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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Sep 19 11.26am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by YT

Many people of Willo's 'vintage' will have parted company with their tonsils in childhood. Obviously he escaped the 'cut' that was more commonplace then than it is now.

I never escaped another cut when I was newly born - no skin off my nose.But let's not turn this into a Willo thread.

Returning to Grealish, the A,Villa chap claimed he was the most fouled player in the PL - after 4 games !!
If a player keeps going to ground on a regular basis this can influence referees into awarding free kicks.
'Bellyflop' Grealish never fooled the referee on this occasion.

 

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View Uphill's Profile Uphill Flag Bedford 03 Sep 19 2.30pm Send a Private Message to Uphill Add Uphill as a friend

I have just one question on this topic.

If the boot was on the other foot (so to speak) and we were 0-1 down in added time and the same thing happened to Zaha, what would our feelings be?
Exactly the same as how Villa feel now I'd suggest.

Many refs would have given a penalty. I just think the ref. froze and didn't wish to incur the wrath of the home crowd. I think maybe the VAR ref. also flunked it.

I expect Grealish and Zaha will vie for the title of 'most fouled player' this season. Zaha has calmed down, Grealish has not but a few more bookings will
do it, just like it has for Zaha.

If we had bought Grealish with the AWB money our prospects would be rosier. I doubt if we will still be in the top ten after 12 games as our two wins were 'ref-assisted' About time the wheel of fortune has changed many will say ...

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag Kent 03 Sep 19 2.57pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Uphill

I have just one question on this topic.

If the boot was on the other foot (so to speak) and we were 0-1 down in added time and the same thing happened to Zaha, what would our feelings be?
Exactly the same as how Villa feel now I'd suggest.

Many refs would have given a penalty. I just think the ref. froze and didn't wish to incur the wrath of the home crowd. I think maybe the VAR ref. also flunked it.

I expect Grealish and Zaha will vie for the title of 'most fouled player' this season. Zaha has calmed down, Grealish has not but a few more bookings will
do it, just like it has for Zaha.

If we had bought Grealish with the AWB money our prospects would be rosier. I doubt if we will still be in the top ten after 12 games as our two wins were 'ref-assisted' About time the wheel of fortune has changed many will say ...

Extremely depressing and somewhat bizarre post in my opinion.

When I watched the incident on MOTD (I had left just before 90 mins to catch train) I thought we were very fortunate. In hindsight however, I don't think the ref has bottled it at all and neither has the VAR team.

Zaha makes contact with him outside of the box and even so would be a very soft FK as he is not going down from it and carries on, more importantly Cahill makes no contact with Grealish and despite passing the ball and being on his feet he clearly throws himself to the floor in the most dramatic of fashions, presumably thinking a pen is on the cards. He therefore gambled with trying to win a penalty and has been rightly penalised for it. Worse still, he has robbed his team and team mate of a goal.

I am obviously going to have some bias however I have acknowledged Zaha's guilt of playing to much for a pen before and even in situations where he should have stayed on his feet or done something with the ball. If the shoe were on the other foot, I'd be fuming with Wilf once again and have to stomach that the decision is probably correct.

Very true it a different decision could easily of been given however that is not the case and the ref got it right. Grealish attempted to cheat as many players do every week and ballsed up everything for everyone in claret and blue that day. Also massively over-hyped, was crap in PL before and had a half decent season in championship, do not get too excited.

With regards to luck, in comes in and out numerous times over the courses of matches and whos to say what will happen in forthcoming fixtures.

 

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag People's Republic of Gozo 03 Sep 19 3.04pm Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

We have the Harry Kane School of Diving up after the international break, so we may well see our fortunes turn for the worse. Not a great day to be Grealish, anyway, seeing as he was also partly at fault for our goal

 

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View topcat's Profile topcat Flag Holmesdale / Surbiton 03 Sep 19 3.21pm Send a Private Message to topcat Add topcat as a friend

Originally posted by Uphill

I have just one question on this topic.

If the boot was on the other foot (so to speak) and we were 0-1 down in added time and the same thing happened to Zaha, what would our feelings be?
Exactly the same as how Villa feel now I'd suggest.

Many refs would have given a penalty. I just think the ref. froze and didn't wish to incur the wrath of the home crowd. I think maybe the VAR ref. also flunked it.

