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Originally posted by steeleye20
'Taking back control' is the great deception perpetuated by Mrs May first as home secretary then as PM. We could easily have taken back control of our borders already under European Parliament and Council Directive 2004/38/EC, which allows EU member states to repatriate EU nationals after three months if they have not found a job or do not have the means to support themselves. The directive is voluntary and the UK decided not to enforce it while Mrs May was PM, other member states do. No amount of parliamentary or media scrutiny has found the reason why there is a complete cover-up.
Are you saying that the majority of EU immigrants do not work or have the means to support themselves? I was given to understand that the NHS would collapse without EU immigrants, along with the entire eradication of any agriculture in the country, and a catastrophic decrease in 'vibrancy' in the UK.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
'Taking back control' is the great deception perpetuated by Mrs May first as home secretary then as PM. We could easily have taken back control of our borders already under European Parliament and Council Directive 2004/38/EC, which allows EU member states to repatriate EU nationals after three months if they have not found a job or do not have the means to support themselves. The directive is voluntary and the UK decided not to enforce it while Mrs May was PM, other member states do. No amount of parliamentary or media scrutiny has found the reason why there is a complete cover-up.
Sigh. I'm sure you just copied and pasted that. Or better still, read it somewhere, then jumbled up the words, then splurged it out. Here's the EU Direktiv, comrade: Article 14(4) To paraphrase: Don't believe me? As the Romanian ambassador to the UK: Still don't believe me? Read this ECJ judgement: This isn't theoretical. This is happening, and it is widescale. Up until very recently, registering to sell the Big Issue was considered self-employment. That meant full access to tax credits and housing benefits (yes, housing benefits, despite selling a magazine that is meant to be distributed by the homeless). This also prevented "repatriation". Now, on to the "Six months". Article 14(2): How do you verify, non-systematically, if an EU citizen is legally allowed to be in the UK? You are not allowed to keep entry/exit records to use to this effect. You basically have to ask them. Oh! You lost your paperwork? No systematic way of recording how long you all have been here? Never mind, we can't arbitrarily "repatriate" you, so you can stay then. Finally, do you understand what a directive is? Or indeed a regulation? The latter are not even debated in UK Parliament - they are law. Immediately. Don't like what they say? Tough 5hit. It's UK law now. Directives are the same end-result, with the facade of allowing the UK the latitude of at least implementing it in law, to make MPs feel like they had any power in legislating yet another power-grab-and-ratchet from the EU. Again, if we don't like what's in the directive, tough 5hit. Bend over and take it. You want to raise the issue to the Council? Go for it. They'll ignore you (55 times out of 55 objections). No thanks.
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
Sigh. I'm sure you just copied and pasted that. Or better still, read it somewhere, then jumbled up the words, then splurged it out. Here's the EU Direktiv, comrade: Article 14(4) To paraphrase: Don't believe me? As the Romanian ambassador to the UK: Still don't believe me? Read this ECJ judgement: This isn't theoretical. This is happening, and it is widescale. Up until very recently, registering to sell the Big Issue was considered self-employment. That meant full access to tax credits and housing benefits (yes, housing benefits, despite selling a magazine that is meant to be distributed by the homeless). This also prevented "repatriation". Now, on to the "Six months". Article 14(2): How do you verify, non-systematically, if an EU citizen is legally allowed to be in the UK? You are not allowed to keep entry/exit records to use to this effect. You basically have to ask them. Oh! You lost your paperwork? No systematic way of recording how long you all have been here? Never mind, we can't arbitrarily "repatriate" you, so you can stay then. Finally, do you understand what a directive is? Or indeed a regulation? The latter are not even debated in UK Parliament - they are law. Immediately. Don't like what they say? Tough 5hit. It's UK law now. Directives are the same end-result, with the facade of allowing the UK the latitude of at least implementing it in law, to make MPs feel like they had any power in legislating yet another power-grab-and-ratchet from the EU. Again, if we don't like what's in the directive, tough 5hit. Bend over and take it. You want to raise the issue to the Council? Go for it. They'll ignore you (55 times out of 55 objections). No thanks. No amount of deflection and complication can hide the fact that Mrs May chose not to enforce the EU directive which gives control of EU migration to those countries that want it. She is found out like any brexiteer any detail has them on the run a rotten PM a rotten government.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
No amount of deflection and complication can hide the fact that Mrs May chose not to enforce the EU directive which gives control of EU migration to those countries that want it. She is found out like any brexiteer any detail has them on the run a rotten PM a rotten government. He kicks your arse all over the dancefloor and you come back with this....basically a repeat of the point he just slaughtered. Like you have your hands over your ears. It's hilarious and enjoyable to read. I'll give you that. Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Jul 2017 7.26pm)
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
He kicks your arse all over the dancefloor and you come back with this....basically a repeat of the point he just slaughtered. Like you have your hands over your ears. It's hilarious and enjoyable to read. I'll give you that. Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Jul 2017 7.26pm) Along with yourself,dave is one of the posters I enjoy reading..
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
He kicks your arse all over the dancefloor and you come back with this....basically a repeat of the point he just slaughtered. Like you have your hands over your ears. It's hilarious and enjoyable to read. I'll give you that. Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Jul 2017 7.26pm) Just ask the voters again
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Originally posted by elgrande
Along with yourself,dave is one of the posters I enjoy reading.. I thank you sir, yup he's excellent as is yourself. Well, until we are all booted off for something 'offensive'.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I thank you sir, yup he's excellent as is yourself. Well, until we are all booted off for something 'offensive'. I'm halfway there...lol,they call it mellow yellow,as Donovan once sang.
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Originally posted by elgrande
I'm halfway there...lol,they call it mellow yellow,as Donovan once sang.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I thank you sir, yup he's excellent as is yourself. Well, until we are all booted off for something 'offensive'. Benders. Oh s***. Thats homophobic. I'll be off then...
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Originally posted by glazedallover
Benders. Oh s***. Thats homophobic. I'll be off then...
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This isn't far off the mark. (or the Euro)
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