a forum section about politics. Different worldviews are ok.....indeed the lack of them is the very opposite of a healthy society. Nothing that society currently accepts as preferred would exist if those previous views weren't allowed their expression. The 'marketplace of ideas' so to speak. I'm a defender of those from any political corner. I may heavily criticise progressive views but they have their place in free expression....A liberal society is far to important a structure not to support that...and I would always argue for them not to be shut down...even if I might not agree with the viewpoint. Nick, of course, didn't get banned for views but for continual harassment of mods he didn't like. On that basis they had a right to ban him.....but it is a shame that his supporters buggered off as well...no doubt they felt duty bound....even if I've had a go at them on the bbs since...... It's still a shame.... for Hol...for most of them, was their original beat.
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| Mapletree Croydon 10 Mar 18 3.33pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It takes two to argue. I'm someone who we know has had his own long running battles on here. I've engaged and enjoyed engaging in immature insults against my opponents.....but I didn't continue it if it was one sided. I think there's a place for mockery...but if one side doesn't want to play then it can get boorish. However, if a poster is interested in actual discussion and the exchange of ideas then that's valid and important on a forum section about politics. Different worldviews are ok.....indeed the lack of them is the very opposite of a healthy society. Nothing that society currently accepts as preferred would exist if those previous views weren't allowed their expression. The 'marketplace of ideas' so to speak. I'm a defender of those from any political corner. I may heavily criticise progressive views but they have their place in free expression....A liberal society is far to important a structure not to support that...and I would always argue for them not to be shut down...even if I might not agree with the viewpoint. Nick, of course, didn't get banned for views but for continual harassment of mods he didn't like. On that basis they had a right to ban him.....but it is a shame that his supporters buggered off as well...no doubt they felt duty bound....even if I've had a go at them on the bbs since...... It's still a shame.... for Hol...for most of them, was their original beat.
Some left because of Nick, most because of the remarkable lack of tolerance they have encountered recently. You will, I am sure, have noticed how threads now consist of people backing up each other's views which are often highly reactionary. For example the recent response to World Women's Day. No surprise, anyone with alternative views can't be bothered with the constant haranguing. I have to take my hat off to the two or three still left on here that are prepared to take the strain. For myself, I can only be bothered to react to the most extreme nonsenses. By the way, as an ex teacher do you really think the statement 'it takes two to argue' really reflects a situation where someone follows you around and calls you names? Would you let that go in the playground? Edited by Mapletree (10 Mar 2018 3.35pm)
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| Stirlingsays 10 Mar 18 4.01pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Some left because of Nick, most because of the remarkable lack of tolerance they have encountered recently. You will, I am sure, have noticed how threads now consist of people backing up each other's views which are often highly reactionary. For example the recent response to World Women's Day. No surprise, anyone with alternative views can't be bothered with the constant haranguing. I have to take my hat off to the two or three still left on here that are prepared to take the strain. Mmmm...some left because of a 'lack of tolerance'? Do I need to remind you of the insults from Nick and some others, like calling people Nazis and racists. He and they were allowed to continue on the site and continue doing that...That's tolerance....Perhaps it was there 'lack of tolerance' that should be commented upon. People also left this forum because of Nick.....yet I don't remember those of his tribe complaining about it to him directly. Originally posted by Mapletree
For myself, I can only be bothered to react to the most extreme nonsenses. By the way, as an ex teacher do you really think the statement 'it takes two to argue' really reflects a situation where someone follows you around and calls you names? Would you let that go in the playground? Edited by Mapletree (10 Mar 2018 3.35pm) I haven't really been following your debates other than the last few posts between you on this thread. In terms, of what happens in the playground......well, those are children in physical proximity. That is a situation where angry exchanges run the risk of violence. People debating on a forum isn't a comparison. If you were being continually harassed after being asked to be left alone then you'd have something to complain about.....but from what I read Hrolf said he's moving on after you said you didn't want to respond. What exactly has Hrolf said to you that you object to so much?
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| Hrolf The Ganger 10 Mar 18 7.45pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Some left because of Nick, most because of the remarkable lack of tolerance they have encountered recently. You will, I am sure, have noticed how threads now consist of people backing up each other's views which are often highly reactionary. For example the recent response to World Women's Day. No surprise, anyone with alternative views can't be bothered with the constant haranguing. I have to take my hat off to the two or three still left on here that are prepared to take the strain. For myself, I can only be bothered to react to the most extreme nonsenses. By the way, as an ex teacher do you really think the statement 'it takes two to argue' really reflects a situation where someone follows you around and calls you names? Would you let that go in the playground? Edited by Mapletree (10 Mar 2018 3.35pm) It would be very interesting to test that laughable statement statistically.
