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twist Flag Miami, Florida 10 Apr 18 6.32pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I started this thread quite a while ago.

I said early in this thread that Trump won't be impeached over Russian links and we had a few lefty commentators insisting he would be.....actually they were as certain about it as any zealot.

Various tame insults were exchanged......Well, quite a while later and where are we with this impeachment Russia thing?

Nothing.....all the waffle coming from Muller is about other crap....essentially they are looking at Trump desperate to find anything. Trump is apparently not a subject of suspicion.....meaning that in all this time they had nothing meaningful related to Russia.

Remember all the reports....remember all the claims....All the insinuations.....All BS when it was seriously looked at.

Where are those lefty posters now?.....Well rather conveniently nowhere to be found.

It's all pathetic....pretty similar to what Obama was subjected to over a birth certificate.....amusingly partly by Trump himself.

Difference is the Democrats like to portray themselves as morally superior.

Their behaviour since Trump's election has long since put waste to that particular lie.

They aim low, we aim high my frigging foot.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Apr 2018 8.06am)

You are completely missing how American politics work. It does not matter how much dirt they have on him, the only people who can oust him are if the senate and the house impeach him, BOTH.

Currently both are republican controlled. It is unlikely the democrats will take back the house this November, but they might take back the senate. Either way, its unlikely we will see impeachment proceedings unless the republicans get to a point where they believe Trump is doing too much damage to the party image.

There is also the respect for the position of the presidency, other people have to fill the office after he is gone, and there has to be continued world respect for it. If Trump were to have all of his skeletons aired at once in public forcing republican hand to impeach him, the presidency loses something.

As to trumps affairs, who cares, its between him and his wife. The problem with this one though is the payment of the $130,000 and what it means for campaign contributions, and the reason it was paid. It could be construed as breaking campaign laws, according to my lawyer friend who understands the intricacies of said laws at least (i am totally confused by them).


 

Stirlingsays Flag 10 Apr 18 7.04pm

Originally posted by twist

You are completely missing how American politics work. It does not matter how much dirt they have on him, the only people who can oust him are if the senate and the house impeach him, BOTH.

I'm not missing any point.

I made the statement that Trump wouldn't be impeached on Russian collusion and I've pretty much been proven on this. My points were on media bias and to stress the reality that the Russia collusion noise was a over-reach and dishonest portrayal.

In fact I think you are probably missing the point. Trump has many enemies in the Republican party....a party that did just about as much as it could to stop him gaining the candidacy and then maintained a luke warm attitude during his run off with Clinton.

Muller himself is a republican and if there were any significant grounds to impeach this guy there are enough republicans who would vote with the democrats to overturn both houses.

The Republicans could point to these significant grounds as justification to their voters and then they would get Pence, who fits their model far better.


Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Apr 2018 7.08pm)

 


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crystal balls Flag The Garden of Earthly Delights 17 Apr 18 4.35pm

Originally posted by crystal balls

As you are probably aware, the tax cuts are partly intended to encourage US corporations to "repatriate" the trillions of dollars they have sitting in off-shore tax havens and invest the money in US business.

While this has been a failed policy in the past (Bush jnr tried something similar in 2002) it has pushed back the impending recession until probably 2020/21, by which time it is exceedingly unlikely that Trump will still be president, so he won't have to take the rap. He'll most likely go after the mid-terms later this year, as the results will lose Republican control of at least one of the houses, maybe both!

Either way, US debt will rise astronomically with the ratio to GDP reaching totally unrealistic levels. But Trump has run his businesses on the same"too big to fail" debt mountain for years,so why should he run the government any differently?


A tweet from earlier today.....

Mr Meat
April 17 · 03:34:31 PM


As usual the abomination, the grotesque, that six foot pile of puss wearing a human suit is lying through its fat anus face. As reported by CNN:

“Only 13% of companies' tax cut savings will go to pay raises, bonuses and employee benefits, according to a survey of Morgan Stanley analysts released Thursday. 43% will go to investors in the form of stock buybacks and dividends, the analysts predict.

Many businesses have announced splashy tax cut gifts for their workers, including raises, better benefits and big one-time bonus checks. As of Monday, more than 300 companies have announced tax-cut-related bonuses and raises, benefiting 3.5 million U.S. workers, according to the White House. Yet that's a small fraction of the 125.5 million Americans who work for a company.”

