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Sportyteacher London 09 Nov 16 1.15pm
Originally posted by Michaelawt85 Not listened to the show but for a country which elected it's first black president 8 years ago I don't believe she was kept from the white house due to her gender. Nor do I believe every one who voted for trump is a racist sexist bigot either. Much more complex reasons for this . We have had Clinton democrat, Bush republican, Obama democrat and now trump so by the law of probabilities in either 4 or 8 years it will be a democrat back in. I wouldn't bet against Michelle Obama having a crack at it YES PLEASE!

Sportyteacher

London 09 Nov 16 1.15pm

Originally posted by Michaelawt85

Not listened to the show but for a country which elected it's first black president 8 years ago I don't believe she was kept from the white house due to her gender. Nor do I believe every one who voted for trump is a racist sexist bigot either. Much more complex reasons for this . We have had Clinton democrat, Bush republican, Obama democrat and now trump so by the law of probabilities in either 4 or 8 years it will be a democrat back in. I wouldn't bet against Michelle Obama having a crack at it

YES PLEASE!

Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 09 Nov 16 1.17pm
Originally posted by Michaelawt85 Not listened to the show but for a country which elected it's first black president 8 years ago I don't believe she was kept from the white house due to her gender. Nor do I believe every one who voted for trump is a racist sexist bigot either. Much more complex reasons for this . We have had Clinton democrat, Bush republican, Obama democrat and now trump so by the law of probabilities in either 4 or 8 years it will be a democrat back in. I wouldn't bet against Michelle Obama having a crack at it Not a bad shout..... Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

Mr_Gristle

In the land of Whelk Eaters 09 Nov 16 1.17pm

Originally posted by Michaelawt85

Not a bad shout.....

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 09 Nov 16 1.21pm
Originally posted by DanH Trump's surge in support came largely from white males without college degrees. Read into that what you will. Firstly I dont think there was a surge in support I think his vote was always stronger than it appeared for the same reason here polls understate the Conservative vote - because of what has been described here as "shy Tories" those that dont want to tell pollsters that they are voting conservative. Secondly from the exit polls I have seen white voters overwhelmingly voted for Trump. He won the Male college educated and the non-college educated vote easily and the non-college-educated women as well. The only demographic that Clinton one was college educated women amongst white votes. The Democrats need to take a long hard look at the message it is sending to middle/working class voters that the prefer Trump

Sedlescombe

Sedlescombe 09 Nov 16 1.21pm

Originally posted by DanH

Trump's surge in support came largely from white males without college degrees. Read into that what you will.

Firstly I dont think there was a surge in support I think his vote was always stronger than it appeared for the same reason here polls understate the Conservative vote - because of what has been described here as "shy Tories" those that dont want to tell pollsters that they are voting conservative.

Secondly from the exit polls I have seen white voters overwhelmingly voted for Trump. He won the Male college educated and the non-college educated vote easily and the non-college-educated women as well. The only demographic that Clinton one was college educated women amongst white votes.

The Democrats need to take a long hard look at the message it is sending to middle/working class voters that the prefer Trump

Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 09 Nov 16 1.23pm
Originally posted by Rubin It's not. I tried to, and had to stop when he partially agreed with a caller who suggested that Hillary wasn't elected because she was a woman. Nothing to do with her numerous criminal and immortal activities then, James. He's as partisan as is possible. Which criminal and immoral matters are they?

Sedlescombe

Sedlescombe 09 Nov 16 1.23pm

Originally posted by Rubin

It's not. I tried to, and had to stop when he partially agreed with a caller who suggested that Hillary wasn't elected because she was a woman. Nothing to do with her numerous criminal and immortal activities then, James. He's as partisan as is possible.

Which criminal and immoral matters are they?

