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Hutchyeagle Flag Hove 01 Sep 19 6.57pm

Evidently VAR was used to check whether Grealish
dived and after checking the decision to book him was upheld and not to award a penalty

Surely a panel of qualified referees with video evidence couldn’t get it
wrong

 

Putitout Flag Oxford 01 Sep 19 7.11pm

Originally posted by Hutchyeagle

Evidently VAR was used to check whether Grealish
dived and after checking the decision to book him was upheld and not to award a penalty

Surely a panel of qualified referees with video evidence couldn’t get it
wrong

Going by the reaction of the press in general, and several high profile ex players. All that VAR does is gives us more referees ,to accuse of not having a clue.
A lot of this ,seems to be based on Palaces popularity rating, Whats new?

 

Curlyeagle 2 Flag Crowborogh 01 Sep 19 7.20pm

Originally posted by Putitout

Going by the reaction of the press in general, and several high profile ex players. All that VAR does is gives us more referees ,to accuse of not having a clue.
A lot of this ,seems to be based on Palaces popularity rating, Whats new?

Palace popularity is poor and I thought Match of the Day was shocking! Not a word about the game or how Palace dominated for most just all about the penalty claim.

I also feel that the boy Grealish will make a rod for his own back. Although a talented player he is petulant and spends a large majority of the game on his arse! This in itself makes it very difficult for referees to decide if it’s a genuine foul or if he’s throwing himself to the floor.
In my opinion they got it spot on re the penalty, minimal contact if any just Grealish throwing himself to the floor whilst running at pace.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Sep 19 7.44pm

Just read the following :

In a statement, the Premier League said: "The referee considered that Jack Grealish committed an act of simulation in the penalty area, and blew his whistle to stop the game before the ball went into goal.

"Under the Ifab protocol the video assistant referee system (VAR) is allowed to review the potential penalty situation. Having reviewed the incident the VAR judged that no 'clear and obvious' error had occurred and the on-field decision of simulation remained.

"The VAR was unable to check the 'goal' because the whistle went before the ball went into the net."

On the 'Sunday Supplement' one of the panelists said that as the referee had blown, VAR was not used as they don't want to re-referee games but this is at variance with the PL statement.
I do get the impression that the general public are totally confused as to when VAR is used or not.

 

Putitout Flag Oxford 01 Sep 19 8.06pm

Maybe all this comment regarding , the goal that wasn’t proves . Is that no matter the technology, the experience of various officials involved. Gary and the lads know better. Which can only mean . No matter how hard anyone try’s to satisfy every punter. It won’t ever happen. Because you can’t allow for bias.

 

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 01 Sep 19 8.11pm

What kind of f***ing wimp never gets booked?

 


Red and Blue Army!

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 01 Sep 19 8.15pm

Maybe it’s a case of they can’t be sure it’s a penalty. The ref made the error of blowing his whistle, although he thought he’d dived because Grealish kept going to ground everywhere.

 


COYP

Teddy Eagle Flag 01 Sep 19 8.51pm


A couple of pundits have said that he didn’t dive as he didn’t appeal for anything. Presumably a player who’s been kicked up in the air and is prone in the ground holding a broken ankle should get his appeal in before anything else.

 

Superhorns3 Flag Harpdenden 01 Sep 19 9.41pm

Maybe a sign of the times though as usually do appeal for anything now!

They also said he played on so wasn't expecting a foul.

Would he have done if Lansbury wasn't free on goal ?

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 01 Sep 19 10.40pm

I haven't seen MOTD so not heard the comments there but I have just watched the highlights on the Palace site and the "incident" several times, frame by frame.

I think the ref got it spot on. It looks at normal speed as though he was fouled outside the box by Zaha, but in fact he wasn't touched and as Zaha was trying to back off him he threw himself forward, continuing him momentum and colliding with Cahill.

I also read a piece on a Birmingham newspaper website by a local journalist who suggested Grealish only has himself to blame because he does the same thing all the time.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 01 Sep 19 10.55pm


There’s another point here though - how is the impartiality of the referee affected if he’s making decisions based on a players reputation?

 

Mapletree Flag Croydon 01 Sep 19 11.17pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


There’s another point here though - how is the impartiality of the referee affected if he’s making decisions based on a players reputation?

That isn’t what was said

As he has history refs look out for this. It’s a known modus operandi

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 01 Sep 19 11.31pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

That isn’t what was said

As he has history refs look out for this. It’s a known modus operandi

Well it is what was said because I said it. Refs also knew they’d be surrounded by a mob of angry Man U players over any decision. Didn’t mean they did anything about it though.

 

Putitout Flag Oxford 02 Sep 19 11.15am

Looking at this a few times ,from Friends angle, which was behind the incident. It was clear that even allowing for Wilfs little bit of contact, Grealish ploughed on, he even put his hip and leg into Cahill, so as to make it a bigger contact than was actually the case. Before not falling in a heap, but leaping forward for max effect. Friend had already bought it more than once, he obviously got a better look at the technic behind it this time.

