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hedgehog50  Croydon 25 Sep 17 4.11pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Pretty good move. Why have a public ROW about Brexit at this moment in time? We don't really have a Scooby as to what it entails anyway. Theres a broad range of Remainers and leavers in both parties. Labour can say that Theresa May has endorsed their idea for a transition period but the ball is in the Tories court. They were the ones that brought about Brexit, they are the ones who are in charge. It's good that delegates get to choose the agenda. Labour is a grassroots organization. It's only right that rank and file members have a say. What does that mean?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Sep 17 4.16pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
What does that mean? It's lead by it's members. They set the agenda.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 25 Sep 17 4.19pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
It's lead by it's members. They set the agenda. But many of them are crypto-communists.
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 steeleye20 Croydon 25 Sep 17 4.25pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
It's lead by it's members. They set the agenda. They don't set the agenda for what the public thinks of labour again ducking the foremost subject of our age. How then would they govern, by completely ignoring brexit?
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 25 Sep 17 4.41pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
They don't set the agenda for what the public thinks of labour again ducking the foremost subject of our age. How then would they govern, by completely ignoring brexit? I think Labour are potentially more split over the EU than the Tories. There is a strong anti-EU left wing element (that Corbyn used to be openly part of). Then you have the real hardcore Remainers in the party too (Lib Dems in red clothing).
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Sep 17 4.48pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
I think Labour are potentially more split over the EU than the Tories. There is a strong anti-EU left wing element (that Corbyn used to be openly part of). Then you have the real hardcore Remainers in the party too (Lib Dems in red clothing). Which is why it is the politically astute thing to do.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Sep 17 4.53pm |
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| .TUX. 25 Sep 17 5.03pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
They don't set the agenda for what the public thinks of labour again ducking the foremost subject of our age. How then would they govern, by completely ignoring brexit? Hardly. As for Labour not mentioning it? Because there's absolutely no point at this moment in time.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 25 Sep 17 5.06pm |
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I am thinking Phillip Hammond as next PM as a sane candidate and a narrow Tory win next time. Anyone think the same?
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| JRW2 Dulwich 25 Sep 17 5.17pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Pretty good move. Why have a public ROW about Brexit at this moment in time? We don't really have a Scooby as to what it entails anyway. Theres a broad range of Remainers and leavers in both parties. Labour can say that Theresa May has endorsed their idea for a transition period but the ball is in the Tories court. They were the ones that brought about Brexit, they are the ones who are in charge. It's good that delegates get to choose the agenda. Labour is a grassroots organization. It's only right that rank and file members have a say. I'd like to be fair to Labour. I know they're pretty short on grey matter, but surely even they can't be so gullible as to believe that if they blatantly refuse to discuss the biggest political issue of the day at their annual Conference, the public won't see that it's because they're trying to hide the split in the Party. Politicians who treat the electorate like fools - as people like McDonnell have been doing today - do so at their peril.
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leifandersonshair  Newport 25 Sep 17 5.19pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
I am thinking Phillip Hammond as next PM as a sane candidate and a narrow Tory win next time. Anyone think the same? No. Hammond marginally more bearable to the average voter than Mogg or Johnson, but will have the same issue Gordon Brown had- hard to be seen as a capable leader when your time as chancellor was pretty poor (austerity, rocketing debt, stagnating wages- rightly or wrongly, as chancellor EVERYTHING to do with the economy becomes your fault).
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Sep 17 5.21pm |
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Originally posted by JRW2
I'd like to be fair to Labour. I know they're pretty short on grey matter, but surely even they can't be so gullible as to believe that if they blatantly refuse to discuss the biggest political issue of the day at their annual Conference, the public won't see that it's because they're trying to hide the split in the Party. Politicians who treat the electorate like fools - as people like McDonnell have been doing today - do so at their peril. how has McDonnell been treating the electorate like fools today? Edited by nickgusset (25 Sep 2017 5.32pm)
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