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Originally posted by cryrst
Trump mentioned the army and the dems baited him to do it. He didnt so the dems let it carry on. He did more than just threaten! He sent federal law enforcement officers to several cities, against the wishes of the Governors. I have no idea what you mean by " a cloaked part of antifa". So far as I am aware antifa has no overarching organisational structure. It is simply an idea with loose groupings of like-minded people. Most Democrats, and indeed many decent Republicans, are going to harbour anti-fascist sentiments. Which is all that lies at the heart of antifa. That some on the fringes use that sentiment as an excuse to promote either violence, criminal activity or extreme left-wing views is very regrettable. That doesn't though mean that everyone involved can be tarnished with the same brush.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Your opinions are so absurd that I have to keep convincing myself that you are not a troll. You would defend anything that supports your perverse mindset. Coming from you, whose views are often so bizarre as to cause me to laugh out loud, I regard that as a compliment. If you think they are absurd then that proves I must be on the right track. So thanks.
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Originally posted by tonymikejoe
Unfortunately the football commentators are now putting their own incorrect and biased spin on pre-match kneeling. They will make a pompous announcement along the lines of: "The players of both teams continue to show their commitment to ending racism." Garbage. They are showing their support of BLM, which on Page One of their manifesto vow to 'end white priviliege'. Wow. How many groups publicly declare they are targeting a specific racial group with the aim of diminishing them? Remember, it is their definition of 'white privilege' so will be horribly biased and discriminatory. When does the destruction end? Sistine Chapel?: Paint over it. Black. Eiffel Tower?: Dismantle it. Statue of Liberty?: Tear it down. Will it ever come to this? I hope not, but someone has to make a stand now. Edited by tonymikejoe (03 Jan 2021 10.23pm) Your claims were all dismantled and proved incorrect in the first 75 pages of this thread! Might I suggest you go back and read them. In short these protests have nothing whatsoever to do with the politics of the group who use the BLM name. The FA, the players, the PFA, Southgate and Kane have all said so. Openly and conclusively.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Apologist. Seeking rational reasons for taking actions which result in the least amount of harm is not to apologise for anything. Criminals deserve to be detected and punished. Those not involved deserve to be protected. Or are those who protest peacefully also criminals in your mind? Has it crossed your mind that there might be any truth in the suggestions that the real problems were caused by right-wing infiltrators seeking to create confrontations?
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Originally posted by AuntyAnne70
Or that they believe in what they are saying! Perhaps!
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Your claims were all dismantled and proved incorrect in the first 75 pages of this thread! Might I suggest you go back and read them. In short these protests have nothing whatsoever to do with the politics of the group who use the BLM name. The FA, the players, the PFA, Southgate and Kane have all said so. Openly and conclusively.
Their actions speak louder than words. It's like throwing a Hitler salute and shouting 'Sieg Heil' but when confronted claiming: "No, I'm not supporting the holocaust / hate / war / mass murder. I'm a big fan of the autobahns and VW Beetle." Edited by tonymikejoe (03 Jan 2021 11.37pm)
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Originally posted by tonymikejoe
Their actions speak louder than words. It's like throwing a Hitler salute and shouting 'Sieg Heil' but when confronted claiming: "No, I'm not supporting the holocaust / hate / war / mass murder. I'm a big fan of the autobahns and VW Beetle." Edited by tonymikejoe (03 Jan 2021 11.37pm) When "taking the knee" predates BLM and why the players are doing it has been explained, at length and in detail specifically to distance it from any kind of political connections, to continue to accuse them is really pretty insulting. Your analogy is garbage. No-one could deny what throwing a Hitler salute AND shouting "Sieg Heil" conveys. It's unambiguous. Unfortunately, the term BLM is ambiguous. Hence the need for clarification.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
When "taking the knee" predates BLM and why the players are doing it has been explained, at length and in detail specifically to distance it from any kind of political connections, to continue to accuse them is really pretty insulting. Your analogy is garbage. No-one could deny what throwing a Hitler salute AND shouting "Sieg Heil" conveys. It's unambiguous. Unfortunately, the term BLM is ambiguous. Hence the need for clarification. Kneeling doesn’t predate BLM. It came three years later.