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| .TUX. 10 Mar 18 9.00pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Anyway let's try and cut out this personal stuff and get back to topic... I don't think Trump will get anywhere with the Rocket Man – it's posturing from both sides. No way in a million years is he going to get rid of his nuclear weapons. I'm more concerned about South Korea who seem to think they can broker a deal with the North and get US troops off their soil. It's simply not going to happen. Don't be.
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| Stirlingsays 11 Mar 18 2.58am |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Anyway let's try and cut out this personal stuff and get back to topic... I don't think Trump will get anywhere with the Rocket Man – it's posturing from both sides. No way in a million years is he going to get rid of his nuclear weapons. I'm more concerned about South Korea who seem to think they can broker a deal with the North and get US troops off their soil. It's simply not going to happen. If South Korea agree to having the US out then they need their heads examining.
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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 11 Mar 18 9.02am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Was that the mod whom you accused of still posting crap perchance? Err, the amuse-bouche was that everybody instead of talking political crap, everyone was literally talking baby crap including me. You can consider yourself part of everyone if you like.
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| pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 11 Mar 18 9.09am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
If South Korea agree to having the US out then they need their heads examining. I would agree. Is this though merely a deescalation than an actual flaw. I think South Korea want to normalise relations back to merely "icey" and feel uncomfortable with Trump's sabre rattling. In bottom line the US will not remove troops as art of a global strategy against China let alone N. Korea, and Kim Jung-un has seen what happened to the likes of Gadaffi when they swore off nukes.
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| Stirlingsays 11 Mar 18 12.03pm |
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Originally posted by pefwin
I would agree. Is this though merely a deescalation than an actual flaw. I think South Korea want to normalise relations back to merely "icey" and feel uncomfortable with Trump's sabre rattling. In bottom line the US will not remove troops as art of a global strategy against China let alone N. Korea, and Kim Jung-un has seen what happened to the likes of Gadaffi when they swore off nukes.
Trump has played hardball with NK which has led to them coming to this position....either honestly (if history is a guide) or it's far more likely just to be about seeing what they can get. They could offer him a secret apparent two year denuclearisation victory over them and so increase his re-election chances for.....essentially cash and aid. All said implicitly of course. This would play to his ego and it would be interesting.
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| pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 11 Mar 18 2.07pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Having said this....I want to refer back to Obama and have my mini rant....because the left so waxed lyrical over him. Obama may have been good at presidental stand up and being 'presidental' in general.....but it has to be said....Obama was useless with NK....as he was with foreign relations in general...complete failure. He did exactly what the left and progressives wanted and had called for....for years in respects to Iraq and de facto allowed the massive expansion of ISIS.....showing you the complete stupidity of the left in general....because he did precisely what they were calling for. Afterwards he claimed it was a Bush policy that he just implemented......which is a lie because we have many clips of him calling for the removal of troops in his election year. Sure, that plonker Bush would have done it....but he was the actual wally who did it.......the left gave him lots of praise for doing it too. All of the major powers ignored him because his actions were easy to calculate. That has changed under Trump.
US foreign policy has been missed played for decades subsequent to the opportunity of the resolution of the 1st Gulf War. One of the worst was Cheney / Rumsfeld's order to disband the secular Iraqi army after the 2nd pointless war. Obama was a global cluster f*** multipler, ignoring close allies and pursuing an isolationist policy,l no boots on the ground policy, etc. I can't think of a single policy success; perhaps Kenya. Edited by pefwin (11 Mar 2018 2.11pm) Edited by pefwin (11 Mar 2018 2.14pm)
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| Stirlingsays 11 Mar 18 2.48pm |
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Originally posted by pefwin
US foreign policy has been missed played for decades subsequent to the opportunity of the resolution of the 1st Gulf War. One of the worst was Cheney / Rumsfeld's order to disband the secular Iraqi army after the 2nd pointless war. Obama was a global cluster f*** multipler, ignoring close allies and pursuing an isolationist policy,l no boots on the ground policy, etc. I can't think of a single policy success; perhaps Kenya. Edited by pefwin (11 Mar 2018 2.11pm) Edited by pefwin (11 Mar 2018 2.14pm) I agree with you that's it's been a cluster fcuk regardless of who was on the reigns. My half brother was a commander in one of the Challenger tanks in the first golf war that after....what was basically a rout, was heading towards Baghdad.....which would have led to the overthrow of the regime. A long time ago he told me that General Schwarzkopf came over the radio and he was fuming and swearing liberally as he told them that they had to stand down. He told them that Bush had been told by the gulf states that they would not accept an Hussain overthrow and that they had to stick to the letter of the UN resolution. Schwarzkopf was very pissed off. Does Bush hold ultimate responsibility for allowing the whole s***show to continue and ultimately lead to far higher deaths that necessary? Well, yes.....but not as much as the anti Iranian states.....because essentially that was what the original concern was. But no one saw 911 coming and the resolution of the Bush family to correct the original mistake. Well, Iraq has a brighter future now but a lot of western and other innocent people had to die for it to happen......and it benefits the west in no real degree.
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