 

maddog Flag Wiltshire 02 Sep 19 2.03pm

MOTD were pretty clueless really. Their's was the "howler".

It ought to be obvious why once the referee blows his whistle play has stopped - VAR hasn't changed that. Since the ball went in the net after play had stopped whatever else it was, it was NOT A GOAL. This is basic stuff!

Lineker & Co were certain the referee was mistaken in thinking Grealish dived - but gave no proper reason why. Jermaine Jenas said he couldn't have dived because he passed the ball - bizarre logic! If anything it shows it was a dive since Grealish was stable enough to pass the ball but apparently not to stay on his feet.

There was no contact on Grealish in the box - no one touched him until he dived at Gary Cahill. There was possible contact from Zaha outside the box. But a free kick decision is NOT within the scope of VAR - so VAR could not have overturned the referee's decision not to give a free kick.

It's possible that Villa should have got a free kick. But no one in the studio consider this and we didn't see any close ups to check if there was actually contact from Zaha. Most games have several controversial free kick decisions with barely a mention from the MOTD studio - these hysterics were so OTT.

Tim Cahill said that the referee should have allowed play to continue. Is that a new rule that Tim C has invented? The infringement was by Villa player and there was clearly no advantage to Palace from allowing play to continue so why wouldn't a referee stop play? Apparently so that VAR can reverse his decision. That's not a rule that I am aware of - have I missed something ?

So Villa may have cause to feel aggrieved that they didn't get a free kick in a very dangerous position - but nothing more than that. 1-0

 

eaglesdare Flag 02 Sep 19 2.12pm

Originally posted by Curlyeagle 2

Palace popularity is poor and I thought Match of the Day was shocking! Not a word about the game or how Palace dominated for most just all about the penalty claim.

I also feel that the boy Grealish will make a rod for his own back. Although a talented player he is petulant and spends a large majority of the game on his arse! This in itself makes it very difficult for referees to decide if it’s a genuine foul or if he’s throwing himself to the floor.
In my opinion they got it spot on re the penalty, minimal contact if any just Grealish throwing himself to the floor whilst running at pace.

reminds me of wilf :P

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 02 Sep 19 2.12pm

Originally posted by maddog

MOTD were pretty clueless really. Their's was the "howler".

It ought to be obvious why once the referee blows his whistle play has stopped - VAR hasn't changed that. Since the ball went in the net after play had stopped whatever else it was, it was NOT A GOAL. This is basic stuff!

Lineker & Co were certain the referee was mistaken in thinking Grealish dived - but gave no proper reason why. Jermaine Jenas said he couldn't have dived because he passed the ball - bizarre logic! If anything it shows it was a dive since Grealish was stable enough to pass the ball but apparently not to stay on his feet.

There was no contact on Grealish in the box - no one touched him until he dived at Gary Cahill. There was possible contact from Zaha outside the box. But a free kick decision is NOT within the scope of VAR - so VAR could not have overturned the referee's decision not to give a free kick.

It's possible that Villa should have got a free kick. But no one in the studio consider this and we didn't see any close ups to check if there was actually contact from Zaha. Most games have several controversial free kick decisions with barely a mention from the MOTD studio - these hysterics were so OTT.

Tim Cahill said that the referee should have allowed play to continue. Is that a new rule that Tim C has invented? The infringement was by Villa player and there was clearly no advantage to Palace from allowing play to continue so why wouldn't a referee stop play? Apparently so that VAR can reverse his decision. That's not a rule that I am aware of - have I missed something ?

So Villa may have cause to feel aggrieved that they didn't get a free kick in a very dangerous position - but nothing more than that. 1-0

I wholehearted concur, in fact I posted comments to this effect but just not quite so eloquently.
Some pundits make fools of themselves with their hogwash and lack of knowledge of the laws.

 

maddog Flag Wiltshire 02 Sep 19 3.02pm

Ironically if Grealish had stayed on his feet it would have ended 1-1. Villa fans should feel aggrieved by Grealish diving - he cost them the game.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 02 Sep 19 3.08pm

Originally posted by maddog

Ironically if Grealish had stayed on his feet it would have ended 1-1. Villa fans should feel aggrieved by Grealish diving - he cost them the game.

Perhaps our players having heard a whistle never made strenuous efforts to keep out the shot.Just a thought, I don't know for certain if this was the case.

At the end of the day, it would have been an injustice if A.Villa got a draw.I expected more of them.

 

YT Flag Oxford 02 Sep 19 4.44pm

Originally posted by Willo

I wholehearted concur, in fact I posted comments to this effect but just not quite so eloquently.
Some pundits make fools of themselves with their hogwash and lack of knowledge of the laws.

So do I and so have I. I believe I was the first to highlight the nonsense spouted by T Cahill

The PL statement does make sense. In short, VAR didn't review per se whether Grealish dove; it checked whether there was any cause to award a penalty. Although the two things are effectively rolled into one on this occasion, they are two distinctly different issues.

 


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