Michaelawt85 Bexley 09 Nov 16 1.24pm
Originally posted by Sedlescombe Firstly I dont think there was a surge in support I think his vote was always stronger than it appeared for the same reason here polls understate the Conservative vote - because of what has been described here as "shy Tories" those that dont want to tell pollsters that they are voting conservative. Secondly from the exit polls I have seen white voters overwhelmingly voted for Trump. He won the Male college educated and the non-college educated vote easily and the non-college-educated women as well. The only demographic that Clinton one was college educated women amongst white votes. The Democrats need to take a long hard look at the message it is sending to middle/working class voters that the prefer Trump When we talk about votes along racial lines I would be interested to hear from anyone black or Hispanic who voted for trump. There must be some somewhere When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC

Michaelawt85

Bexley 09 Nov 16 1.24pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

The Democrats need to take a long hard look at the message it is sending to middle/working class voters that the prefer Trump

When we talk about votes along racial lines I would be interested to hear from anyone black or Hispanic who voted for trump. There must be some somewhere

When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC

jamiemartin721 Reading 09 Nov 16 1.31pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Constitutionally he can't build a wall, or can he? I don't think there is anything in the constitution that would prevent it. The problem is that its got to run across the entire Mexico border, which includes some large lakes if I remember right, and across a number of different states. It'll have to be pretty tall, I'd imagine, and the foundations set pretty deep, and run for 1993 miles in length. Of course you'll still need to patrol it, to prevent people climbing over it, or simply knocking holes in it. The cost to build is probably dwarfed by the cost to maintain it indefinitely. Plus of course you have to accommodate for all the legitimate cross border traffic that occurs as well. We're talking billions a year in maintenance. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 09 Nov 16 1.31pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Constitutionally he can't build a wall, or can he?

I don't think there is anything in the constitution that would prevent it. The problem is that its got to run across the entire Mexico border, which includes some large lakes if I remember right, and across a number of different states.

It'll have to be pretty tall, I'd imagine, and the foundations set pretty deep, and run for 1993 miles in length.

Of course you'll still need to patrol it, to prevent people climbing over it, or simply knocking holes in it.

The cost to build is probably dwarfed by the cost to maintain it indefinitely. Plus of course you have to accommodate for all the legitimate cross border traffic that occurs as well.

We're talking billions a year in maintenance.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 09 Nov 16 1.32pm
Originally posted by Michaelawt85 When we talk about votes along racial lines I would be interested to hear from anyone black or Hispanic who voted for trump. There must be some somewhere Around 8% of black votes and 27% of Latino according to CNN. Almost exactly the same as Romney though Clintons vote was 5% down compared to Obama.

Sedlescombe

Sedlescombe 09 Nov 16 1.32pm

Originally posted by Michaelawt85

When we talk about votes along racial lines I would be interested to hear from anyone black or Hispanic who voted for trump. There must be some somewhere

Around 8% of black votes and 27% of Latino according to CNN. Almost exactly the same as Romney though Clintons vote was 5% down compared to Obama.

paperhat croydon 09 Nov 16 1.32pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I don't think there is anything in the constitution that would prevent it. The problem is that its got to run across the entire Mexico border, which includes some large lakes if I remember right, and across a number of different states. It'll have to be pretty tall, I'd imagine, and the foundations set pretty deep, and run for 1993 miles in length. Of course you'll still need to patrol it, to prevent people climbing over it, or simply knocking holes in it. The cost to build is probably dwarfed by the cost to maintain it indefinitely. Plus of course you have to accommodate for all the legitimate cross border traffic that occurs as well. We're talking billions a year in maintenance. and then you have the countless tunnels that already run under the border. Now I bet Bubba Trump ain't covered that idea. Clinton is Clinton. I have known him for a long time, I know his mother... Simon Jordan

paperhat

croydon 09 Nov 16 1.32pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

It'll have to be pretty tall, I'd imagine, and the foundations set pretty deep, and run for 1993 miles in length.

Of course you'll still need to patrol it, to prevent people climbing over it, or simply knocking holes in it.

The cost to build is probably dwarfed by the cost to maintain it indefinitely. Plus of course you have to accommodate for all the legitimate cross border traffic that occurs as well.