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I could understand a free-kick being given for the Zaha touch to the back but never a penalty. The ref had a very good view.

 


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View Chubskip's Profile Chubskip Flag 03 Sep 19 5.52pm Send a Private Message to Chubskip Add Chubskip as a friend

Time to let it go. If it was us I dare say I would feel robbed, but moaning about this still three days after is ridiculous. In fact running up to the officials after the decision has been made or at the end of the game changes nothing. We should take a leaf from the Aussie cricket skipper who just said after Stokes was not given LBW that the decision is made. Time to move on

 

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View PALACE FOR EVER's Profile PALACE FOR EVER Flag London 03 Sep 19 6.46pm Send a Private Message to PALACE FOR EVER Add PALACE FOR EVER as a friend

For me the main reason that Jenas (a past footballer of course) got so annoyed/worked up was the suggestion that a dive took place.

 


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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 04 Sep 19 9.40pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by Curlyeagle 2

Palace popularity is poor and I thought Match of the Day was shocking! Not a word about the game or how Palace dominated for most just all about the penalty claim.

I also feel that the boy Grealish will make a rod for his own back. Although a talented player he is petulant and spends a large majority of the game on his arse! This in itself makes it very difficult for referees to decide if itís a genuine foul or if heís throwing himself to the floor.
In my opinion they got it spot on re the penalty, minimal contact if any just Grealish throwing himself to the floor whilst running at pace.

..when not on the pitch in front of the mirror.

Edited by Tickled pink (04 Sep 2019 9.41pm)

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 04 Sep 19 9.54pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by Uphill

I have just one question on this topic.

If the boot was on the other foot (so to speak) and we were 0-1 down in added time and the same thing happened to Zaha, what would our feelings be?
Exactly the same as how Villa feel now I'd suggest.

Many refs would have given a penalty. I just think the ref. froze and didn't wish to incur the wrath of the home crowd. I think maybe the VAR ref. also flunked it.

I expect Grealish and Zaha will vie for the title of 'most fouled player' this season. Zaha has calmed down, Grealish has not but a few more bookings will
do it, just like it has for Zaha.

If we had bought Grealish with the AWB money our prospects would be rosier. I doubt if we will still be in the top ten after 12 games as our two wins were 'ref-assisted' About time the wheel of fortune has changed many will say ...

No, the majority would all realise how lucky we were to have not been four nil down.

 

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View steven_t92's Profile steven_t92 Flag Orpington 05 Sep 19 7.00am Send a Private Message to steven_t92 Add steven_t92 as a friend

The rose tinted goggles are being worn in this thread.

He passed the ball before clattering into cahill (which did happen). Didnt go down under the touch from zaha, it was the cahill contact that sent them both to the ground. In essence theres no "dive" before he plays the ball to lansbury, which if he was trying to win a penalty he wouldn't have played the ball like that.

It was a goal, referee got it wrong, var got it wrong and we got incredibly lucky!

 

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View Gary St.Andrews's Profile Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 06 Oct 19 10.43am Send a Private Message to Gary St.Andrews Add Gary St.Andrews as a friend

This post has been merged from a topic called 'VAR so far...' by bexleydave

I couldnít see if there was anything posted on this, but we have had a few games to get used to the system and at the moment the decisions seem to have gone our way. You can bet your life we will be on the wrong end of one soon, but whatís everyoneís feeling, personally I donít like it, the winner against West Ham took way to long to be decided?

I thought the goal looked on side and Jordon Ayew certainly did, that linesman was bang in line and flagged due to West Ham fan pressure behind him....

 

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View Bangell's Profile Bangell Flag Oxford 06 Oct 19 10.56am Send a Private Message to Bangell Add Bangell as a friend

This post has been merged from a topic called 'VAR so far...' by bexleydave

Looks very precise when they're analysing the freeze-frames, but VAR has a margin of error that means decisions like the one yesterday, with centimetres in it, are pretty arbitrary. I'll happily take the goal, but going to VAR to overturn non-obvious errors doesn't lead to the correct decision, it's just adding another element of fortune for one team or the other.

Given this and the fact that the system takes so long and drains so much energy from the game and the stands, I'm sure there will be a re-think of how it's implemented next season.

 

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