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Kneeling doesn’t predate BLM. It came three years later. We've already been through this! Taking the knee as a symbol of the "Black Lives Matter" protests against racism and discrimination grew out of George Floyd's death. The symbol was copied from Colin Kaepernick's protest in 2016. That's it's root in this context.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
We've already been through this! Taking the knee as a symbol of the "Black Lives Matter" protests against racism and discrimination grew out of George Floyd's death. The symbol was copied from Colin Kaepernick's protest in 2016. That's it's root in this context. So how does taking a knee predate BLM? That was your claim.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Seeking rational reasons for taking actions which result in the least amount of harm is not to apologise for anything. Criminals deserve to be detected and punished. Those not involved deserve to be protected. Or are those who protest peacefully also criminals in your mind? Has it crossed your mind that there might be any truth in the suggestions that the real problems were caused by right-wing infiltrators seeking to create confrontations? I know the Proud Boys have had Antifa infiltration issues so I have little doubt that it also happens in reverse. However, it would be minor on the scale of these organisations and more about intelligence gathering. But I wouldn't rule out some violence. Still, it wouldn't be against what Antifa/Blm have been pushing anyway. The Democrats didn't name and criticise these organisations before the elections and to see it now is transparent. They are criminal and their apologists are part of the problem.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
He did more than just threaten! He sent federal law enforcement officers to several cities, against the wishes of the Governors. I have no idea what you mean by " a cloaked part of antifa". So far as I am aware antifa has no overarching organisational structure. It is simply an idea with loose groupings of like-minded people. Most Democrats, and indeed many decent Republicans, are going to harbour anti-fascist sentiments. Which is all that lies at the heart of antifa. That some on the fringes use that sentiment as an excuse to promote either violence, criminal activity or extreme left-wing views is very regrettable. That doesn't though mean that everyone involved can be tarnished with the same brush. I would like you to read back your last line 100 times and remember it when writing about other political stuff! Maybe not all of UKIP or the proud boys or brexiteers are racist. Edited by cryrst (04 Jan 2021 6.01am)
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Seeking rational reasons for taking actions which result in the least amount of harm is not to apologise for anything. Criminals deserve to be detected and punished. Those not involved deserve to be protected. Or are those who protest peacefully also criminals in your mind? Has it crossed your mind that there might be any truth in the suggestions that the real problems were caused by right-wing infiltrators seeking to create confrontations? Taxi for Wisbech.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Seeking rational reasons for taking actions which result in the least amount of harm is not to apologise for anything. Criminals deserve to be detected and punished. Those not involved deserve to be protected. Or are those who protest peacefully also criminals in your mind? Has it crossed your mind that there might be any truth in the suggestions that the real problems were caused by right-wing infiltrators seeking to create confrontations? Following your contention that census takers were working to an agenda this looks like one of the conspiracy theories you’re so quick to mock.
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
So how does taking a knee predate BLM? That was your claim. No point Teddy, you’ll never get a straight answer. If he thinks he’s right (which he does all the time) then he will literally make up anything to try and support his argument. He reminds me a little of the Python right room for an argument sketch. He is the contradiction.
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
No point Teddy, you’ll never get a straight answer. If he thinks he’s right (which he does all the time) then he will literally make up anything to try and support his argument. He reminds me a little of the Python right room for an argument sketch. He is the contradiction. Also the Black Knight - ‘tis but a scratch... I’m invincible....alright we’ll call it a draw.
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
So how does taking a knee predate BLM? That was your claim. That there was a movement called BLM which started in 2013 is not what I am describing. BLM as a protest movement gained widespread attention after the death of George Floyd. It was only then that it became known here and in most parts of the world, other than in specific areas of the USA. "Taking the knee" as a symbol of those protests only started with BLM in 2020 but was used by Colin Kaepernick in 2016 as his protest against racism and police brutality. Thus in this context it predates the BLM protests.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That there was a movement called BLM which started in 2013 is not what I am describing. BLM as a protest movement gained widespread attention after the death of George Floyd. It was only then that it became known here and in most parts of the world, other than in specific areas of the USA. "Taking the knee" as a symbol of those protests only started with BLM in 2020 but was used by Colin Kaepernick in 2016 as his protest against racism and police brutality. Thus in this context it predates the BLM protests. Never heard of Ferguson?
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I know the Proud Boys have had Antifa infiltration issues so I have little doubt that it also happens in reverse. However, it would be minor on the scale of these organisations and more about intelligence gathering. But I wouldn't rule out some violence. Still, it wouldn't be against what Antifa/Blm have been pushing anyway. The Democrats didn't name and criticise these organisations before the elections and to see it now is transparent. They are criminal and their apologists are part of the problem. The Democrats behaved responsibly. Anfifa doesn't have an organisation to name as there is no organised structure. The use of the term "BLM" extends much further than the organisation which has hi-jacked it. So to condemn criminality without seeking to falsely label genuine protestors is a thoughtful approach designed to avoid escalation. Trump in contrast just lashed out with as much subtlety as a bull in a china shop. That might have pleased his base but did nothing to actually solve the problem. This is no different to condemning Muslims or pakistanis for group rapes when we ought to be speaking of groups of criminals and allow the police to do their jobs without alienating whole communities. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (04 Jan 2021 11.08am)
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