We're talking billions a year in maintenance.

and then you have the countless tunnels that already run under the border. Now I bet Bubba Trump ain't covered that idea.

Clinton is Clinton. I have known him for a long time, I know his mother... Simon Jordan

DanH SW2 09 Nov 16 1.34pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Erm, that many people with a degree think that automatically makes them the keepers of all wisdom and the moral high ground? We all know people like that don't we children? Yay. We really do now live in an age where having an education is seemingly meaningless.

DanH

SW2 09 Nov 16 1.34pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Erm, that many people with a degree think that automatically makes them the keepers of all wisdom and the moral high ground?

We all know people like that don't we children?

Yay. We really do now live in an age where having an education is seemingly meaningless.

Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 09 Nov 16 1.36pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 I don't think there is anything in the constitution that would prevent it. The problem is that its got to run across the entire Mexico border, which includes some large lakes if I remember right, and across a number of different states. It'll have to be pretty tall, I'd imagine, and the foundations set pretty deep, and run for 1993 miles in length. Of course you'll still need to patrol it, to prevent people climbing over it, or simply knocking holes in it. The cost to build is probably dwarfed by the cost to maintain it indefinitely. Plus of course you have to accommodate for all the legitimate cross border traffic that occurs as well. We're talking billions a year in maintenance. He would just need approval from Congress. It will be interesting to see how cooperative Congress is willing to be. Much less party discipline and he has offended a number of Beltway politicians

Sedlescombe

Sedlescombe 09 Nov 16 1.36pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

It'll have to be pretty tall, I'd imagine, and the foundations set pretty deep, and run for 1993 miles in length.

Of course you'll still need to patrol it, to prevent people climbing over it, or simply knocking holes in it.

The cost to build is probably dwarfed by the cost to maintain it indefinitely. Plus of course you have to accommodate for all the legitimate cross border traffic that occurs as well.

We're talking billions a year in maintenance.

He would just need approval from Congress. It will be interesting to see how cooperative Congress is willing to be. Much less party discipline and he has offended a number of Beltway politicians

Rubin 09 Nov 16 1.46pm
Originally posted by Sedlescombe Which criminal and immoral matters are they? Wikileaks that have come out over the last month, email scandal (people have gone to prison for doing 20% of what she has), Benghazi, russian uranium deal, Haiti, taking money from Saudi whilst claiming to be for women and gay rights, pay for play, strangely large speech payments from Wall Street etc...

Rubin

09 Nov 16 1.46pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

Which criminal and immoral matters are they?

Wikileaks that have come out over the last month, email scandal (people have gone to prison for doing 20% of what she has), Benghazi, russian uranium deal, Haiti, taking money from Saudi whilst claiming to be for women and gay rights, pay for play, strangely large speech payments from Wall Street etc...

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 09 Nov 16 1.48pm
Originally posted by Michaelawt85 He said he would work for the disenfranchised. Those who had been forgotten about and left behind without any prospects. Because he wasn't a career politician this was seen as an asset. They voted for him because he spoke to them and gave them hope. Wonder how Bernie Sanders, who also speaks for the disenfranchised, forgotten about and left behind, would have done compared to Clinton.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 09 Nov 16 1.48pm

Originally posted by Michaelawt85

He said he would work for the disenfranchised. Those who had been forgotten about and left behind without any prospects. Because he wasn't a career politician this was seen as an asset. They voted for him because he spoke to them and gave them hope.

Wonder how Bernie Sanders, who also speaks for the disenfranchised, forgotten about and left behind, would have done compared to Clinton.

DanH SW2 09 Nov 16 1.48pm
Originally posted by Sedlescombe Firstly I dont think there was a surge in support I think his vote was always stronger than it appeared for the same reason here polls understate the Conservative vote - because of what has been described here as "shy Tories" those that dont want to tell pollsters that they are voting conservative. Secondly from the exit polls I have seen white voters overwhelmingly voted for Trump. He won the Male college educated and the non-college educated vote easily and the non-college-educated women as well. The only demographic that Clinton one was college educated women amongst white votes. The Democrats need to take a long hard look at the message it is sending to middle/working class voters that the prefer Trump Looking at the vote breakdown the lower income voters voted for Hilary over Trump. The demographic with the highest proportion of voters for Trump is white males with an income of £50,000 to $99,999 looking at the stats.