Only 3.5 million of 125.5 million workers will get tax cut money from their employers. That’s .0278 percent of the workers. Wow, not even 3% of company employees are getting something from the hundreds of millions given away from our treasury. Also if you look at the roughly 30 million businesses in the US that 300 number is pathetic. So a massive 10% of businesses are giving some to their workers? Well, how magnanimous of them. And if you look at the split between manufacturing and service industry it gets worse. For manufacturing the labor compensation is only 8.9% of the tax cut savings while 46.7% goes to stock buybacks and dividends.

 


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Stuk Flag Top half 17 Apr 18 4.49pm

No idea what your point is or was, but 10% of 30 million is not 300. Nor is 3.5m 0.278% of 125.5m, it's 2.78%

 


Optimistic as ever

Stirlingsays Flag 18 Apr 18 11.31am

Trump's tax changes......I'm not ideologically driven on them either way. I look at results not pre-decide. The way I view them is that this is the one large plank of Trump's campaign that he's managed to get through.

To that end I've always been a believer that a president should be allowed to get the main planks of their programme through as that is what they were elected on and should be judged on.

The America economy is doing well..... and I reject all the salty crap from Trump haters that this has nothing to do with him.

However it is still too soon to say whether Trump's tax changes will improve or damage the US economy. At the moment it looks like it's going to improve US investment into the economy, both in terms of jobs and in terms of stock markets.

It puts the democrats onto the back foot because essentially they will be running on a program of significantly raising taxes.

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 03 May 18 11.09am

Stormy weather ahead for Trump?

 


"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

Stirlingsays Flag 03 May 18 11.12am

Originally posted by pefwin

Stormy weather ahead for Trump?

Democrat desperation.....and considering their history with the male Clinton total hypocrisy.

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 03 May 18 11.33am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Democrat desperation.....and considering their history with the male Clinton total hypocrisy.

Well he has just retained Big Bill's old attorney (wonder the reasoning), and Rudi has dropped him in it big style.

You must remember that the world is not equitable just because the Republican attack on Clinton did not work; it does not mean the old "shower" lover will get a free pass.

 


"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

Stirlingsays Flag 03 May 18 11.45am

Originally posted by pefwin

Well he has just retained Big Bill's old attorney (wonder the reasoning), and Rudi has dropped him in it big style.

You must remember that the world is not equitable just because the Republican attack on Clinton did not work; it does not mean the old "shower" lover will get a free pass.

Equitable? The point is the bare faced hypocrisy of it.

I was completely against the impeachment of Clinton on sexual behaviour. It had nothing to do with his job. I'm not a hypocrite on Trump either.

But like I said early on in this thread, many Democrats don't give a damn about principles. They present themselves as 'going high' but in reality they are just as in the gutter as the worst of them.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 May 2018 11.46am)

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 03 May 18 11.54am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Equitable? The point is the bare faced hypocrisy of it.

I was completely against the impeachment of Clinton on sexual behaviour. It had nothing to do with his job. I'm not a hypocrite on Trump either.

But like I said early on in this thread, many Democrats don't give a damn about principles. They present themselves as 'going high' but in reality they are just as in the gutter as the worst of them.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 May 2018 11.46am)

Did not call you a hypocrite, at least not on this point; just pointing out just because one gets off, it does not mean the other will.

As for the actual behaviour, I don't think it is up to me or you to dictate to the US about their principles' as a fundamentalist Christian society, their social mores are bound to be more prudish than either of ours.

Edited by pefwin (03 May 2018 11.55am)

 


"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

Dannyh.V2 Flag Stone lickers 03 May 18 12.54pm

Snowflakes hate trump therefore I like him.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 03 May 18 1.42pm

Originally posted by Dannyh.V2

Snowflakes hate trump therefore I like him.

I think a lot of his support does come from a reaction against political correctness. Polls show that not many people actually think Trump is a nice guy....that's why this bedding of a brass is just going to bounce off of him (unless he misused funds)....People know what Trump is.

The hyper reactions to him actually firmed his base support. Lots of people are sick of the race based finger pointers and absurd purity testers who dominate the media and the Democrats.

