Thank you, your 1st & 2nd sentences were great info, as for the rest of your post, point scoring? Hmm. I did read that the top copper, said that they couldn't ban the march(es) due to the law as it stands & that it was basically down to the HS. So, who's going to take responsibility or will they blame each other for a gigantic Fcuk up?

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People were running with the 40 beheaded babies claim directly after Hamas's murderous attacks. I didn't feel comfortable with it as I'm now seen how initial reports often include inaccurate information so many times.

However, we only have to look at the footage recovered during the attack to see that they were killing anyone that they could who wasn't taken as a hostage.....I don't think for one moment that children were off the menu.

However, we have to make our own conclusions based on what we see...which from the mainstream media will always be filtered and crafted. The Gaza hospital attack for example. No one really knows who did that and it came down to which side they trusted as to the narrative.

As for the numbers of dead Gazans, that's an estimate of course....however, looking at those flattened buildings and the sheer amount of ordinance the Israelis have dropped the death toll must be horrible.

For me none of this is morally justified on either side and I don't like my government picking sides, simply because this is a war in the middle east....the fact that we have invited huge numbers of Muslims here who feel incredibly angry is the fault of those who supported it.

Elected officials blaming the 'far right' for reacting to a situation that they enable, create and endorse boils my urine.

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The question was not addressed to you. It is a simple question, directed at Georgenorman.

As soon as you've labelled me as part of 'An old leftish ploy', you've lost me, my old, tarnished, bitter friend.

I think a significant number are.

Ha, every public institution has to play at least lip service to woke to some extent, especially the Met which has come in for kick-in after kick-in over recent years.

I suspect the rank and file "fascist mason" copper would raise a quizzical eyebrow to the suggest they are "lefty".

Not fit for purpose is a long way from not independent. One attacks competence on the basis that the agency needs to be brought up to standard. That is, the Home Sec's job. The other alleges partiality based on her personal beliefs.

PS she has had to state her full confidence in the Old Bill possibly as a reaction to the PMs expressed "confidence" in her.

Edited by silvertop (10 Nov 2023 6.45pm)

No fecks given.

You indulge in predictable avoidance and deflection tactics.

Which part of Muslims and their Leftist friends deliberately protesting on Armistice Day did you miss?

Peaceful protest is fine, but not this weekend. That is just provocation. Among those allegedly peaceful protesters will be rent a mob and haters bent on trouble.

What will we get in the Left wing media the morning after?
A load of stories about Far right wing groups and heavy handed police.

If Braverman loses her job for telling the truth, the Tories won't be getting my vote next time.
I hope it causes a massive split in the party and ultimately leads to a new party which can grow in strength over the coming years as people finally wake up to what is happening in this country.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Nov 2023 6.49pm)