DanH

SW2 09 Nov 16 1.48pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

The Democrats need to take a long hard look at the message it is sending to middle/working class voters that the prefer Trump

Looking at the vote breakdown the lower income voters voted for Hilary over Trump. The demographic with the highest proportion of voters for Trump is white males with an income of £50,000 to $99,999 looking at the stats.

Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 09 Nov 16 1.51pm
Originally posted by Rubin Wikileaks that have come out over the last month, email scandal (people have gone to prison for doing 20% of what she has), Benghazi, russian uranium deal, Haiti, taking money from Saudi whilst claiming to be for women and gay rights, pay for play, strangely large speech payments from Wall Street etc... She has been stupid but broken no laws She along with Bill has been investigated countless times for a variety of crimes from sexual assault to misappropriation of funds along with god knows what else. Bugger all has been proven. the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 09 Nov 16 1.51pm

Originally posted by Rubin

She has been stupid but broken no laws

She along with Bill has been investigated countless times for a variety of crimes from sexual assault to misappropriation of funds along with god knows what else. Bugger all has been proven.

the dignified don't even enter in the game

Michaelawt85 Bexley 09 Nov 16 1.58pm
Originally posted by Sedlescombe Around 8% of black votes and 27% of Latino according to CNN. Almost exactly the same as Romney though Clintons vote was 5% down compared to Obama. Thanks . My news watching has been hijacked my my children watching cartoons. The point I was making is I wonder what makes someone black or Hispanic vote for someone who is seemingly racist . On reflection it would be just as interesting to hear from those who switched from democrat to republican in this election. What their reasons were from the horses mouth rather than what the news papers are printing When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC

Michaelawt85

Bexley 09 Nov 16 1.58pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

Around 8% of black votes and 27% of Latino according to CNN. Almost exactly the same as Romney though Clintons vote was 5% down compared to Obama.

Thanks . My news watching has been hijacked my my children watching cartoons. The point I was making is I wonder what makes someone black or Hispanic vote for someone who is seemingly racist . On reflection it would be just as interesting to hear from those who switched from democrat to republican in this election. What their reasons were from the horses mouth rather than what the news papers are printing

When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC

regal_eagle somewhere 09 Nov 16 2.01pm
Originally posted by mezzer Get your money on Michelle Obama as next US President now. At the weekend I was going to put money on Ivanka Trump being first female President, but now reckon it will be an Ivanka vs Michelle showdown. You've gotta feel for all the bookies that paid out on Hillary a couple of weeks ago

regal_eagle

somewhere 09 Nov 16 2.01pm

Originally posted by mezzer

Get your money on Michelle Obama as next US President now.

At the weekend I was going to put money on Ivanka Trump being first female President, but now reckon it will be an Ivanka vs Michelle showdown.

You've gotta feel for all the bookies that paid out on Hillary a couple of weeks ago

Rubin 09 Nov 16 2.01pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch She has been stupid but broken no laws She along with Bill has been investigated countless times for a variety of crimes from sexual assault to misappropriation of funds along with god knows what else. Bugger all has been proven. We'll have to wait and see what happens over the coming years, once the investigation has been finished. The FBI have never closed it. Bill Clinton paid off one of the rape victims with $800,000 back when that was a lot of money, although that side of things wasn't bought up in my list. She also defended the rapist of a 12 year old by smearing the victim, and has laughed about it in recordings since.

Rubin

09 Nov 16 2.01pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

She has been stupid but broken no laws

She along with Bill has been investigated countless times for a variety of crimes from sexual assault to misappropriation of funds along with god knows what else. Bugger all has been proven.

