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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Dec 21 1.15pm
Originally posted by Spiderman “ reporter was clearly SPECULATING on suggestions they had heard! Heard from who? So wasn’t accurate reporting it was speculation They reported what they had heard and then speculated on what it might imply. It's a reasonable way of posing questions. The very fact that people are now trying to answer them proves that. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 18 Dec 21 1.15pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

“ reporter was clearly SPECULATING on suggestions they had heard! Heard from who? So wasn’t accurate reporting it was speculation

They reported what they had heard and then speculated on what it might imply. It's a reasonable way of posing questions. The very fact that people are now trying to answer them proves that.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Dec 21 1.21pm
Originally posted by Badger11 If the reporter had eye witness's who heard this it is reasonable to report. However as you said yourself he speculated that is not journalism. Since the incident the BBC has failed to produce any evidence to back this up which is why the Jewish community is upset. Shoddy reporting. I don't think so. I think it has opened up a debate which might otherwise not have happened. So long as the journalist was genuinely reporting what they heard, and there is no reason to doubt that, then speculating what the implications may, or may not, be, is perfectly reasonable. Not leaving any stone unturned is good journalism. In my opinion. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 18 Dec 21 1.21pm

Originally posted by Badger11

If the reporter had eye witness's who heard this it is reasonable to report. However as you said yourself he speculated that is not journalism. Since the incident the BBC has failed to produce any evidence to back this up which is why the Jewish community is upset.

Shoddy reporting.

I don't think so. I think it has opened up a debate which might otherwise not have happened. So long as the journalist was genuinely reporting what they heard, and there is no reason to doubt that, then speculating what the implications may, or may not, be, is perfectly reasonable. Not leaving any stone unturned is good journalism. In my opinion.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Badger11 Beckenham 18 Dec 21 1.47pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I don't think so. I think it has opened up a debate which might otherwise not have happened. So long as the journalist was genuinely reporting what they heard, and there is no reason to doubt that, then speculating what the implications may, or may not, be, is perfectly reasonable. Not leaving any stone unturned is good journalism. In my opinion. I ask again from who? Who did this reporter hear it from or is it the Blue Peter school of journalism "here's one I prepared earlier". This is about the quality of the reporting on a subject the BBC must know is controversial "victim blaming jews". If the BBC had said we have an eye witness who does not want to be identified for fear of reprisal so we have hidden their face and voice or their words are read by an actor I would accept that as good journalism. There will be an investigation so we will see what if any evidence the BBC produces. Edited by Badger11 (18 Dec 2021 1.47pm) Edited by Badger11 (18 Dec 2021 2.10pm) Edited by Badger11 (18 Dec 2021 2.10pm) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 18 Dec 21 1.47pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don't think so. I think it has opened up a debate which might otherwise not have happened. So long as the journalist was genuinely reporting what they heard, and there is no reason to doubt that, then speculating what the implications may, or may not, be, is perfectly reasonable. Not leaving any stone unturned is good journalism. In my opinion.

I ask again from who? Who did this reporter hear it from or is it the Blue Peter school of journalism "here's one I prepared earlier".

This is about the quality of the reporting on a subject the BBC must know is controversial "victim blaming jews".

If the BBC had said we have an eye witness who does not want to be identified for fear of reprisal so we have hidden their face and voice or their words are read by an actor I would accept that as good journalism. There will be an investigation so we will see what if any evidence the BBC produces.

Edited by Badger11 (18 Dec 2021 1.47pm)

Edited by Badger11 (18 Dec 2021 2.10pm)

One more point

georgenorman 18 Dec 21 2.29pm
One time national Treasure, John Cleese, now an enemy of the woke. [Link] Edited by georgenorman (18 Dec 2021 2.29pm)

georgenorman

18 Dec 21 2.29pm

One time national Treasure, John Cleese, now an enemy of the woke.
[Link]

Edited by georgenorman (18 Dec 2021 2.29pm)

PalazioVecchio south pole 18 Dec 21 2.33pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I don't think so. I think it has opened up a debate which might otherwise not have happened. So long as the journalist was genuinely reporting what they heard, and there is no reason to doubt that, then speculating what the implications may, or may not, be, is perfectly reasonable. Not leaving any stone unturned is good journalism. In my opinion. people looking for an evenhanded and vaguely balanced News have all migrated away from the BBC. In my opinion. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 18 Dec 21 2.33pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

people looking for an evenhanded and vaguely balanced News have all migrated away from the BBC. In my opinion.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 18 Dec 21 2.36pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I don't think so. I think it has opened up a debate which might otherwise not have happened. So long as the journalist was genuinely reporting what they heard, and there is no reason to doubt that, then speculating what the implications may, or may not, be, is perfectly reasonable. Not leaving any stone unturned is good journalism. In my opinion. Here's the problem I have with that train of thought. Many journalists (for example) in areas of conflict, where direct information is difficult to obtain/unreliable, have been known to discuss issues amongst themselves, after a hard days work, perhaps over a few beers/wines, to reach a coherent and similar report to each other. Perhaps utilising the phrase "information from a reliable source", etc. The conception that a journalist might seek to publish untruthful/controversial information and accusations in order to gain publicity and income££ should be ignored. I disengage, I turn the page.