When he won I celebrated.....despite not really supporting any of the main planks that republicans run on.

But then again, Trump isn't a modern republican.....he's a nationalist who's a mixture of old democratic and republican attitudes.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 May 2018 1.46pm)

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Dannyh.V2 Flag Stone lickers 03 May 18 2.11pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think a lot of his support does come from a reaction against political correctness. Polls show that not many people actually think Trump is a nice guy....that's why this bedding of a brass is just going to bounce off of him (unless he misused funds)....People know what Trump is.

The hyper reactions to him actually firmed his base support. Lots of people are sick of the race based finger pointers and absurd purity testers who dominate the media and the Democrats.

When he won I celebrated.....despite not really supporting any of the main planks that republicans run on.

But then again, Trump isn't a modern republican.....he's a nationalist who's a mixture of old democratic and republican attitudes.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 May 2018 1.46pm)

he cracks me up to honest, literally no fcks given. I really do think he's a breath of fresh air, and couldnt give a s*** about all the PC crap that wraps us in its ever tighter hypocritical grip.

Say what you like him, (and people do) but he's the first President to slap Jun-un back in his box and get him talking to the South Koreans, so he can't be that thick as people would suggest.

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 03 May 18 2.17pm

Originally posted by Dannyh.V2

he cracks me up to honest, literally no fcks given. I really do think he's a breath of fresh air, and couldnt give a s*** about all the PC crap that wraps us in its ever tighter hypocritical grip.

Say what you like him, (and people do) but he's the first President to slap Jun-un back in his box and get him talking to the South Koreans, so he can't be that thick as people would suggest.

Yep. Cuddly sofa politics, nah. Women may hate him but if he gets jobs done then crack on.

 


COYP

Stuk Flag Top half 03 May 18 2.18pm

Originally posted by pefwin

Did not call you a hypocrite, at least not on this point; just pointing out just because one gets off, it does not mean the other will.

As for the actual behaviour, I don't think it is up to me or you to dictate to the US about their principles' as a fundamentalist Christian society, their social mores are bound to be more prudish than either of ours.

Edited by pefwin (03 May 2018 11.55am)

Other than their wives no one should give a crap about who they did or didn't f***.

In France it's practically obligatory to have an affair when you get the big job, and no one would blame Macron for doing so.

 


Optimistic as ever

pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 03 May 18 3.03pm

Originally posted by Stuk

Other than their wives no one should give a crap about who they did or didn't f***.

In France it's practically obligatory to have an affair when you get the big job, and no one would blame Macron for doing so.

.........and is part of the French social mores.

 


"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 04 May 18 8.54am

French president calls Aussie PM’s wife 'delicious' [Link]

Remember the media uproar and frothing at the mouth by lefties when President Trump was overheard telling French First Lady Brigitte Macron that she is in 'good shape'? [Link]

One rule for one...

 

Stuk Flag Top half 04 May 18 1.44pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

French president calls Aussie PM’s wife 'delicious' [Link]

Remember the media uproar and frothing at the mouth by lefties when President Trump was overheard telling French First Lady Brigitte Macron that she is in 'good shape'? [Link]

One rule for one...

Slightly different when it's not your first language.

It's a gaffe.

 


Optimistic as ever

Stirlingsays Flag 04 May 18 2.10pm

Still it's right to draw parallels between the treatment of Trump and other foreign presidents and leaders.

Trump's actually doing quite well. The claims against him also seem to have ebbed away.....Yet the silence is deafening.

The mainstream media are very far from objective, yet plenty of them claim to be.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 May 2018 2.12pm)

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stuk Flag Top half 04 May 18 2.20pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Still it's right to draw parallels between the treatment of Trump and other foreign presidents and leaders.

Trump's actually doing quite well. The claims against him also seem to have ebbed away.....Yet the silence is deafening.

The mainstream media are very far from objective, yet plenty of them claim to be.


Edited by Stirlingsays (04 May 2018 2.12pm)

But you're comparing apples with pears by using the BBC for one and the Guardian for another.

BBC on the Trump incident: [Link]

"The US president told France's first lady, Brigitte Macron, she looked beautiful and complimented her figure."

 


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