We'll have to wait and see what happens over the coming years, once the investigation has been finished. The FBI have never closed it.

Bill Clinton paid off one of the rape victims with $800,000 back when that was a lot of money, although that side of things wasn't bought up in my list. She also defended the rapist of a 12 year old by smearing the victim, and has laughed about it in recordings since.

Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 09 Nov 16 2.02pm
Originally posted by Rubin Wikileaks that have come out over the last month, email scandal (people have gone to prison for doing 20% of what she has), Benghazi, russian uranium deal, Haiti, taking money from Saudi whilst claiming to be for women and gay rights, pay for play, strangely large speech payments from Wall Street etc... Regarding the Criminal I am happier to leave it to the FBI than your assertions. It has been investigated and the Republican who was in charge of the FBI has said there is nothing to charge her over. I have also read - though dont know if it has been verified that Powell and Rice did the same thing. in any case it is unacceptable though apparently not illegal accoring to the Republican in charge of the FBI As for Immoral? Quite a lot of her opponents are paid for speeches. Personally I would have trouble supporting her against almost anyone given her contributions from Wall Street and Corporate America but thats more a criticism of the way the US political system works where politicians spend half their day fundraising from the richest people which rather skews their views because that is who they are speaking to. Most of the rest you are just throwing mud even taking the Saudi cash would depend on how the cash was used. Tell me what you think she should have done differently regarding Benghazi rather than just copying and pasting other peoples partisan assertions. Why not throw in all those accusations of murder that follow her around

Sedlescombe

Sedlescombe 09 Nov 16 2.02pm

Originally posted by Rubin

Regarding the Criminal I am happier to leave it to the FBI than your assertions. It has been investigated and the Republican who was in charge of the FBI has said there is nothing to charge her over. I have also read - though dont know if it has been verified that Powell and Rice did the same thing. in any case it is unacceptable though apparently not illegal accoring to the Republican in charge of the FBI

As for Immoral? Quite a lot of her opponents are paid for speeches. Personally I would have trouble supporting her against almost anyone given her contributions from Wall Street and Corporate America but thats more a criticism of the way the US political system works where politicians spend half their day fundraising from the richest people which rather skews their views because that is who they are speaking to. Most of the rest you are just throwing mud even taking the Saudi cash would depend on how the cash was used.

Tell me what you think she should have done differently regarding Benghazi rather than just copying and pasting other peoples partisan assertions. Why not throw in all those accusations of murder that follow her around

dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 09 Nov 16 2.07pm
BRITAIN : "voting for Brexit was the most idiotic thing the world has ever seen" USA : "Hold my drink". "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

dannyh

wherever I lay my hat....... 09 Nov 16 2.07pm

BRITAIN : "voting for Brexit was the most idiotic thing the world has ever seen"

USA : "Hold my drink".

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

Henry of Peckham Eton Mess 09 Nov 16 2.14pm
Could simply be that people were ready for a change but didn't think Hillary could offer anything different? She is not exactly "Snow White" anyway. Also, it has always been claimed that the older white male population were the ones most likely to vote. Perhaps all those who might have been offended by rascist or sexist comments in the run in didn't turn out in sufficient numbers to register their protest vote? I notice our stock market is not particularly bothered by the result and sterling has appreciated only 0.3% against the dollar. Edited by Henry of Peckham (09 Nov 2016 2.19pm) Denial is not just a river in Egypt

Henry of Peckham

Eton Mess 09 Nov 16 2.14pm

Could simply be that people were ready for a change but didn't think Hillary could offer anything different? She is not exactly "Snow White" anyway.

Also, it has always been claimed that the older white male population were the ones most likely to vote. Perhaps all those who might have been offended by rascist or sexist comments in the run in didn't turn out in sufficient numbers to register their protest vote?

I notice our stock market is not particularly bothered by the result and sterling has appreciated only 0.3% against the dollar.

Edited by Henry of Peckham (09 Nov 2016 2.19pm)

Denial is not just a river in Egypt

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