Forest Hillbilly

in a hidey-hole 18 Dec 21 2.36pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don't think so. I think it has opened up a debate which might otherwise not have happened. So long as the journalist was genuinely reporting what they heard, and there is no reason to doubt that, then speculating what the implications may, or may not, be, is perfectly reasonable. Not leaving any stone unturned is good journalism. In my opinion.

Here's the problem I have with that train of thought.
Many journalists (for example) in areas of conflict, where direct information is difficult to obtain/unreliable, have been known to discuss issues amongst themselves, after a hard days work, perhaps over a few beers/wines, to reach a coherent and similar report to each other. Perhaps utilising the phrase "information from a reliable source", etc.
The conception that a journalist might seek to publish untruthful/controversial information and accusations in order to gain publicity and income££ should be ignored.

I disengage, I turn the page.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Dec 21 3.42pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio people looking for an evenhanded and vaguely balanced News have all migrated away from the BBC. In my opinion. Where on earth do you think anyone can find a better balance? I wait with great anticipation. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 18 Dec 21 3.42pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

people looking for an evenhanded and vaguely balanced News have all migrated away from the BBC. In my opinion.

Where on earth do you think anyone can find a better balance?

I wait with great anticipation.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Dec 21 3.48pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly Here's the problem I have with that train of thought. Many journalists (for example) in areas of conflict, where direct information is difficult to obtain/unreliable, have been known to discuss issues amongst themselves, after a hard days work, perhaps over a few beers/wines, to reach a coherent and similar report to each other. Perhaps utilising the phrase "information from a reliable source", etc. The conception that a journalist might seek to publish untruthful/controversial information and accusations in order to gain publicity and income££ should be ignored. If that proves to be the case, then they should lose their job, and I am quite sure they would. We need to be able to trust our national broadcaster and if, and when it goes wrong, as inevitably it does, know they will take strong action. I trust them, above any other source, and feel ashamed that others don't. They are one of the very few things that we have left we can take any genuine pride in, and it makes me angry to read some of the views expressed here. Those who think of themselves as "patriots" are often no such thing at all. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 18 Dec 21 3.48pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

If that proves to be the case, then they should lose their job, and I am quite sure they would.

We need to be able to trust our national broadcaster and if, and when it goes wrong, as inevitably it does, know they will take strong action.

I trust them, above any other source, and feel ashamed that others don't. They are one of the very few things that we have left we can take any genuine pride in, and it makes me angry to read some of the views expressed here.

Those who think of themselves as "patriots" are often no such thing at all.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Eaglecoops CR3 18 Dec 21 4.17pm
Originally posted by georgenorman One time national Treasure, John Cleese, now an enemy of the woke. [Link] Edited by georgenorman (18 Dec 2021 2.29pm) Just watched that interview. The interviewer had no interest in what it’s original discussion was supposed to be about. Very similar technique to Kuenessberg or whatever her name is who is basically only interested in her own agenda. Cleese saw straight through it and I applaud him for stopping the interview.

Eaglecoops

CR3 18 Dec 21 4.17pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

One time national Treasure, John Cleese, now an enemy of the woke.
[Link]

Edited by georgenorman (18 Dec 2021 2.29pm)

Just watched that interview. The interviewer had no interest in what it’s original discussion was supposed to be about. Very similar technique to Kuenessberg or whatever her name is who is basically only interested in her own agenda. Cleese saw straight through it and I applaud him for stopping the interview.

georgenorman 18 Dec 21 4.40pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Just watched that interview. The interviewer had no interest in what it’s original discussion was supposed to be about. Very similar technique to Kuenessberg or whatever her name is who is basically only interested in her own agenda. Cleese saw straight through it and I applaud him for stopping the interview. Couldn't agree more.

georgenorman

18 Dec 21 4.40pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Couldn't agree more.

Stirlingsays 18 Dec 21 4.59pm
Originally posted by georgenorman One time national Treasure, John Cleese, now an enemy of the woke. [Link] Edited by georgenorman (18 Dec 2021 2.29pm) While obviously I'm completely with him on the woke stuff. I've got to be fair and say that after I watched it I thought Cleese was pretty unfair to her. I didn't think she was unreasonable at all and he was very grumpy. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

18 Dec 21 4.59pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

One time national Treasure, John Cleese, now an enemy of the woke.
[Link]

Edited by georgenorman (18 Dec 2021 2.29pm)

While obviously I'm completely with him on the woke stuff. I've got to be fair and say that after I watched it I thought Cleese was pretty unfair to her. I didn't think she was unreasonable at all and he was very grumpy.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

steeleye20 Croydon 18 Dec 21 6.22pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays While obviously I'm completely with him on the woke stuff. I've got to be fair and say that after I watched it I thought Cleese was pretty unfair to her. I didn't think she was unreasonable at all and he was very grumpy. A rude arrogant self-obsessed old bore. And he ceased to be funny many moons ago.

steeleye20

Croydon 18 Dec 21 6.22pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

A rude arrogant self-obsessed old bore.

And he ceased to be funny many moons ago.

georgenorman 18 Dec 21 7.04pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 A rude arrogant self-obsessed old bore. And he ceased to be funny many moons ago. Don't be so hard on yourself Steeleye.

georgenorman

18 Dec 21 7.04pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

A rude arrogant self-obsessed old bore.

And he ceased to be funny many moons ago.

Don't be so hard on yourself Steeleye.

PalazioVecchio south pole 18 Dec 21 7.15pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Where on earth do you think anyone can find a better balance? Find better balanced minds than the BBC journo's ? try ....the solitary confinement section of Belmarsh prison. Less nutty anyway. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 18 Dec 21 7.15pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Where on earth do you think anyone can find a better balance?

Find better balanced minds than the BBC journo's ?

try ....the solitary confinement section of Belmarsh prison. Less nutty anyway.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Stirlingsays 18 Dec 21 7.17pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio Find better balanced minds than the BBC journo's ? try ....the solitary confinement section of Belmarsh prison. Less nutty anyway. The BBC are largely woke middle class neo liberal snobs......and unsurprisingly enough that constitutes the main bulk of its largest support. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Dec 2021 7.25pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

18 Dec 21 7.17pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Find better balanced minds than the BBC journo's ?

try ....the solitary confinement section of Belmarsh prison. Less nutty anyway.

The BBC are largely woke middle class neo liberal snobs......and unsurprisingly enough that constitutes the main bulk of its largest support.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Dec 2021 7.25pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Spiderman Horsham 18 Dec 21 7.58pm
Originally posted by georgenorman Don't be so hard on yourself Steeleye.

Spiderman

Horsham 18 Dec 21 7.58pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

Don't be so hard on yourself Steeleye.

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 18 Dec 21 8.07pm
BBC beat sky to news lord frost, chief brexit negotiator, has resigned, he couldn"t believe in the spill apparently.

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 18 Dec 21 8.07pm

BBC beat sky to news lord frost, chief brexit negotiator, has resigned, he couldn"t believe in the spill apparently.

Badger11 Beckenham 18 Dec 21 8.28pm
Originally posted by croydon proud BBC beat sky to news lord frost, chief brexit negotiator, has resigned, he couldn"t believe in the spill apparently. Not on the BBC website yet. Other sources are saying the story is coming from the Mail on Sunday. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 18 Dec 21 8.28pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

BBC beat sky to news lord frost, chief brexit negotiator, has resigned, he couldn"t believe in the spill apparently.

Not on the BBC website yet. Other sources are saying the story is coming from the Mail on Sunday.

One more point

Teddy Eagle 18 Dec 21 8.30pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio Find better balanced minds than the BBC journo's ? try ....the solitary confinement section of Belmarsh prison. Less nutty anyway. Fraggle Rock at Brixton could have done that.

Teddy Eagle

18 Dec 21 8.30pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

Find better balanced minds than the BBC journo's ?

try ....the solitary confinement section of Belmarsh prison. Less nutty anyway.

Fraggle Rock at Brixton could have done that.

croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 18 Dec 21 8.36pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Not on the BBC website yet. Other sources are saying the story is coming from the Mail on Sunday. Yeah, thats what bbc said, suprisingly beat sky to the breaking news.

croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 18 Dec 21 8.36pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Not on the BBC website yet. Other sources are saying the story is coming from the Mail on Sunday.

Yeah, thats what bbc said, suprisingly beat sky to the breaking news.

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